Upgrading to Win7 removes Windows Mail

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Gary VanderMolen

Those of you who will be trying out the just released beta
of Windows 7: be aware that if you upgrade over Vista, it
removes Windows Mail. If you want to do the Win7 upgrade,
I suggest you install Windows Live Mail first. That way it
keeps all your accounts, settings and emails.
 
S

Steve Cochran

I'm sure the heads up is appreciated by those who might get blind sided by
it.

steve
 
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peggy

I certainly appreciate your posting of this as well.
Is this stripping of WM a permanent thing in Windows 7 or is it just because
it's a beta?
Thank you.
 
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Gary VanderMolen

It's permanent.
It also strips Windows Photo Gallery and Windows Movie
Maker, but you can download the newer Live versions of
those programs also.
 
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Steve Cochran

Its permanent. MS has decided to dumb down Windows.

In Windows 8 one will have to get Windows Live Calculator and Windows Live
Notepad. And in Windows 9 one will have to get Windows Live Windows.

steve
 
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Gary VanderMolen

Hyperbole aside, Windows 7 is notably snappier than Vista.
Being able to choose one's own apps instead of incurring
the overhead of unwanted included apps is a step in the right
direction, in my opinion.
 
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Steve Cochran

Removing the mail client doesn't unbloat the OS. That's like removing a
penny from MS's coffers and now saying MS is poor.

steve
 
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Steve Cochran

So you favor removing Calculator, Paint, Notepad, Explorer as their removal
will make the OS "snappier", whatever that means?
 
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Gary VanderMolen

If those apps could be easily downloaded from one site,
like the download.live.com site, then yes. That way, the user
is assured of getting the latest version.
Not sure if you mean Windows Explorer or Internet Explorer,
but both of those are clearly needed in even a baseline system.
The apps you mentioned are fairly benign, and do not use
resources other than hard drive space while inactive. But others,
like Windows Media Player, have an always running background
process.
 
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Steve Cochran

Removing WinMail from Windows did NOT make it "snappier". It just makes it
easier for MS, as they don't have to support OE / WinMail any longer, not
that they ever did.

They did it correctly with Server 2008, where one has the option to install
WinMail (and other Desktop items) or not under Add / Remove programs.

Windows 7 is just Lazy Windows -- much easier to support for MS, since its
dumbed down.

steve
 
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Gary VanderMolen

I didn't say that removing WinMail made Win7 snappier. I'm sure
there are many other reasons why it is snappier, but basically it
involves streamlining the code and not running a bunch of
unnecessary processes. Microsoft still supports Windows Live Mail
and will continue to support it for he foreseeable future.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


Steve Cochran said:
Removing WinMail from Windows did NOT make it "snappier". It just makes it easier for MS, as they don't have to support OE /
WinMail any longer, not that they ever did.

They did it correctly with Server 2008, where one has the option to install WinMail (and other Desktop items) or not under Add /
Remove programs.

Windows 7 is just Lazy Windows -- much easier to support for MS, since its dumbed down.

steve
Click to expand...
 
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Guest

Hi Steve
I have played around in Windows 7, And found that Windows Mail is there but it is hidden.
If you try to run it, will it not show up, it only run hidden.
But if you use a tool to make it visible it popup, or if you change your screen resolution it also popup.
I doesn't like WLM at all, but I use it for testing.
Version 2900 is one of the worst WLM versions I have tried, I reinstalled 2800 after 10 minutes.
Interesting to read that I can find WM in Windows 2008, I will have to look at that for sure.

Cato

"Steve Cochran" <[email protected]> skrev i nyhetsmeldingen: (e-mail address removed) ...
So you favor removing Calculator, Paint, Notepad, Explorer as their removal
will make the OS "snappier", whatever that means?
 
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Gary VanderMolen

Version 2900? The current version is 14.0.8050.1202.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


Hi Steve
I have played around in Windows 7, And found that Windows Mail is there but it is hidden.
If you try to run it, will it not show up, it only run hidden.
But if you use a tool to make it visible it popup, or if you change your screen resolution it also popup.
I doesn't like WLM at all, but I use it for testing.
Version 2900 is one of the worst WLM versions I have tried, I reinstalled 2800 after 10 minutes.
Interesting to read that I can find WM in Windows 2008, I will have to look at that for sure.

Cato

"Steve Cochran" <[email protected]> skrev i nyhetsmeldingen: (e-mail address removed) ...
So you favor removing Calculator, Paint, Notepad, Explorer as their removal
will make the OS "snappier", whatever that means?
 
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Tom Koch

Steve Cochran said:
Removing WinMail from Windows did NOT make it "snappier". It just makes
it easier for MS, as they don't have to support OE / WinMail any longer,
not that they ever did.
Click to expand...

Let me guess! Is it because WinMail has no revenue model? <eg>
 
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Guest

Yes, I know that 2900 is build 14-------, and that 2800 is build 12.-----

Cato


"Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> skrev i nyhetsmeldingen: (e-mail address removed) ...
Version 2900? The current version is 14.0.8050.1202.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


Hi Steve
I have played around in Windows 7, And found that Windows Mail is there but it is hidden.
If you try to run it, will it not show up, it only run hidden.
But if you use a tool to make it visible it popup, or if you change your screen resolution it also popup.
I doesn't like WLM at all, but I use it for testing.
Version 2900 is one of the worst WLM versions I have tried, I reinstalled 2800 after 10 minutes.
Interesting to read that I can find WM in Windows 2008, I will have to look at that for sure.

Cato

"Steve Cochran" <[email protected]> skrev i nyhetsmeldingen: (e-mail address removed) ...
So you favor removing Calculator, Paint, Notepad, Explorer as their removal
will make the OS "snappier", whatever that means?
 
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Guest

If you change your settings for hidden system files, will you see WinMail.exe in the Windows Mail folder.

Cato


"Night Hawk" <[email protected]> skrev i nyhetsmeldingen: (e-mail address removed) ...

It was probably left in intentionally in case of a volume of complaints
where you would be able to download a patch once in retail/oem form to
then be able to use it. It's being excluded from the main beta due to
promotion of Live Mail as well as seeing that as an addon option at some
later date.

Plus some elements may see application in Live Mail like any option
later to import from previous accounts on older versions of Windows. On
7 you still see the Windows Mail folder in plain view in the Programs
directory. Any further thoughts on that?
 
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Gary VanderMolen

Tom Koch said:
Let me guess! Is it because WinMail has no revenue model? <eg>
Click to expand...

I don't see your point. I haven't seen a revenue model in Windows
Live Mail, and I've been using for some 23 months already.
Incidentally, MS is opening opening Hotmail to free POP access.
Quite a few countries already have it, and the US will be added
next month. There goes that revenue model also...
 

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