Urgent help choosing....

[george]

a color laser printer please!
Hello and happy 2006
I need a laser color to print wine labels but i don't know which one choose.
It is very important to print without problems on normal inkjet/laser
labels (A4) with good quality.
So right now i am between these printers and need your advice!

1. Oki c3200n
2. Epson aculaser c1100
3. Konika-Minolta 2430dl (too expensive consumables)

Any suggestion?
What about refilling the toner carts?

Thank you very very much!

 

[Don Phillipson]

I need a laser color to print wine labels but i don't know which one choose.
It is very important to print without problems on normal inkjet/laser
labels (A4) with good quality.

There are other special requirements for wine labels.
Their paper must retain the adhesive in a wide range
of temperature conditions, must retain inks for many
years whether in sun or shade, must allow dirt or damp
to be cleaned off without the image running, etc., must
allow application to the bottle by machine, etc.

You may find your paper and ink requirements
determine the sort of printer you should use.

 

[measekite]

Read the reviews at www.pcmag.com and www.pcworld.com. Not only
consider the rankings that may be somewhat flawed because they consider
price but read the various negatives and positives and rank them yourself.

a color laser printer please!
Hello and happy 2006
I need a laser color to print wine labels but i don't know which one
choose.
It is very important to print without problems on normal inkjet/laser
labels (A4) with good quality.
So right now i am between these printers and need your advice!

1. Oki c3200n
2. Epson aculaser c1100
3. Konika-Minolta 2430dl (too expensive consumables)

Any suggestion?
What about refilling the toner carts?

That should not be a consideration. Choose the best when considering
what is important to you.

 

[zakezuke]

I need a laser color to print wine labels but i don't know which one choose.

It's hard to reccomend something without knowing what your application
is, yes it's wine but is this for your personal use or trade.

Thought about ordering labels?
http://www.stoneycreekwinepress.com...tegoryID=CD3F7385-9EF0-4E02-9097-64886C38BEAC
http://www.4th-vine.com/us/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=207
http://www.4th-vine.com/us/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5&products_id=84

While I've not labled wine I have had limited success labeling meed
using your usual run of the mill inkjet sticky labels. My main
application with them was making jewel case stickers as there is a quad
jewel with no room for an insert. The last batch I bought was
hammermill outdoor labels and with spar urethane though slightly
blueish/yellowish seem to do an adquate job protecting the print... but
not as easy to remove as the usual gummed labels. Also the price on
sticky labels is highish, as high as a buck/page or 75cent in higher
quanities.

 

[Fenrir Enterprises]

a color laser printer please!
Hello and happy 2006
I need a laser color to print wine labels but i don't know which one choose.
It is very important to print without problems on normal inkjet/laser
labels (A4) with good quality.
So right now i am between these printers and need your advice!

1. Oki c3200n
2. Epson aculaser c1100
3. Konika-Minolta 2430dl (too expensive consumables)

Any suggestion?
What about refilling the toner carts?

Thank you very very much!

Not very familiar with laser printers, but for wine labels, I would
suggest using 'waterproof' labels. Avery sells them in both half-page
sizes (which you could either use full size, or cut in half) and 1 x 2
5/8" sizes (make your own address labels). I've used them for bumper
stickers with a color laser photocopier and they're still going strong
after two months of South Florida weather. www.onlinelabels.com also
sells 'weatherproof' labels in a much wider variety of sizes, I
haven't tried any of them yet but I did recently order a sample pack
(you get to pick what you want), so you may want to check them out.

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http://www.FenrirOnline.com

Computer services, custom metal etching,
arts, crafts, and much more.

 

[Davy]

Have a look at -
http://www.refilltoner.com/index.htm it may give you some clue as t
what models are easily refillable along with showing you how to d
it

Got to be careful with sticky labels, they need to be the one
suitable for laser use or you may end up with the labels jammed up o
the rollors

Dav

 

[Tony]

a color laser printer please!
Hello and happy 2006
I need a laser color to print wine labels but i don't know which one choose.
It is very important to print without problems on normal inkjet/laser
labels (A4) with good quality.
So right now i am between these printers and need your advice!

1. Oki c3200n
2. Epson aculaser c1100
3. Konika-Minolta 2430dl (too expensive consumables)

Any suggestion?
What about refilling the toner carts?

Thank you very very much!

Someone else pointed out that your choice of label stock may determine the
printer you choose. I think that is correct, the stock needs to be pretty
resistive to the elements.
The other point I would make is there is an old adage in the industry.
"There are two kinds of customers who print labels, the first is those who have
had serious paper jams, the second is those that will have serious paper jams",
not quite fair but it makes the point well. So to avoid paper jams with labels
you should consider a printer with the flattest possible paper path to avoid
paper going around corners, a flat bed printer with a rear exit tray like the
OKI series fits the bill, the other printers you mention may also suit but I
have not checked. Label jams can be very expensive, if the label wraps around
the fuser of a laser printer you can be into hundreds of dollars to fix it.
Also, only labels designed for lasers should be used, this varies from printer
to printer and depends on the temperature of the fuser but as a general rule
the stock must survive temperatures of at least 375 degrees F. Well worth lots
of research.
Tony

 

[Prime]

Read the reviews at www.pcmag.com and www.pcworld.com. Not only
consider the rankings that may be somewhat flawed because they
consider price but read the various negatives and positives and rank
them yourself.

In other words,

Read the reviews
Assume the review rankings are flawed
Read the positives and negatives in the flawed reviews
Rank the positives and negatives in the flawed reviews
Use these flawed reviews along with your rankings from them to come up with
a good conclusion!

I sense too much brown matter present in meankite's logic.

 

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Someone else pointed out that your choice of label stock may determine
the printer you choose. I think that is correct, the stock needs to be
pretty resistive to the elements.
The other point I would make is there is an old adage in the industry.
"There are two kinds of customers who print labels, the first is those
who have had serious paper jams, the second is those that will have
serious paper jams",
not quite fair but it makes the point well. So to avoid paper jams with
labels you should consider a printer with the flattest possible paper
path to avoid paper going around corners, a flat bed printer with a
rear exit tray like the OKI series fits the bill, the other printers
you mention may also suit but I have not checked. Label jams can be
very expensive, if the label wraps around the fuser of a laser printer
you can be into hundreds of dollars to fix it. Also, only labels
designed for lasers should be used, this varies from printer to printer
and depends on the temperature of the fuser but as a general rule the
stock must survive temperatures of at least 375 degrees F. Well worth
lots of research.
Tony

thanks tony!I think that the first choice is OKI with 2 input and
output for paper -the second one is completely flat without curling the
paper.Also is one pass printer not like epson.
I called both Epson and OKI yesterday and will send me some print
samples.Also told me (epson) that the c1100isn't the best choice for
labels because paper could jam.
Oki told me that there is no problem printing on labels!
Now the only factor is printing quality and epson here goes strong!

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?B?rmdpb3Jnb3Ou?=]

Not very familiar with laser printers, but for wine labels, I would
suggest using 'waterproof' labels. Avery sells them in both half-page
sizes (which you could either use full size, or cut in half) and 1 x 2
5/8" sizes (make your own address labels). I've used them for bumper
stickers with a color laser photocopier and they're still going strong
after two months of South Florida weather. www.onlinelabels.com also
sells 'weatherproof' labels in a much wider variety of sizes, I
haven't tried any of them yet but I did recently order a sample pack
(you get to pick what you want), so you may want to check them out.

Excellent!I'll take a look in the site
Thanks

 

[measekite]

measekite <[email protected]> posted the exciting message





In other words,

Read the reviews
Assume the review rankings are flawed

TO A CERTAIN EXTENT

Read the positives and negatives in the flawed reviews
Rank the positives and negatives in the flawed reviews
Use these flawed reviews along with your rankings from them to come up with
a good conclusion!

I sense too much brown matter present in meankite's logic.

THAT IS ON YOUR TONGUE

 

[me]

Not very familiar with laser printers, but for wine labels, I would
suggest using 'waterproof' labels. Avery sells them in both half-page
sizes (which you could either use full size, or cut in half) and 1 x 2
5/8" sizes (make your own address labels). I've used them for bumper
stickers with a color laser photocopier and they're still going strong
after two months of South Florida weather.

What machine do you have? Mine is rather temperamental when it comes to
all that much in the way of fancy paper.

 

[me]

Oki told me that there is no problem printing on labels!
Now the only factor is printing quality and epson here goes strong!

The low end epsons seem to share their print engine with the minoltas,
although I'm not sure off hand which of the two companies actually makes
the engines.

 

[Fenrir Enterprises]

What machine do you have? Mine is rather temperamental when it comes to
all that much in the way of fancy paper.

I don't have a laser printer myself, I use the Xerox DocuColor 12 that
all Staples in the area seem to have (five stores all have the exact
same copiers). They tend to freak out at first (especially if I try to
use laser photo paper) because most people try to run inkjet photo
paper through the machine, resulting in service calls. I did, however,
have an issue with it and the Avery Waterproof Address labels. The
standard and clear labels worked fine, but once in awhile the
waterproof ones will jam.


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http://www.FenrirOnline.com

Computer services, custom metal etching,
arts, crafts, and much more.

 

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The low end epsons seem to share their print engine with the minoltas,
although I'm not sure off hand which of the two companies actually
makes the engines.

I think (90%) that i'll choose the c1100n.My only concern is paper jam
when using labels.
The way that paper takes from input to output epsons tray is an S type
and i think that is the same as Oki.The difference is that oki has also
an input-output tray completey straight inorder to use with banners
etc.
Does anybody has this epson?Any problems with paper or jamming?Any
other problems?

Please every opinion is important for me.
Thanks again !!!

 

[zakezuke]

I think (90%) that i'll choose the c1100n.My only concern is paper jam

when using labels.

I'd also check out some the phasers... printers that use wax rather
than toner. I actually don't know enough about the inner workings to
be sure but they could be more tolerant to media types than lasers
which do require paper to be heated to a certain temp.

Though... on laser... I seem to remember someone using printed hard
copy followed by reprinting with basicly a gold leaf sheet. The heat
from the fuser would cause the toner to stick to the gold sheat and the
result was instent golden letters, though the quality was only semi
decent. But I have no idea what it owuld be called. The technique
only requires a fuser, not the whole laser... just simply put the only
paper heater people tend to have is a laser printer.

 

[me]

I don't have a laser printer myself, I use the Xerox DocuColor 12 that
all Staples in the area seem to have (five stores all have the exact
same copiers). They tend to freak out at first (especially if I try to
use laser photo paper) because most people try to run inkjet photo
paper through the machine, resulting in service calls. I did, however,
have an issue with it and the Avery Waterproof Address labels. The
standard and clear labels worked fine, but once in awhile the
waterproof ones will jam.

I saw you said colour laser copier, and wondered if it was a Canon one,
since mine isn't too keen on glossy laser paper, but then it is a
seven(?) year old second hand machine.