Vista 32-bit vs. 64 bit

[Guest]

In answer to your querry the full version of ultimate has both dvd 32 and 64
I should know since I bought it I think that if you ask Microsoft or the pc
manufacturer to supply you the dvd for 64 they would be more than happy to do
it since that is what your pc was made for I also can tell you to try to get
because your pc would operate much better I tried it under 32 and I was verry
dissapointed and since I reinstalled 64 I have had no problems.

 

[huwyngr]

if you ask Microsoft or the pc 
manufacturer to supply you the dvd for 64 they would be more than happy to do 
it

I'm not sure if that is the case with OEM installations by the manufacturer but
there may be something about it on the MS Website or he could ask the
manufacturer.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

As you suggest, the manufacturer is not likely or obligated to do so.
Also since it is OEM, there is no expectation or requirement for
Microsoft to do so.
The best chance is the slim possibility with the OEM.

 

[Guest]

I am about to by a new laptop. It will be equipped with the new Intel Santa
Rosa, 2GB RAM, the new Nvidia 8400 and so on. But then I run into the
following problem:

It doesn't matter which provider I choose (Sony, HP, Acer, etc.), when it
comes down to the selection of a Vista Version, no matter which one (Basic,
Home Premium, even Ultimate, according to HP), they are all 32-bit, which I
find a little bit silly, since the processor and accessories are 64-bit.

I thought that if I bought a Vista, both versions would be anyway available,
the 32-bit and the 64-bit. But then I found out that, apparently, that's not
the case. I surfed the Vista site, and I am still confused. It seems that
maybe the Ultimate version has a DVD available (64-bit media), but I am not
sure if that means that the Ultimate comes with the two Windows versions, or
just that it comes with a media DVD of 64-bit.

So, my question would be:

If I really want to have my new laptop with a 64-bit Vista, do I have to
wait until the computer manufacturers decide to put a 64-bit Vista on it, or
if I buy one of the 32-bit options (Home Premium or Ultimate) then I would be
able to upgrade the OS without having to re-purchase a new Vis

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Well guess what,im lil new w/comptr sys tho i have purchased HP Pavilion dv
9000
sysw/windows vista ultimate,64 bit/unreal,ive got 1-31-07,im ph servie
cingular,jus came out w/air-card/windows vista/ahhh/tho doesnt work w/64 bit
sys only 32 bit,have been w/tech support cingular/HP tech support/all day
surfn net lookn for driver to make my pc exspess air card work
/unreal/nuthn/still sayn cant find modeum driver on my notebook/i paid
$2500.00 only to wait and few mo later still nuthn,so pls ask what you decide
to get alll info be4 purchaseing

 

[Guest]

I am about to by a new laptop. It will be equipped with the new Intel Santa
Rosa, 2GB RAM, the new Nvidia 8400 and so on. But then I run into the
following problem:

It doesn't matter which provider I choose (Sony, HP, Acer, etc.), when it
comes down to the selection of a Vista Version, no matter which one (Basic,
Home Premium, even Ultimate, according to HP), they are all 32-bit, which I
find a little bit silly, since the processor and accessories are 64-bit.

I thought that if I bought a Vista, both versions would be anyway available,
the 32-bit and the 64-bit. But then I found out that, apparently, that's not
the case. I surfed the Vista site, and I am still confused. It seems that
maybe the Ultimate version has a DVD available (64-bit media), but I am not
sure if that means that the Ultimate comes with the two Windows versions, or
just that it comes with a media DVD of 64-bit.

So, my question would be:

If I really want to have my new laptop with a 64-bit Vista, do I have to
wait until the computer manufacturers decide to put a 64-bit Vista on it, or
if I buy one of the 32-bit options (Home Premium or Ultimate) then I would be
able to upgrade the OS without having to re-purchase a new Vista?

 

[Guest]

Where do you go to have the 64-bit disks sent to you?

 

[Rock]

Where do you go to have the 64-bit disks sent to you?

<snip>

There is a coupon in the retail box to order the 64bit CD. It's only
available if you purchase a retail version.

Or see this:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/1033/ordermedia/default.mspx

 

[Rock]

You can get the OEM Home Premium 64 bit

Not from MS. That has to be purchased, AFAIK.

 

[Rock]

Directron has it in Hustion

I don't think we are talking about the same thing. I believe the original
question was if the OP owned the 32bit OEM version of Vista can he order the
64bit version from MS for the shipping fee. And the answer to that is no.

Yes you can buy the 64bit OEM version.

By the way what is Diretron and Hustion?

 

[Rock]

I don't think we are talking about the same thing. I believe the original
question was if the OP owned the 32bit OEM version of Vista can he order
the 64bit version from MS for the shipping fee. And the answer to that is
no.

Yes you can buy the 64bit OEM version.

By the way what is Diretron and Hustion?

Correction, Directron.

 

[Guest]

The problem it seems with vista 32-bit and 64-bit is more of the
compatibility. You buy the 32-bit in the store then you order the 64-bit
after you've bought it. When using 32-bit, there's a low compatibility for
software and programs. And Windows Media Player not having being able to
streamline videos and not being able to uninstall it and upgrade/downgrade to
WMP10 just plain sux. 64-bit is pretty much invisible to the software
developers and so if you haven't already installed and settled in on the
64-bit operating system, it's best that you stick with the 32-bit. 64-bit has
near 0 compatibility to most programs and because of all the safety mechanics
that cannot be turned off, you cannot force install a program meaning that
64 bit will become an even bigger pain than the 32-bit. Although both
versions are being neglected, it seems that 64-bit is getting neglected the
most and ignored. Because the main functions are being blocked, the 64-bit
run about the same speed and performance as the 32-bit, only the 64-bit
limits what you can do a bit more. Tons more work needs to be done to make
vista able to even be called an upgrade at the moment.

 

[Guest]

The Windows Vista Ultimate retail box includes two DVDs: one for 32-bit and
one for 64-bit. All other Vista retail boxes include a 32-bit DVD and a
coupon you can mail in for a 64-bit DVD.
As far as being able to request a 64-bit from your computer manufacturer,
good luck. Unless they explicitly offer 64-bit as a preconfigured option,
they will most likely not support it because market demand is not strong
enough (yet) to warrant driver development. In addition, if you attempt to
install it yourself you will probably void your warranty. If you insist on
running 64-bit, research the manufacturers of your computer's individual
components to see if they have 64-bit drivers available. 64-bit Vista is
tricky to install because it requires signed drivers that are designed
specifically for Vista 64-bit. Otherwise, it will simply reject the driver.
I'm running a custom-built tower with Vista Ultimate 64-bit, and it was a
pain to find all the components with signed Vista 64-bit drivers. I think it
was worth it, though. The system performs (almost) flawlessly, and in
addition to the speed boost (2x in certain instances), I get peace of mind
from having Address Space Layout Randomizer, Data Execution Protection, and
PatchGuard, which are three great security features not available on Vista
32-bit or any other OS.

 

[Guest]

WHY DO YOU NEED A CD?, IF YOU ARE wanting to INSTALL 64 bit...
I THINK YOU SHOULD not need 64 if you are thAT behind on a weak sopunding
system if VIDEO editing on CD is for u then damn u r a stupid ass at
understanding the coding and the WHY THEY are USED and for WHAT !!!!!

 

[Guest]

If I really want to have my new laptop with a 64-bit Vista, do I have to
wait until the computer manufacturers decide to put a 64-bit Vista on it, or
if I buy one of the 32-bit options (Home Premium or Ultimate) then I would be
able to upgrade the OS without having to re-purchase a new Vista?

Me? I'd jump on the 64-bit bandwagon A.S.A.P.

Seriously, if you can find all the drivers for your laptop in the 64-bit
version, there is almost little reason not to go right away. Keep in mind a
few things, first there is no 16-bit support at all. So, if you are needing
legacy software support, you may be out of luck. Unless you wouldn't mind
running a virtual machine (which is what I do.) Next, driver support remains
a little dicey, but is improving. Keep up to date with your drivers and your
OEM for your system.

You'll need more memory than 2 gigabyte too. 4 Gig is a starter for 64-bit
computing. Kind of like 256K was the starting point for XP, but ran so much
better with more. 4 Gig is really the best place for using 64-bit, and less
will give a worse experience. Of course more is better, but very few laptops
and even desktop support more than 4 gig right now. Even then you may run
into the BIOS issue of not seeing all 4 gig (anyone remember the 640K issue
of years past?...) BIOS makers will eventually get that worked out, and it
is already worked out on some systems, but not all. My Dell M1710 sees only
3.3 gig of the 4 I have installed, for instance. But my desktop sees all 4
gig, but only after a BIOS update.

Changing to 64-bit seems a little like pulling teeth for some, but it will
well be worth it in the long run. The move to 32-bit was very similar,
though most don't remember it, as it was done mainly in the DOS relm, and not
Windows. It was the gaming comunity that pushed the 32-bit envelope back
then. Today the gaming guys don't seem too interesteed in 64-bit. But,
thankfully Microsoft is pushing it by requiring any game that carries the
"made for Windows" logo to be fully able to run in the 64-bit Windows, wether
then game is 32-bit or 64-bit.

My experience with 64-bit so far is quite good. I feel my machines run much
more responsive and smoother. Not quicker, but smoother. Too many folks are
looking to 64-bit for speed, and that's not always the case. But, 64-bits
does open up the floor a bit for computing power to allow more things to
occur in a timely manner, giving your machine a breath of fresh air, if that
makes any sense. We won't see much speed difference until the compilers for
64-bit get better and programmers become more at ease in programming in
64-bit memory spaces.

Go 64-bit! If you've got all the right hardware and drivers, you won't
regret it.

 

[Rock]

WHY DO YOU NEED A CD?, IF YOU ARE wanting to INSTALL 64 bit...
I THINK YOU SHOULD not need 64 if you are thAT behind on a weak sopunding
system if VIDEO editing on CD is for u then damn u r a stupid ass at
understanding the coding and the WHY THEY are USED and for WHAT !!!!!

First, who are you replying too? I'm not the one with the question.
Second, what exactly were you trying to say? By the way you might want to
fix the Caps Lock key. Seems to get stuck.

 

[Guest]

What do you think the 64 bit version will do for you that the 32 bit version
won't? Unless you have 4 GB or ram or more, nothing!

 

[Guest]

Interesting Question...

 

[Guest]

test

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

What do you think the 64 bit version will do for you that the 32 bit version
won't? Unless you have 4 GB or ram or more, nothing!

I think that's an oversimplified and very misleading statement.

True, there are very few applications available today that will take
advantage of 64-bit Windows, but he may have, or plan to get, one
soon. And Windows itself will take advantage of it, and that should
often mean at least a small improvement in performance. More important
than Windows using the 64-bits, even if there aren't many applications
today that do, there will be more and more of these coming out in the
days to come, and if he gets such applications he should see more and
more improvements in performance.

And on the other side of the coin, regarding the statement "Unless you
have 4 GB or ram or more, nothing!" even if he has more than 4GB, if
he doesn't run applications that need that much RAM, it won't benefit
him at all.

I'm not arguing for or against using 64-bit Windows (although I have
64-bit hardware, I'm not running it myself), but I wanted to point out
that the situation is nowhere near as simple as you make it out to be.