UPGRADE OR FULL VERSION

[Winux P]

That's OK Donald, because Microsoft pays more for over the phone activation
than the user. They (MS) can ask all the questions they want to it's
basically 'yes' to only two questions they need to know if that. 1. Yes,
it's the only computer I'm installing this on and, 2. Yes, I'm using the
hardware component with WinXP for OEM versions.

While OEM's << Full Retail versions in price, who can see the justification
in paying more for the same product. I think it's quite funny how MS acts
suspiciously when activating over the phone, it's their problem and while
you have a legit copy they have to activate for you general OEM or full
retail versions.

Winux P


| In article <#[email protected]>,
| (e-mail address removed) says...
| > However, no support will be given directly by Microsoft.
| >
| >
| > | > >
| > >
| > >>I have XP Pro Version 5.1 running but I do not have the original XP
disk.
| > >>I
| > >> tried to install the various upgrades via download as well as with a
| > >> service
| > >> pack 2 disc. I get an error message that I have an unregistered copy
of
| > >> XP &
| > >> therefore can't do the upgrades. Can I purchase & install XP PRO as
an
| > >> upgrade or do I have to buy the full program? Also, what if I want
to
| > >> but
| > >> a lower version of Windows rather than XP Pro.
| > >
| > > Buy an OEM. They're cheaper.
| > > --
| > > Alias
| > >
| > > Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email
me.
| > > Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.
| > >
| >
| >
| >
| Not only won't Microsoft support OEM copies of the OS, they have (as of
| today) effectively disabled the ability to activate your OEM (whether it
| is produced by a major system builder or purchased as a "FULL OEM") via
| the Internet. This wil undoubtedly lead to millions of people having to
| call over the phone to activate their OS, with the resulting feeling of
| being some kind of criminal as they are forced to try to prove that they
| have a legitimate copy of XP.
|
| From my way of thinking, Microsoft has disavowed its EULA with its OEM
| customers, effectively snatching away the hard-earned money its
| customers have paid for their OS.
|
| If I am wrong about this, I would really appreciate being set right,
| since I really want to be able to continue activating my OS via the
| Internet, and don't want to have to purchase it again. I live on a very
| limited budget, and really don't have the money to put into Mr. Gates'
| pocket again
| --
| Donald L McDaniel
| Post all replies to the original
| thread so that it may remain intact.
| ====================================================

 

[kurttrail]

That article essentially agrees with what I said.

"Those who have installed that OEM on a different computer using a
generic
OEM CD with the Product Key on the side of the computer may have a
problem,
but they should not be installing the OEM on that different computer."

"Intended to curtail the stealing and selling of certificates of
authenticity, the new security measure will start at the end of this
month. At first, it will be limited to the Windows XP software
preinstalled on systems shipped by the top 20 PC sellers."

So at least, for the time being, generic OEM users should not have any
problem. Only those who have systems that were shipped by the top 20 PC
sellers.

And even then, MS is only preventing internet activation. Phone
Activation will still be done.

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[Alias]

However, no support will be given directly by Microsoft.

So what?

Alias

 

[Alias]

Not only won't Microsoft support OEM copies of the OS, they have (as of
today) effectively disabled the ability to activate your OEM (whether it
is produced by a major system builder or purchased as a "FULL OEM") via
the Internet. This wil undoubtedly lead to millions of people having to
call over the phone to activate their OS, with the resulting feeling of
being some kind of criminal as they are forced to try to prove that they
have a legitimate copy of XP.

I've activated mine online twice, both without a hitch. I bought the OEM and
installed it myself. It is not a bastardized version from HP or Emachines.

From my way of thinking, Microsoft has disavowed its EULA with its OEM
customers, effectively snatching away the hard-earned money its
customers have paid for their OS.

If I am wrong about this, I would really appreciate being set right,
since I really want to be able to continue activating my OS via the
Internet, and don't want to have to purchase it again. I live on a very
limited budget, and really don't have the money to put into Mr. Gates'
pocket again

No need to worry if you buy an OEM that hasn't been fooled with.

Alias

 

[Alias]

And just as illegal as Devils Own.

Got news for you; it's not illegal in the country where I live.

OEM copies are not legal without hardware being purchased with it.
"Original Equipment Manufacturer".

Your best just buying a new copy out right.

HTH

Not in Spain where I live. Where I live, you would be very hard pressed to
find a computer store that sells a retail version. If you can read Spanish,
I can give you links to the major computer stores here and neither of them
sell retail versions and will sell you a generic XP OEM without any
hardware.

Please do your research before disseminating misinformation.

Thank you.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

Please do your research before disseminating misinformation.

Since neither post stated what country you are stating the OEM information
from you're both as guilty of that as each other.

In the USA he's right, in Spain you're right - do you know what country
the OP was in?

 

[Bruce Chambers]

I have XP Pro Version 5.1 running but I do not have the original XP disk. I
tried to install the various upgrades via download as well as with a service
pack 2 disc. I get an error message that I have an unregistered copy of XP &
therefore can't do the upgrades. Can I purchase & install XP PRO as an
upgrade or do I have to buy the full program? Also, what if I want to but
a lower version of Windows rather than XP Pro.

If you are trying to install a WinXP Service Pack and getting the
following:

The Product Key Used to Install Windows Is Invalid
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q326904

You need to purchase and use a _legitimate_ full retail copy of
WinXP Pro to perform a repair (a.k.a. in-place upgrade) installation,
using the new CD and Product Key.

How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/directory/article.asp?ID=KB;EN-US;Q315341


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[kurttrail]

Since neither post stated what country you are stating the OEM
information from you're both as guilty of that as each other.

In the USA he's right, in Spain you're right - do you know what
country the OP was in?

He is wrong in the US too, Lamethos. It is not illegal to use OEM
software without the hardware that is sold with. And while it may be
against MS's reseller's terms to sell OEM software without a piece of
hardware, there is NO LAW that requires the use of that hardware with
the copy of the software by the End User.

MS's OEM EULA, from SP1 onward, doesn't mention that the hardware that
is sold with OEM XP must be used to complete the license, as the OEM
EULA states, "The SOFTWARE is licensed with the COMPUTER as a single
integrated product and may only be used with the COMPUTER."

So it is not illegal by the present laws and legal precedents, and it is
not even a valid violation claim of MS's present Win XP OEM EULA.

So go f*#k yourselves with this illegal sh*t! You can claim it, but all
it shows is that you are full of sh*t, as usual!

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[Leythos]

So it is not illegal by the present laws and legal precedents, and it is
not even a valid violation claim of MS's present Win XP OEM EULA.

You know full well what the discussion was about - nice trolling.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Most of the major OEM are preactivated so activation of any kind will not be
necessary.
It will most likely only affect those attempting to install the OEM on a
different computer or different computer.

All your quoting is not stating anything.
Do you have a point or is your point to merely have the last post which in
the past you have made clear is the priority to you?

 

[kurttrail]

message > "Those who have installed that OEM on a different computer
using a
Most of the major OEM are preactivated so activation of any kind will
not be necessary.
It will most likely only affect those attempting to install the OEM
on a different computer or different computer.

All your quoting is not stating anything.
Do you have a point or is your point to merely have the last post
which in the past you have made clear is the priority to you?

Figure it out, yourself.

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[kurttrail]

You know full well what the discussion was about - nice trolling.

Really Lamethos?

Alias told the OP to buy OEM over the full version or the upgrade of XP,
because they are cheaper.

Then Yves bullsh*tted, "And just as illegal as Devils Own. OEM copies
are not legal without hardware being purchased with it. 'Original
Equipment Manufacturer'. Your best just buying a new copy out right."

Then Alias replied to Yves that he is wrong at least as far as Spain
goes.

Then you replied that, "In the USA he's right, in Spain you're right -
do you know what country
the OP was in?"

And I replied that you are both you and Yves are full of sh*t, and
logically explained why it is not illegal in the US, nor is it even a
violation of MS's OEM EULA.

Then you replied to me by cutting out the conversation and most of my
post, and tried to bullsh*t that I was just trolling, and not following
the conversation.

You are just a fool that ain't proud enough to back up your opinion
rationally, so you tried to divert from that by calling me a troll.
Unfortunately for you, I am man enough to back up my words, and am proud
enough to have my words archived for all time.

You should have just stayed quiet, and not replied at all, because every
time you reply to me you just look more foolish and irrational.

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[Leythos]

Really Lamethos?

Alias told the OP to buy OEM over the full version or the upgrade of XP,
because they are cheaper.

Then Yves bullsh*tted, "And just as illegal as Devils Own. OEM copies
are not legal without hardware being purchased with it. 'Original
Equipment Manufacturer'. Your best just buying a new copy out right."

Had Alias stated that he was speaking for Spainish OEM's in the start it
would never have got to Yves's comments.

Then Alias replied to Yves that he is wrong at least as far as Spain
goes.

Again, Alias replied without stating (the first time) that he was talking
about the Spanish version of the OEM rules and since he didn't know where
the OP was it was just a much BS/FUD as everything you post.

Then you replied that, "In the USA he's right, in Spain you're right -
do you know what country
the OP was in?"

And I replied that you are both you and Yves are full of sh*t, and
logically explained why it is not illegal in the US, nor is it even a
violation of MS's OEM EULA.

Illegal is open for discussion at several levels, I don't approve of your
definition, but it's is against the licensing agreement to purchase OEM
software of MS's in the USA without purchasing some hardware item at the
same time.

Then you replied to me by cutting out the conversation and most of my
post, and tried to bullsh*t that I was just trolling, and not following
the conversation.

I like to cut out what I consider BS or not relevant - in the case of your
posts, that just happens to be most of what you spew forth.

You are just a fool that ain't proud enough to back up your opinion
rationally, so you tried to divert from that by calling me a troll.
Unfortunately for you, I am man enough to back up my words, and am proud
enough to have my words archived for all time.

You are a troll - you contribute nothing by hate and BS to this group,
never a constructive bit of assistance to anyone, and you are always a
smart-ass, snide, immature little brat in almost every conversation - sure
looks like a troll to me.

You should have just stayed quiet, and not replied at all, because every
time you reply to me you just look more foolish and irrational.

Yea, but I look better than you - and there's another difference, you
don't contribute ANYTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO ANY THREAD.

 

[kurttrail]

Had Alias stated that he was speaking for Spainish OEM's in the start
it would never have got to Yves's comments.

Again, whether it is Spain or the US, it is not illegal to use OEM
software. Which is what Jason (my mistake) was saying. "And just as
illegal as Devils Own."

Again, Alias replied without stating (the first time) that he was
talking about the Spanish version of the OEM rules and since he
didn't know where the OP was it was just a much BS/FUD as everything
you post.

You are a moron, fool, and a scumbag! OEM software is legally sold in
Wal-Mart and you know it. It is you and Yves that a full of BS/FUD!

Illegal is open for discussion at several levels, I don't approve of
your definition, but it's is against the licensing agreement to
purchase OEM software of MS's in the USA without purchasing some
hardware item at the same time.

Wrong, it is against the OEM resellers agreement. MS's OEM EULA,
doesn't make that distintion. And Alias NEVER said anything about
buying software without the hardware!

I like to cut out what I consider BS or not relevant - in the case of
your posts, that just happens to be most of what you spew forth.

LOL! At least I don't go around saying things are "illegal" when I
can't show a law or legal precedent that backs up the assertion of
illegality.

You are a troll - you contribute nothing by hate and BS to this group,
never a constructive bit of assistance to anyone, and you are always a
smart-ass, snide, immature little brat in almost every conversation -
sure looks like a troll to me.

LOL! That's because you just see your reflection in your monitor!

Yea, but I look better than you - and there's another difference, you
don't contribute ANYTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO ANY THREAD.

Yes, I did, in my fist post in this thread, replying to Morituri-|-Max's
post to the OP.

"This is the best answer of the group. You can also use Win95 to
qualify for the upgrade. Also, go for XP Pro Upgrade. XP Pro can't be
repair installed with a XP Home CD. And you can't downgrade to XP Home
without doing a clean install."

Not only did I post in support of another's advice, but I added to it
with some very construtive advise of my own.

See, you are just full of sh*t, as is the norm for you. Again, you
should just shut the f*#k up, cuz I'll always own you. Your irrational
posts are just too easy to expose for the BS/FUD that they really are!

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[Leythos]

OEM software is legally sold in Wal-Mart and you know it.

And you have missed the point - WalMart packages it with a MS Mouse too,
proving that OEM purchases in the US require a hardware purchase in order
to comply with the MS agreement. Heck, they even say that the PURCHASER is
required to comply with the Systems Builders Licensing!

As quoted from the following site:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/prod...=3954&type=19&dept=3944&path=0:3944:3951:3954

Microsoft XP Pro IS designed for businesses of any size and individuals
upgrading from Windows 98 SE, Me, NT 4.0 or 2000 Professional.

* This OEM version is intended for system builders only and cannot be
transferred to another PC once it is installed.

* The purchaser of this software is required to comply with the terms
of the System Builder license , including the responsibility of
providing all end user support for the software.

* includes 2-button mouse

 

[Leythos]

See, you are just full of sh*t, as is the norm for you. Again, you
should just shut the f*#k up, cuz I'll always own you. Your irrational
posts are just too easy to expose for the BS/FUD that they really are!

It's almost fun to watch you turn completely immature.

 

[Alias]

And you have missed the point - WalMart packages it with a MS Mouse too,
proving that OEM purchases in the US require a hardware purchase in order
to comply with the MS agreement. Heck, they even say that the PURCHASER is
required to comply with the Systems Builders Licensing!

As quoted from the following site:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/prod...=3954&type=19&dept=3944&path=0:3944:3951:3954

Microsoft XP Pro IS designed for businesses of any size and individuals
upgrading from Windows 98 SE, Me, NT 4.0 or 2000 Professional.

* This OEM version is intended for system builders only and cannot be
transferred to another PC once it is installed.

* The purchaser of this software is required to comply with the terms
of the System Builder license , including the responsibility of
providing all end user support for the software.

* includes 2-button mouse

Notice it doesn't say anything about a motherboard.

AHAHAHAHAHA!

Alias

 

[Leythos]

Notice it doesn't say anything about a motherboard.

AHAHAHAHAHA!

Alias

You only wish - as usual you only see part of the text - it fully says
that you MUST COMPLY WITH THE SYSTEMS BUILDERS LICENSE - Guess what the
Systems Builder Site states about OEM software and Motherboard? Oh, that's
right, you won't visit the site because you have to REGISTER and you don't
want to be proven wrong, so you claim that you won't register for some
half-baked reason.

It's right in the type Alias - you just have to read it. They even provide
the link to the start of the SB website in their web-page!

 

[kurttrail]

And you have missed the point - WalMart packages it with a MS Mouse
too, proving that OEM purchases in the US require a hardware purchase
in order to comply with the MS agreement. Heck, they even say that
the PURCHASER is required to comply with the Systems Builders
Licensing!

As quoted from the following site:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/prod...=3954&type=19&dept=3944&path=0:3944:3951:3954

Microsoft XP Pro IS designed for businesses of any size and
individuals upgrading from Windows 98 SE, Me, NT 4.0 or 2000
Professional.

* This OEM version is intended for system builders only and cannot
be transferred to another PC once it is installed.

* The purchaser of this software is required to comply with the
terms of the System Builder license , including the responsibility
of providing all end user support for the software.

* includes 2-button mouse

Yes, I am aware of that. And it is not illegal as "Devils Own."

There is nothing in the law or MS's End User License Agreement that
makes using that OEM software without the mouse.

Alias orginal post mentioned nothing about buying OEM software in any
way that could be contrued as illegal, yet Jason replied that it was.
He was wrong.

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[kurttrail]

It's almost fun to watch you turn completely immature.

LOL! It is fun to watch you respond to my these statements, while
ignoring the meat of the post.

And that just goes to show what a real idiot you are. Instead of trying
to back up your erroneous beliefs, you rather dwell in the nonsense.

But nonsense is all you have, as your beliefs are totally irrational,
and unsupportable.

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