Unable to boot from WinXP Pro Setup Disc

[LewB]

Thanks. Defender was still on my computer along with MSE so it was removed
in Add/Remove as recommended by the link you provided. Previous suggestions
were to keep using Spyware Blaster, MBAM, and possibly SuperAntispyware. Do
these recommendations continue. Finally I have Spybot-Search and Destroy but
not activated. I don't know if it is necessary with all the others.
LJB
--
LJB

Your further investigation suggests that Windows Defender beta had been
installed on the computer 'way back when.

If Defender is installed in WinXP, installing MSE (which includes Defender
"technologies") will remove Defender. (In Vista & Win7, Defender will be
disabled). See this discussion:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/5309cb8d-02e1-40e8-974f-0dcedb9ab9fd

Robear,
I wanted to provide more info on the AV issues that were raised in the
previous thread I started on 4/4 and especially in regard to the Microsoft
Antispyware file on my program files. From that point on there were a
number of posts suggesting this was a rogue file and I needed to do a
clean
install, etc which eventually was done. I looked at that folder again and
it has a subfolder named TempUpdates. When opened there are two files:
microsoftantispywareinstall.exe (date modified 11/28/2005)
and
Windowsdefender.exe (date modified 5/52006)

This suggests to me that Microsoft Antispyware is a valid app from
Microsoft
and is related somehow to Windows Defender and wonder if you agree with
this
interpretation. I thought you also would want to have this info in the
unlikely event that this issue could resurface in a new thread.
As I noted previously this folder is not in Add/Remove and there is no
uninstall file associated with it. I suspect it somehow has been bundled
up
in Window Defender that is running and is in Add/Remove. Also both
Defender
and Microsoft Security Essentials are running simultaneously and I guess
that is routine??
LJB

My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies to
(one
of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to assist you
will have the complete history available to them.


LewB wrote:
I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what this
site
is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a limit
to
how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with the
site
administrator.

What Lem said.

PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new threads
about this computer & your problems.


LewB wrote:
Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several weeks
ago.
I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as
described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have
motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click on
C
and
go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities
running.
I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is
the
way
to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot
process.
LB

[You're still messing around with that computer?!]

I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If you've
formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

===============================

HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See
http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method
1
in
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new
computer"
so
take care of everything on the following page before otherwise
connecting
the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other
computers)
and
before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't
been
freshly formatted:

4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online
http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

Other helpful references include:

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully
patched
(after a clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched
(after
a
clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install
KB971029
manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the
computer
when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is
reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the
appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows
Service
Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus
application
(which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

Norton Removal Tool

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002



LewB wrote:
I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original
Setup
disc
and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive.
It
is
set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the
disc
in
place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the
CD"
but
when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3
listed
in
"boot devise priority".
1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S
2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M
3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S
The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical
drives.
But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The
disc
itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security
Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if
that
is
critical.
LJB

.

.

.

.

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Only you can decide what security applications are necessary on your
computer.

That being said, I'd recommend dumping SpyBot, SAS, and MBAM (assuming
you're running the free versions of these applications). Check for
SpywareBlaster updates every 10-14 days or so.

Thanks. Defender was still on my computer along with MSE so it was
removed
in Add/Remove as recommended by the link you provided. Previous
suggestions
were to keep using Spyware Blaster, MBAM, and possibly SuperAntispyware.
Do
these recommendations continue. Finally I have Spybot-Search and Destroy
but not activated. I don't know if it is necessary with all the others.

Your further investigation suggests that Windows Defender beta had been
installed on the computer 'way back when.

If Defender is installed in WinXP, installing MSE (which includes
Defender
"technologies") will remove Defender. (In Vista & Win7, Defender will be
disabled). See this discussion:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/5309cb8d-02e1-40e8-974f-0dcedb9ab9fd

Robear,
I wanted to provide more info on the AV issues that were raised in
the
previous thread I started on 4/4 and especially in regard to the
Microsoft
Antispyware file on my program files. From that point on there were a
number of posts suggesting this was a rogue file and I needed to do a
clean
install, etc which eventually was done. I looked at that folder again
and
it has a subfolder named TempUpdates. When opened there are two files:
microsoftantispywareinstall.exe (date modified 11/28/2005)
and
Windowsdefender.exe (date modified 5/52006)

This suggests to me that Microsoft Antispyware is a valid app from
Microsoft
and is related somehow to Windows Defender and wonder if you agree with
this
interpretation. I thought you also would want to have this info in the
unlikely event that this issue could resurface in a new thread.
As I noted previously this folder is not in Add/Remove and there is
no
uninstall file associated with it. I suspect it somehow has been
bundled
up
in Window Defender that is running and is in Add/Remove. Also both
Defender
and Microsoft Security Essentials are running simultaneously and I guess
that is routine??
LJB

My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies to
(one
of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to assist
you
will have the complete history available to them.


LewB wrote:
I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what this
site
is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a
limit
to
how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with the
site
administrator.

What Lem said.

PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new
threads
about this computer & your problems.


LewB wrote:
Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several
weeks
ago.
I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as
described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have
motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click
on
C
and
go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities
running.
I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is
the
way
to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot
process.
LB

[You're still messing around with that computer?!]

I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If
you've
formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

===============================

HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See
http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or
Method
1
in
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new
computer"
so
take care of everything on the following page before otherwise
connecting
the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other
computers)
and
before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't
been
freshly formatted:

4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online
http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

Other helpful references include:

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully
patched
(after a clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched
(after
a
clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install
KB971029
manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the
computer
when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows
is
reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the
appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows
Service
Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus
application
(which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

Norton Removal Tool

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002



LewB wrote:
I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original
Setup
disc
and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD
drive.
It
is
set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the
disc
in
place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the
CD"
but
when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3
listed
in
"boot devise priority".
1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S
2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M
3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S
The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical
drives.
But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The
disc
itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft
Security
Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if
that
is
critical.
LJB

.

.

.

.

 

[Daave]

YW. In that regard, images and clones are the same. That is, there would
be no need to reinstall drivers, updates, applications, etc. See:

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=238515

I like images for the reasons cited in the above page. But some people
report they prefer using a program like Casper, which has the capability
of creating "incremental" clones. Then again, I like the flexibility of
going back in time several images (a la System Restore), so this is why
I prefer Acronis. BTW, Acronis (as you know) can do clones, too, but not
incremental ones.

If you decide to purchase Acronis, it is *crucial* you create the
bootable CD! (Retail versions already come with one; otherwise they need
to be created!)

 

[LewB]

The impression I have therefore is that MSE has all of the features of the
others (MBAM, SAS,Spybot) and there is no need for them.....except
Spywarebaster. Several of the posts on the other thread suggested more may
be better than less.
As you know I removed McAfee through the Add/Remove route in Control
Panel. I then downloaded and installed MSE and ran a full scan and no
problems were detected. On reviewing the posts I realized I had overlooked
this link:

http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

so I downloaded and installed and it ran automatically. I couldn't believe
the number of additional files that were identified and removed. So I don't
know if this delayed removal will have any effect on the function of MSE?







--
LJB

Only you can decide what security applications are necessary on your
computer.

That being said, I'd recommend dumping SpyBot, SAS, and MBAM (assuming
you're running the free versions of these applications). Check for
SpywareBlaster updates every 10-14 days or so.

Thanks. Defender was still on my computer along with MSE so it was
removed
in Add/Remove as recommended by the link you provided. Previous
suggestions
were to keep using Spyware Blaster, MBAM, and possibly SuperAntispyware.
Do
these recommendations continue. Finally I have Spybot-Search and Destroy
but not activated. I don't know if it is necessary with all the others.

Your further investigation suggests that Windows Defender beta had been
installed on the computer 'way back when.

If Defender is installed in WinXP, installing MSE (which includes
Defender
"technologies") will remove Defender. (In Vista & Win7, Defender will be
disabled). See this discussion:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/5309cb8d-02e1-40e8-974f-0dcedb9ab9fd


LewB wrote:
Robear,
I wanted to provide more info on the AV issues that were raised in
the
previous thread I started on 4/4 and especially in regard to the
Microsoft
Antispyware file on my program files. From that point on there were a
number of posts suggesting this was a rogue file and I needed to do a
clean
install, etc which eventually was done. I looked at that folder again
and
it has a subfolder named TempUpdates. When opened there are two files:
microsoftantispywareinstall.exe (date modified 11/28/2005)
and
Windowsdefender.exe (date modified 5/52006)

This suggests to me that Microsoft Antispyware is a valid app from
Microsoft
and is related somehow to Windows Defender and wonder if you agree with
this
interpretation. I thought you also would want to have this info in the
unlikely event that this issue could resurface in a new thread.
As I noted previously this folder is not in Add/Remove and there is
no
uninstall file associated with it. I suspect it somehow has been
bundled
up
in Window Defender that is running and is in Add/Remove. Also both
Defender
and Microsoft Security Essentials are running simultaneously and I guess
that is routine??
LJB

My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies to
(one
of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to assist
you
will have the complete history available to them.


LewB wrote:
I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what this
site
is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a
limit
to
how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with the
site
administrator.

What Lem said.

PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new
threads
about this computer & your problems.


LewB wrote:
Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several
weeks
ago.
I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as
described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have
motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click
on
C
and
go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities
running.
I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is
the
way
to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot
process.
LB

[You're still messing around with that computer?!]

I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If
you've
formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

===============================

HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See
http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or
Method
1
in
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new
computer"
so
take care of everything on the following page before otherwise
connecting
the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other
computers)
and
before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't
been
freshly formatted:

4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online
http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

Other helpful references include:

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully
patched
(after a clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched
(after
a
clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install
KB971029
manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the
computer
when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows
is
reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the
appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows
Service
Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus
application
(which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

Norton Removal Tool

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002



LewB wrote:
I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original
Setup
disc
and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD
drive.
It
is
set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the
disc
in
place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the
CD"
but
when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3
listed
in
"boot devise priority".
1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S
2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M
3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S
The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical
drives.
But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The
disc
itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft
Security
Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if
that
is
critical.
LJB

.

.

.

.

.

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Check list for installing Microsoft Security Essentials
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/bf757e6a-e320-4a67-92bc-767e6acb26c4

Ideally, the McAfee removal tool would have been run before you installed
MSE.

Now I'm not gonna search your many threads but I suspect I mentioned that
removal tool at some point in one or more of them.

The impression I have therefore is that MSE has all of the features of the
others (MBAM, SAS,Spybot) and there is no need for them.....except
Spywarebaster. Several of the posts on the other thread suggested more
may
be better than less.
As you know I removed McAfee through the Add/Remove route in Control
Panel. I then downloaded and installed MSE and ran a full scan and no
problems were detected. On reviewing the posts I realized I had
overlooked
this link:

http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

so I downloaded and installed and it ran automatically. I couldn't
believe
the number of additional files that were identified and removed. So I
don't
know if this delayed removal will have any effect on the function of MSE?

Only you can decide what security applications are necessary on your
computer.

That being said, I'd recommend dumping SpyBot, SAS, and MBAM (assuming
you're running the free versions of these applications). Check for
SpywareBlaster updates every 10-14 days or so.

Thanks. Defender was still on my computer along with MSE so it was
removed
in Add/Remove as recommended by the link you provided. Previous
suggestions
were to keep using Spyware Blaster, MBAM, and possibly SuperAntispyware.
Do
these recommendations continue. Finally I have Spybot-Search and
Destroy
but not activated. I don't know if it is necessary with all the others.

Your further investigation suggests that Windows Defender beta had been
installed on the computer 'way back when.

If Defender is installed in WinXP, installing MSE (which includes
Defender
"technologies") will remove Defender. (In Vista & Win7, Defender will
be
disabled). See this discussion:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/5309cb8d-02e1-40e8-974f-0dcedb9ab9fd


LewB wrote:
Robear,
I wanted to provide more info on the AV issues that were raised in
the
previous thread I started on 4/4 and especially in regard to the
Microsoft
Antispyware file on my program files. From that point on there were a
number of posts suggesting this was a rogue file and I needed to do a
clean
install, etc which eventually was done. I looked at that folder again
and
it has a subfolder named TempUpdates. When opened there are two
files:
microsoftantispywareinstall.exe (date modified 11/28/2005)
and
Windowsdefender.exe (date modified 5/52006)

This suggests to me that Microsoft Antispyware is a valid app from
Microsoft
and is related somehow to Windows Defender and wonder if you agree
with
this
interpretation. I thought you also would want to have this info in
the
unlikely event that this issue could resurface in a new thread.
As I noted previously this folder is not in Add/Remove and there is
no
uninstall file associated with it. I suspect it somehow has been
bundled
up
in Window Defender that is running and is in Add/Remove. Also both
Defender
and Microsoft Security Essentials are running simultaneously and I
guess
that is routine??
LJB

My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies
to
(one
of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to assist
you
will have the complete history available to them.


LewB wrote:
I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what
this
site
is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a
limit
to
how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with
the
site
administrator.

What Lem said.

PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new
threads
about this computer & your problems.


LewB wrote:
Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several
weeks
ago.
I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup
as
described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I
have
motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click
on
C
and
go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities
running.
I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this
is
the
way
to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot
process.
LB

[You're still messing around with that computer?!]

I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If
you've
formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not
installed.

===============================

HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See
http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or
Method
1
in
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new
computer"
so
take care of everything on the following page before otherwise
connecting
the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other
computers)
and
before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or
hasn't
been
freshly formatted:

4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go
online
http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

Other helpful references include:

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully
patched
(after a clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched
(after
a
clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install
KB971029
manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the
computer
when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows
is
reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run
the
appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows
Service
Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus
application
(which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

Norton Removal Tool

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002



LewB wrote:
I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original
Setup
disc
and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD
drive.
It
is
set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with
the
disc
in
place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from
the
CD"
but
when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3
listed
in
"boot devise priority".
1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S
2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M
3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S
The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two
optical
drives.
But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result.
The
disc
itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft
Security
Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or
if
that
is
critical.
LJB

.

.

.

.

.

 

[LewB]

"I suspect I mentioned that removal tool at some point"

You did. It was in a list along with a number of other links that I simply
overlooked and screwed up in my haste to get to MSE assuming Add/Remove would
take care of everything. So what good is Add/Remove? Some of the apps come
with an uninstall file, many do not and Add/Remove is the only option. The
link you sent
(http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/bf757e6a-e320-4a67-92bc-767e6acb26c4)
has many sections but none discuss what I just did and how, if at all, MSE
might be effected?

--
LJB

Check list for installing Microsoft Security Essentials
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/bf757e6a-e320-4a67-92bc-767e6acb26c4

Ideally, the McAfee removal tool would have been run before you installed
MSE.

Now I'm not gonna search your many threads but I suspect I mentioned that
removal tool at some point in one or more of them.

The impression I have therefore is that MSE has all of the features of the
others (MBAM, SAS,Spybot) and there is no need for them.....except
Spywarebaster. Several of the posts on the other thread suggested more
may
be better than less.
As you know I removed McAfee through the Add/Remove route in Control
Panel. I then downloaded and installed MSE and ran a full scan and no
problems were detected. On reviewing the posts I realized I had
overlooked
this link:

http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

so I downloaded and installed and it ran automatically. I couldn't
believe
the number of additional files that were identified and removed. So I
don't
know if this delayed removal will have any effect on the function of MSE?

Only you can decide what security applications are necessary on your
computer.

That being said, I'd recommend dumping SpyBot, SAS, and MBAM (assuming
you're running the free versions of these applications). Check for
SpywareBlaster updates every 10-14 days or so.

LewB wrote:
Thanks. Defender was still on my computer along with MSE so it was
removed
in Add/Remove as recommended by the link you provided. Previous
suggestions
were to keep using Spyware Blaster, MBAM, and possibly SuperAntispyware.
Do
these recommendations continue. Finally I have Spybot-Search and
Destroy
but not activated. I don't know if it is necessary with all the others.

Your further investigation suggests that Windows Defender beta had been
installed on the computer 'way back when.

If Defender is installed in WinXP, installing MSE (which includes
Defender
"technologies") will remove Defender. (In Vista & Win7, Defender will
be
disabled). See this discussion:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/5309cb8d-02e1-40e8-974f-0dcedb9ab9fd


LewB wrote:
Robear,
I wanted to provide more info on the AV issues that were raised in
the
previous thread I started on 4/4 and especially in regard to the
Microsoft
Antispyware file on my program files. From that point on there were a
number of posts suggesting this was a rogue file and I needed to do a
clean
install, etc which eventually was done. I looked at that folder again
and
it has a subfolder named TempUpdates. When opened there are two
files:
microsoftantispywareinstall.exe (date modified 11/28/2005)
and
Windowsdefender.exe (date modified 5/52006)

This suggests to me that Microsoft Antispyware is a valid app from
Microsoft
and is related somehow to Windows Defender and wonder if you agree
with
this
interpretation. I thought you also would want to have this info in
the
unlikely event that this issue could resurface in a new thread.
As I noted previously this folder is not in Add/Remove and there is
no
uninstall file associated with it. I suspect it somehow has been
bundled
up
in Window Defender that is running and is in Add/Remove. Also both
Defender
and Microsoft Security Essentials are running simultaneously and I
guess
that is routine??
LJB

My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies
to
(one
of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to assist
you
will have the complete history available to them.


LewB wrote:
I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what
this
site
is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a
limit
to
how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with
the
site
administrator.

What Lem said.

PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new
threads
about this computer & your problems.


LewB wrote:
Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several
weeks
ago.
I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup
as
described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I
have
motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click
on
C
and
go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities
running.
I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this
is
the
way
to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot
process.
LB

[You're still messing around with that computer?!]

I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If
you've
formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not
installed.

===============================

HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See
http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or
Method
1
in
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new
computer"
so
take care of everything on the following page before otherwise
connecting
the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other
computers)
and
before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or
hasn't
been
freshly formatted:

4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go
online
http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

Other helpful references include:

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully
patched
(after a clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched
(after
a
clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install
KB971029
manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the
computer
when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows
is
reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run
the
appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows
Service
Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus
application
(which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

Norton Removal Tool

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002



LewB wrote:
I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original
Setup
disc
and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD
drive.
It
is
set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with
the
disc
in
place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from
the
CD"
but
when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3
listed
in
"boot devise priority".
1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S
2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M
3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S
The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two
optical
drives.
But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result.
The
disc
itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft
Security
Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or
if
that
is
critical.
LJB

.

.

.

.

.

.

 

[LewB]

There are a number of AV programs out there, some free, some for purchase.
Is there any proscription to trying several on the same computer? That is,
is there a conflict that could develop in the same way that having two AV
programs on the same computer is a no-no.
LJB

 

[LewB]

"There are a number of AV programs out there, some free, some for purchase.
Is there any proscription to trying several on the same computer? That is,
is there a conflict that could develop in the same way that having two AV
programs on the same computer is a no-no. "

Sorry about the typo. I meant there are a number of backup programs out
there.......
LJB

 

[Daave]

I see no problem as long as they are not all running at the same time.
(Same with AV programs, BTW...)

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Must've been thinking of
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/407bf6da-c05d-4546-8788-0aa4c25a1f91

If you have more questions about MSE, post here:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse

"I suspect I mentioned that removal tool at some point"

You did. It was in a list along with a number of other links that I simply
overlooked and screwed up in my haste to get to MSE assuming Add/Remove
would take care of everything. So what good is Add/Remove? Some of the
apps come with an uninstall file, many do not and Add/Remove is the only
option. The link you sent
(http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/bf757e6a-e320-4a67-92bc-767e6acb26c4)
has many sections but none discuss what I just did and how, if at all, MSE
might be effected?

Check list for installing Microsoft Security Essentials
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/bf757e6a-e320-4a67-92bc-767e6acb26c4

Ideally, the McAfee removal tool would have been run before you installed
MSE.

Now I'm not gonna search your many threads but I suspect I mentioned that
removal tool at some point in one or more of them.

The impression I have therefore is that MSE has all of the features of
the
others (MBAM, SAS,Spybot) and there is no need for them.....except
Spywarebaster. Several of the posts on the other thread suggested more
may
be better than less.
As you know I removed McAfee through the Add/Remove route in Control
Panel. I then downloaded and installed MSE and ran a full scan and no
problems were detected. On reviewing the posts I realized I had
overlooked
this link:

http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

so I downloaded and installed and it ran automatically. I couldn't
believe
the number of additional files that were identified and removed. So I
don't
know if this delayed removal will have any effect on the function of
MSE?

Only you can decide what security applications are necessary on your
computer.

That being said, I'd recommend dumping SpyBot, SAS, and MBAM (assuming
you're running the free versions of these applications). Check for
SpywareBlaster updates every 10-14 days or so.

LewB wrote:
Thanks. Defender was still on my computer along with MSE so it was
removed
in Add/Remove as recommended by the link you provided. Previous
suggestions
were to keep using Spyware Blaster, MBAM, and possibly
SuperAntispyware.
Do
these recommendations continue. Finally I have Spybot-Search and
Destroy
but not activated. I don't know if it is necessary with all the
others.

Your further investigation suggests that Windows Defender beta had
been
installed on the computer 'way back when.

If Defender is installed in WinXP, installing MSE (which includes
Defender
"technologies") will remove Defender. (In Vista & Win7, Defender
will
be
disabled). See this discussion:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/5309cb8d-02e1-40e8-974f-0dcedb9ab9fd


LewB wrote:
Robear,
I wanted to provide more info on the AV issues that were raised
in
the
previous thread I started on 4/4 and especially in regard to the
Microsoft
Antispyware file on my program files. From that point on there were
a
number of posts suggesting this was a rogue file and I needed to do
a
clean
install, etc which eventually was done. I looked at that folder
again
and
it has a subfolder named TempUpdates. When opened there are two
files:
microsoftantispywareinstall.exe (date modified 11/28/2005)
and
Windowsdefender.exe (date modified 5/52006)

This suggests to me that Microsoft Antispyware is a valid app from
Microsoft
and is related somehow to Windows Defender and wonder if you agree
with
this
interpretation. I thought you also would want to have this info in
the
unlikely event that this issue could resurface in a new thread.
As I noted previously this folder is not in Add/Remove and there
is
no
uninstall file associated with it. I suspect it somehow has been
bundled
up
in Window Defender that is running and is in Add/Remove. Also both
Defender
and Microsoft Security Essentials are running simultaneously and I
guess
that is routine??
LJB

My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies
to
(one
of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to
assist
you
will have the complete history available to them.


LewB wrote:
I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what
this
site
is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a
limit
to
how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with
the
site
administrator.

What Lem said.

PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new
threads
about this computer & your problems.


LewB wrote:
Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several
weeks
ago.
I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup
as
described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I
have
motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R
click
on
C
and
go to format, windows will not allow it because of other
utilities
running.
I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this
is
the
way
to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot
process.
LB

[You're still messing around with that computer?!]

I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If
you've
formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not
installed.

===============================

HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See
http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or
Method
1
in
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new
computer"
so
take care of everything on the following page before otherwise
connecting
the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other
computers)
and
before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or
hasn't
been
freshly formatted:

4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go
online
http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

Other helpful references include:

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs)
fully
patched
(after a clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched
(after
a
clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install
KB971029
manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on
the
computer
when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when
Windows
is
reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run
the
appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows
Service
Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus
application
(which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

Norton Removal Tool

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002



LewB wrote:
I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the
original
Setup
disc
and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD
drive.
It
is
set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with
the
disc
in
place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from
the
CD"
but
when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3
listed
in
"boot devise priority".
1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S
2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M
3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S
The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two
optical
drives.
But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result.
The
disc
itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft
Security
Essentials but there are no directions about disabling
it....or
if
that
is
critical.
LJB

.

.

.

.

.

.

 

[LewB]

"I see no problem as long as they are not all running at the same time.
(Same with AV programs, BTW...)"

I get conflicting responses about the AV's on same computer. See this post.

replies inline....

I have Microsoft Antispyware Program on this computer, apparently
there
since 2006. Was this the predecessor of the MSE program and needs to
be
removed before downloading MSE? I should be able to disable the
McAfee and
then run the MSE to see how the two compare?

By "Microsoft Antispyware Program", I assume you mean Windows
Defender....no? If so, no, you don't have to uninstall it or disable it
to install MSE. MSE installs some updated versions of Defender files,
and disables the Defender interface automatically, so you don't have to
do anything with it.

I do NOT recommend installing MSE or any other AV with McAfee still
installed. Even if it is disabled, it can still cause issues. You
should not install any AV while another AV is installed. Although you
can disable McAfee's resident scanner, its drivers and services are
still loaded, and they can interfere with another AV's drivers and
services.

LB

 

[Daave]

I will ammend my statement to reflect that the AV programs need to be
well-mannered. McAfee does not fit that description. That is, even
if you try to configure McAfee in such a way that it is not running,
part of it may very well be running, nevertheless. Personally, I
wouldn't touch McAfee with a ten-foot pole!

But feel free to install both Avira AntiVir and ClamWin (as an example).
Just make sure they're both not running at the same time. This is easy
to do.

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Only one (1) anti-virus application should be installed *and loading at
boot* (running in the background) on your computer.