UPS service not configured correctly?

[westom1]

Another lie, APC does post their protection numbers, wtom always runs
from that fact.

If manufacturer specification numbers existed, you would have posted
them 12 newsgroup discussions ago. How many years have you refused to
provide spec numbers? Leythos need not answer. The question reminds
others to ignore he who posted insults - and still does not post
technical spec numbers.

That plug-in UPS provides power during blackouts and extreme
brownouts - so that data can be saved. Electric output during battery
backup mode can be so 'dirty' as to be harmful to power strip
protectors and small electric motors. But protection in computers is
so robust as to make 'dirty' UPS electricity irrelevant.

 

[Leythos]

If manufacturer specification numbers existed, you would have posted
them 12 newsgroup discussions ago. How many years have you refused to
provide spec numbers? Leythos need not answer. The question reminds
others to ignore he who posted insults - and still does not post
technical spec numbers.

Oh, Wtom, you lie again. I've posted the information from the APC Site
before and you left the thread, I've given you and everyone enough
information in this thread to go to APC's site and select ANY UPS they
want to look at and see the numbers for themselves - which contradict
everything you've said in this thread.

Time and time again you give people BS answers and lead them down the
longer, less productive, and often wrong path.

You are contradicted by every expert in the field and you keep returning
like herpes.

That plug-in UPS provides power during blackouts and extreme
brownouts - so that data can be saved. Electric output during battery
backup mode can be so 'dirty' as to be harmful to power strip
protectors and small electric motors. But protection in computers is
so robust as to make 'dirty' UPS electricity irrelevant.

And yet many places use UPS devices to KEEP COMPUTERS/NETWORKS running
during power outages, during low/high voltage conditions, for hours at a
time, and the power is more than clean enough to allow the computers run
without any damage.

You are the only person I know that would connect a Surge Strip to the
output of a UPS, you are the ONLY person advocating that it's being
done, the rest of us read the users manual and would never do it.

So, again, you've tossed out lies and deception, you've stated false
information, and most quality UPS vendor sites PROVE YOU WRONG AGAIN.

 

[bud--]

w forgets to mention that Martzloff said in the same 1994 document:
"Mitigation of the threat can take many forms. One solution.
illustrated in this paper, is the insertion of a properly designed
[multiport plug-in surge suppressor]."

Where is surge energy dissipated? Effective
protection means surge energy is dissipated harmlessly in earth. Bud
says his plug-in protector with no earthing makes that energy
disappear.

If the village idiot could read he would have found much of the answer
in a previous post. Arc-over in the service panel dumps most of the
surge energy to earth.

w has a religious belief (immune from challenge) that surge
protection must directly use earthing. Thus in his view plug-in
suppressors (which are not well earthed) can not possibly work. As I
have previously pointed out, the IEEE guide explains plug-in
suppressors work by CLAMPING (limiting) the voltage on all wires
(signal and power) to the common ground at the suppressor. The guide
explains earthing occurs elsewhere. (Read the guide starting pdf page
40).

Bud will post incessantly.

w will post incessantly.
His religious belief in earthing has been challenged and cracks are
developing in his universe.

If Bud was honest,
he would have provided plug-in protector specs in every post. He
cannot.

If w were intelligent he would have seen the specs I have posted
numerous times in other threads. But w can’t see anything that
conflicts with his religious belief in earthing.

Bud is paid
to promote power strip protectors.

To quote w "It is an old political trick. When facts cannot be
challenged technically, then attack the messenger." My only
association with surge protectors is I have some.

But with no technical arguments, w has to discredit those that
oppose him.

Bud is a troll who follows me everywhere posting insults and half
truths

My half truths come from the IEEE and NIST.

Being evangelical in his belief in earthing, w trolls google-groups
for "surge" to paste in his religious tract to convert the heathens.
I got tired after seeing his drivel at least 5 times in one year on 2
newsgroups I watch. One of them is alt.engineering.electrical where w
got no support. I don’t think w has ever received support on any
technical newsgroup.


Still missing, of course, any source that agrees with w that plug-in
suppressors do NOT work.

Still missing, of course, answers to simple questions:
- Why do the only 2 examples of protection in the IEEE guide use plug-
in suppressors?
- Why does the NIST guide says plug-in suppressors are "the easiest
solution"?
- Why does the NIST guide say "One effective solution is to have the
consumer install" a multiport plug-in suppressor?
- Why did Martzloff say in his paper "One solution. illustrated in
this paper, is the insertion of a properly designed [multiport plug-in
surge suppressor]"?

For real science read the IEEE and NIST guides. Both say plug-in
suppressors are effective. So are UPSs with the equivalent circuits.