Unable to boot from WinXP Pro Setup Disc

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LewB

I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original Setup disc
and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive. It is
set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the disc in
place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the CD" but
when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3 listed in
"boot devise priority".
1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S
2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M
3rd CD/DVD-0:DVD-ROM DVD-16x6S
The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical drives.
But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The disc
itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security
Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if that is
critical.
LJB
 
LewB said:
I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original Setup
disc
and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive. It is
set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the disc in
place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the CD" but
when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3 listed in
"boot devise priority".
1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S
2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M
3rd CD/DVD-0:DVD-ROM DVD-16x6S
The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical drives.
But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The disc
itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security
Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if that is
critical.
LJB
Click to expand...

The status of your virus scanner is irrelevant when booting the machine from
a CD.

I have seen a number of posts in which people insisted that they were unable
to boot from the CD/DVD drive. Here are the most common reasons for such
failures:
- The poster overlooked the prompt to press a key in order to boot from the
CD/DVD drive.
- The boot CD/DVD was not a boot disk or was damaged. Using it on another
machine confirmed this.
- Some BIOS setting was incorrect. Booting with some other boot CD/DVD (e.g.
from here: http://pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd/) confirmed this.
- The CD/DVD drive was damaged or unable to boot from a boot CD or DVD.
- The machine had a hardware problem (e.g. a motherboard or RAM problem)
that prevented it from booting in any mode.
 
[You're still messing around with that computer?!]
I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...
Click to expand...

If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If you've
formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

===============================

HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See
http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method 1 in
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new computer" so
take care of everything on the following page before otherwise connecting
the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other computers) and
before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't been
freshly formatted:

4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online
http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

Other helpful references include:

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully patched
(after a clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched (after a
clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install KB971029
manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the computer
when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is
reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the
appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows Service
Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus application
(which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

Norton Removal Tool
ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool
http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe
 
Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several weeks ago.
I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as
described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have
motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click on C and
go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities running.
I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is the way
to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot process.
LB
--
LJB


PA Bear said:
[You're still messing around with that computer?!]
I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...
Click to expand...

If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If you've
formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

===============================

HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See
http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method 1 in
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new computer" so
take care of everything on the following page before otherwise connecting
the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other computers) and
before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't been
freshly formatted:

4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online
http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

Other helpful references include:

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully patched
(after a clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched (after a
clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install KB971029
manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the computer
when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is
reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the
appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows Service
Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus application
(which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

Norton Removal Tool
ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool
http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002


I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original Setup
disc
and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive. It is
set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the disc in
place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the CD" but
when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3 listed in
"boot devise priority".
1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S
2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M
3rd CD/DVD-0:DVD-ROM DVD-16x6S
The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical drives.
But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The disc
itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security
Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if that is
critical.
LJB
Click to expand...

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Click to expand...
 
LewB said:
Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several weeks ago.
I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as
described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have
motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click on C and
go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities running.
I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is the way
to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot process.
LB
Click to expand...

Of the four possibilities Pegasus suggested, your description makes it
seem as if option 2 is the most likely: "The boot CD/DVD was not a boot
disk or was damaged."

What exactly is your "original setup disk"? What words are printed on it?

Where did the "slipstreamed SP3 disc" come from? If you made it, what
did you use as the base CD?

Have you tried either of these CDs on another computer? You don't have
to install anything on the other computer, just confirm (or not) that
the CD boots.

Have you created another bootable CD as Pegasus suggested to determine
if your hardware was capable of booting from *any* CD?
 
What Lem said.

PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new threads
about this computer & your problems.

Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several weeks
ago.
I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as
described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have
motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click on C
and
go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities
running.
I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is the
way
to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot process.
LB
[You're still messing around with that computer?!]
I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...
Click to expand...

If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If you've
formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

===============================

HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See
http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method 1
in
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new computer"
so
take care of everything on the following page before otherwise connecting
the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other computers)
and
before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't been
freshly formatted:

4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online
http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

Other helpful references include:

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully patched
(after a clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched (after a
clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install KB971029
manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the
computer
when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is
reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the
appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows Service
Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus
application
(which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

Norton Removal Tool

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002


I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original Setup
disc
and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive. It
is
set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the disc
in
place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the CD"
but
when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3 listed in
"boot devise priority".
1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S
2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M
3rd CD/DVD-0:DVD-ROM DVD-16x6S
The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical
drives.
But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The disc
itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security
Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if that
is
critical.
LJB
Click to expand...

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Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
LewB said:
I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original
Setup disc and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the
CD drive. It is set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is
restarted with the disc in place the system does displace the "click
any key to boot from the CD" but when this is done Windows boots
normally.
Click to expand...

Try another keyboard.

What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless perhaps? Is
there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need to be
changed?

If it's not the keyboard, then either both CDs are bad or the CD drive
is bad.
 
I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what this site
is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a limit to
how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with the site
administrator.
--
LJB


PA Bear said:
What Lem said.

PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new threads
about this computer & your problems.

Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several weeks
ago.
I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as
described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have
motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click on C
and
go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities
running.
I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is the
way
to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot process.
LB
[You're still messing around with that computer?!]

I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If you've
formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

===============================

HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See
http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method 1
in
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new computer"
so
take care of everything on the following page before otherwise connecting
the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other computers)
and
before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't been
freshly formatted:

4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online
http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

Other helpful references include:

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully patched
(after a clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched (after a
clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install KB971029
manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the
computer
when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is
reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the
appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows Service
Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus
application
(which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

Norton Removal Tool

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002



LewB wrote:
I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original Setup
disc
and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive. It
is
set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the disc
in
place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the CD"
but
when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3 listed in
"boot devise priority".
1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S
2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M
3rd CD/DVD-0:DVD-ROM DVD-16x6S
The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical
drives.
But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The disc
itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security
Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if that
is
critical.
LJB

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Click to expand...
Click to expand...

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Click to expand...
 
Well it does boot to Setup on another computer. And after windows comes up
following a standard boot, placing the disc in the disk drive loads setup
normally and gives me all the options. I could reinstall XP at that time but
I presume this would not be a clean install.
 
My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies to (one
of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to assist you
will have the complete history available to them.

I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what this
site
is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a limit to
how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with the
site
administrator.
What Lem said.

PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new threads
about this computer & your problems.

Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several weeks
ago.
I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as
described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have
motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click on C
and
go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities
running.
I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is the
way
to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot
process.
LB

[You're still messing around with that computer?!]

I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If you've
formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

===============================

HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See
http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method
1
in
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new
computer"
so
take care of everything on the following page before otherwise
connecting
the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other computers)
and
before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't
been
freshly formatted:

4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online
http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

Other helpful references include:

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully
patched
(after a clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched (after
a
clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install
KB971029
manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the
computer
when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is
reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the
appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows
Service
Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus
application
(which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

Norton Removal Tool

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002



LewB wrote:
I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original
Setup
disc
and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive.
It
is
set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the
disc
in
place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the
CD"
but
when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3 listed
in
"boot devise priority".
1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S
2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M
3rd CD/DVD-0:DVD-ROM DVD-16x6S
The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical
drives.
But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The
disc
itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security
Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if
that
is
critical.
LJB

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Click to expand...

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Click to expand...
 
Daave said:
Try another keyboard.

What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless perhaps? Is
there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need to be
changed?

If it's not the keyboard, then either both CDs are bad or the CD drive
is bad.
Click to expand...

Also...

What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?
 
What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?
Custom made PC with Pentium IV 2.8 chip
Motherboard is Microstar 865PE-Neo-2

What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless perhaps?
Yes it is wireless and is Microsoft Wireless Multimedia Keyboard 1.0A

Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need to be changed?
No keyboard reference in this BIOS
 
I thought everyone signed off or got tired/annoyed with the previous thread
which numbered 66 entries and no response of many days to my last post. I
assumed I would therefore need to start a new one for more help......and I do
appreciate the help!!
--
LJB


PA Bear said:
My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies to (one
of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to assist you
will have the complete history available to them.

I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what this
site
is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a limit to
how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with the
site
administrator.
What Lem said.

PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new threads
about this computer & your problems.


LewB wrote:
Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several weeks
ago.
I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as
described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have
motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click on C
and
go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities
running.
I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is the
way
to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot
process.
LB

[You're still messing around with that computer?!]

I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If you've
formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

===============================

HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See
http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method
1
in
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new
computer"
so
take care of everything on the following page before otherwise
connecting
the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other computers)
and
before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't
been
freshly formatted:

4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online
http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

Other helpful references include:

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully
patched
(after a clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched (after
a
clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install
KB971029
manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the
computer
when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is
reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the
appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows
Service
Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus
application
(which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

Norton Removal Tool

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002



LewB wrote:
I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original
Setup
disc
and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive.
It
is
set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the
disc
in
place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the
CD"
but
when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3 listed
in
"boot devise priority".
1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S
2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M
3rd CD/DVD-0:DVD-ROM DVD-16x6S
The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical
drives.
But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The
disc
itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security
Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if
that
is
critical.
LJB

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Click to expand...
 
Before you do anything else, use another (non-wireless) keyboard. That's
probably your problem with regard to the "press any key" issue.
 
Yeeessss. You were absolutely correct. I purchased a new keyboard today and
the boot to SetUp went normally. I was able to format and then install WinXP
and now have a "new"computer. I am pleased that the slipstreamed SP3 disc
functioned as advertised.
In keeping with Robear's last note to keep the posts to the same thread
so a full history will be available to all and not spread out over several
threads (as I have done with this one) I will ask you'all about backups. Is
there any advantage to having a proprietary backup program (Acronis, Ghost,
etc) vs using the Backup that comes with WinXP?
I have used EMC's Retrospect and backed up a lot of data to an external
drive but that program is very busy and somewhat complicated. I have also
used backup that comes with WinXP and find it to be more "user friendly". My
son says he simply copies what he wants to back up to a flash drive and after
a reformatt copies them back to Windows and has a fresh look. Isn't that
what Backup in WinXP does?? In either instance there is a lot of
reinstallation of apps that an image program avoids but also carries over
whatever nondesirable objects that you hopefully are getting rid of with the
format and reinstall of WinXP
Anyway many thanks for you great help.
LJB
 
Cool! Good job!

Actually, if the topic is totally new (like asking about backing up
strategies), you should start a new thread. You will get more responders
this way.

If your inability to boot to the Windows XP setup CD was directly
related to your last thread, I could see the value of not starting a new
thread. But if you feel the thrust is significantly different *and* if
you believe a new thread is wise (it's a judgment call), best practice
is to include a link to the other thread so others can refer to it (to
see the bigger picture).

Regarding your current question, have a look at this fine article:

http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=314

Although backing up data is already recommended, if that's *all* you do,
you are out of luck when it comes to recovering from a disaster the easy
way. Sure, you could reinstall the OS and the updates and all your
programs, but who wants to do that when restoring an image of your hard
drive takes care of all that instantly!

I recommend Acronis True Image because I use it and like it. Other
programs are fine, too.

Ntbackup has too many limitations; I'd stay away from it (unless you use
it just to back up data).

Using Windows Explorer to copy data is fine -- as long as you do it
regularly and completely! Doing it this way avoids the proprietary
archive file system that ntbackup uses; that is, with Windows Explorer,
you're just copying the data and not manipulating it into another form.

With Acronis, the data is backed up, too (unless the data is on another
partition and you don't include that in the image). The easiest method
is to have only one partition for everything (OS, applications, and
data) and then regularly image it. Once you play with Acronis, you'll
see it's quite easy to use.
 
Good stuff. Thanks. If you use Acronis and do an image backup you have to
be comfortable that you have no bad stuff (viruses/malware) for that will
carry over with the image. And that was the question that was raised in the
previous thread (now on page 13 with date of 4/4 of the General
discussion.....SP won't load) and brings me now to inquire about backups and
what is considered better, best, safest, etc, I did download a a 30 day free
trial of Acronis and have used it to make a clone to a new HDD. McAfee says
there are no bad characters on it and I will probably switch to Microsoft
Security Essentials or Avast, etc. as recommended on the other thread. I
like the idea of an image because you avoid the painstaking reinstallation of
apps, drivers, etc
LJB
 
Robear,
I wanted to provide more info on the AV issues that were raised in the
previous thread I started on 4/4 and especially in regard to the Microsoft
Antispyware file on my program files. From that point on there were a number
of posts suggesting this was a rogue file and I needed to do a clean install,
etc which eventually was done. I looked at that folder again and it has a
subfolder named TempUpdates. When opened there are two files:
microsoftantispywareinstall.exe (date modified 11/28/2005)
and
Windowsdefender.exe (date modified 5/52006)

This suggests to me that Microsoft Antispyware is a valid app from Microsoft
and is related somehow to Windows Defender and wonder if you agree with this
interpretation. I thought you also would want to have this info in the
unlikely event that this issue could resurface in a new thread.
As I noted previously this folder is not in Add/Remove and there is no
uninstall file associated with it. I suspect it somehow has been bundled up
in Window Defender that is running and is in Add/Remove. Also both Defender
and Microsoft Security Essentials are running simultaneously and I guess that
is routine??
LJB
--
LJB


PA Bear said:
My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies to (one
of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to assist you
will have the complete history available to them.

I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what this
site
is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a limit to
how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with the
site
administrator.
What Lem said.

PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new threads
about this computer & your problems.


LewB wrote:
Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several weeks
ago.
I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as
described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have
motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click on C
and
go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities
running.
I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is the
way
to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot
process.
LB

[You're still messing around with that computer?!]

I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If you've
formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

===============================

HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See
http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method
1
in
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new
computer"
so
take care of everything on the following page before otherwise
connecting
the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other computers)
and
before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't
been
freshly formatted:

4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online
http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

Other helpful references include:

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully
patched
(after a clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched (after
a
clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install
KB971029
manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the
computer
when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is
reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the
appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows
Service
Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus
application
(which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

Norton Removal Tool

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002



LewB wrote:
I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original
Setup
disc
and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive.
It
is
set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the
disc
in
place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the
CD"
but
when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3 listed
in
"boot devise priority".
1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S
2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M
3rd CD/DVD-0:DVD-ROM DVD-16x6S
The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical
drives.
But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The
disc
itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security
Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if
that
is
critical.
LJB

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Your further investigation suggests that Windows Defender beta had been
installed on the computer 'way back when.

If Defender is installed in WinXP, installing MSE (which includes Defender
"technologies") will remove Defender. (In Vista & Win7, Defender will be
disabled). See this discussion:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/5309cb8d-02e1-40e8-974f-0dcedb9ab9fd

Robear,
I wanted to provide more info on the AV issues that were raised in the
previous thread I started on 4/4 and especially in regard to the Microsoft
Antispyware file on my program files. From that point on there were a
number of posts suggesting this was a rogue file and I needed to do a
clean
install, etc which eventually was done. I looked at that folder again and
it has a subfolder named TempUpdates. When opened there are two files:
microsoftantispywareinstall.exe (date modified 11/28/2005)
and
Windowsdefender.exe (date modified 5/52006)

This suggests to me that Microsoft Antispyware is a valid app from
Microsoft
and is related somehow to Windows Defender and wonder if you agree with
this
interpretation. I thought you also would want to have this info in the
unlikely event that this issue could resurface in a new thread.
As I noted previously this folder is not in Add/Remove and there is no
uninstall file associated with it. I suspect it somehow has been bundled
up
in Window Defender that is running and is in Add/Remove. Also both
Defender
and Microsoft Security Essentials are running simultaneously and I guess
that is routine??
LJB
My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies to
(one
of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to assist you
will have the complete history available to them.

I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what this
site
is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a limit
to
how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with the
site
administrator.

What Lem said.

PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new threads
about this computer & your problems.


LewB wrote:
Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several weeks
ago.
I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as
described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have
motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click on
C
and
go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities
running.
I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is
the
way
to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot
process.
LB

[You're still messing around with that computer?!]

I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If you've
formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

===============================

HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See
http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method
1
in
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new
computer"
so
take care of everything on the following page before otherwise
connecting
the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other
computers)
and
before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't
been
freshly formatted:

4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online
http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

Other helpful references include:

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully
patched
(after a clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched
(after
a
clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install
KB971029
manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the
computer
when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is
reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the
appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows
Service
Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus
application
(which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

Norton Removal Tool

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002



LewB wrote:
I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original
Setup
disc
and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive.
It
is
set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the
disc
in
place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the
CD"
but
when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3
listed
in
"boot devise priority".
1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S
2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M
3rd CD/DVD-0:DVD-ROM DVD-16x6S
The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical
drives.
But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The
disc
itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security
Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if
that
is
critical.
LJB

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