Trying to decide between 3 printers

[measekite]

Woody wrote:



Thanks for the advice Woody. I have never used third party inks (thanks
to my relative at the office supply store, can't beat that staff
discount :-D) . This is getting to be a hard decision!

Best,
Christine

THE DECISION SHOULD BE EASY. UNLESS YOUR PRINTLOAD IS VERY HIGH USE OEM
CARTS AND AVOID THE RISK. AND IF YOU CAN GET A GOOD DISCOUNT EVEN MORE
THE REASON.

 

[fb]

Woody wrote:

....The people that are having clogging problems are using third party ink...

Bullshit!!! If that were true then the market place would not allow afm
inks to exist. Have you ever used any after market inks in any printer?
I have personally used only after market inks in my HP's, Epson's and
Canon's for about 10 years now and I never suffer from clogged or ruined
print heads or bad color prints. This ng is a testament to the fact that
after market inks are an excellent viable alternative to the extremely
high cost of oem inks.
Again, I'm a real users of afm inks are you? If you are not, nor ever
have been a user of afm inks then please do us all a favor and keep your
non-experienced opinions to yourself as they are simply only opinions
and as such are totally meaningless.
Thanks.
Frank

 

[measekite]

Woody wrote:

...The people that are having clogging problems are using third party
ink...

Bullshit!!!

THAT MUST BE THE B IN FB

If that were true then the market place would not allow afm inks to
exist.

THERE IS AN ASS FOR EVERY SEAT

Have you ever used any after market inks in any printer?

I have personally used only after market inks in my HP's, Epson's and
Canon's for about 10 years now and I never suffer from clogged or
ruined print heads or bad color prints.

YOU ARE NOT BELIEVABLE

This ng is a testament to the fact that after market inks are an
excellent viable alternative to the extremely high cost of oem inks.

THIS NG IS A TESTAMENT TO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE HAVING
TROUBLE WITH PRINTERS MOSTLY DUE TO AFTERMARKET INKS CLOGGING THEIR
PRINTHEADS AND ALSO RESULTING IN POOR PICTURE QUALITY AND OFF COLOR PRINTS.

Again, I'm a real users of afm inks are you?

MAYBE HE IS A WHOLE LOT SMARTER THAN YOU.

If you are not, nor ever have been a user of afm inks then please do
us all a favor and keep your non-experienced opinions to yourself

WHY DON'T YOU. KILLFILE HIM SO YOU DO NOT HEAR THE TRUTH.

as they are simply only opinions and as such are totally meaningless.
Thanks.

GOD DOES NOT LIKE YOU

 

[gonzocanuck]

Hi measekite,

I probably wouldn't hesitate to buy Lexmark again if I wasn't printing
photos or artwork. The Z32 is a little old, but it is a darn good
workhorse of a printer and I got a lot out of the cartridges,
especially when I was printing booklets for an event Thanks for the
advice though, I will definitely take it into consideration.

Sorry to hear about your keyboard, hope you can get a new one!

Best,
Christine

 

[zakezuke]

The Z32 is a little old, but it is a darn good

workhorse of a printer and I got a lot out of the cartridges,
especially when I was printing booklets for an event

measekite for the most part is our resident troll that will say
anything to get attention. And he doesn't understand that there are
different grades of lexmark printers and the ones he's complaining
about are those sub $100 ones. Though in this case I am forced to
agree... the lexmark takes the #50 black which costs roughly 7.5c/page
or double to tripple per page for plain text than Canon, HP, Epson, or
brother solutions that cost under $150. Or to put another way... you
could easily buy cartridges for many HPs that offer double the yield of
the #50 for the same price, or 1/2 the price with equal or higher
yield. This *is* one of those models if your printing more than 3
reams a year then it's more cost effective to buy another printer. But
as long as you were pleased with the results that's most important.

 

[measekite]

measekite for the most part is our resident troll that will say
anything to get attention.

THERE ARE THOSE WHO THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING AND WRITE PARAGRAPH AFTER
PARAGRAPH OF DIATRIBE. IT IS THE OPINION OF THE MAJORITY OF PRINTER
OWNERS THAT LEXMARK IS NOT A GOOD PRINTER. ALL ONE HAS TO DO IS LOOK AT
THEIR SALES AND THE FACT THAT THERE PRINTERS A GIVEN AWAY FOR FREE AND
USED AS SALES BAIT.

And he doesn't understand that there are
different grades of lexmark printers and the ones he's complaining
about are those sub $100 ones.

THERE IS NOT MUCH GOOD TO SAY ON ANY OF THEM. ALL ONE HAS TO DO IS READ
THE REVIES STARTING WITH PCMAG AND PCWORLD.

 

[Davy]

Anonymouswrote:
quote="Anonymous"] I always thought Epson was

the best of the best.

When it comes to the finished product you 'MAY' have a valid argument,
its not the finished product that concerns me, it is the reliability
and ink usage that does.

Picture this.
You want the best possible photo's, you buy an Epson which is no doubt
quite capable of producing, because you find it guzzles ink and that
the OEM ink is expensive you waste a fair amount more so when you get
clogs, you waste paper as well if you want to tot that up.

Be warned that the latest Epson printers I understand will not work
with OEM ink - you need to check this point.

So what d'ya do, you go out and buy cheaper non Epson ink.
Professional people who are in the trade CAN AFFORD to waste ink -
look how much they charge for the finished product, no doubt they get
some special deal for using their inks on a regular basis and bulk
deals etc..

If you want really good prints on a very occasional basis then what is
stopping you taking the photos to a shop what prints them for you.

I have said fairly don't take my word, look through various shopping
channels at users comments, look through various forums and take note
what people are 'griping' about.

The end result is, do you want good pictures or do you want
reliability or both...

Remember this, if you get clogged with an Epson it 'MAY' spell
desaster involving a considerable amount of ink wastage and maybe
the end of a printer, with a Canon you can replace the heads &
with a HP you get new heads when you buy the cartridge and to add
with a laser and you get no clogs at all.

Thanks to Epson technical they virtually emptied a new set of ink
tanks for me - fact not fiction.! It can be expensive unless you use
non OEM ink in which case you won't get the best quality out of the
printer.

Now you know why I say don't get clogged with an Epson -

Davy

 

[Davy]

Thanks to zakezuke for the confirmation that the ip3000 only uses a
dye black for both text and photos.

Davy

 

[Davy]

Davywrote:
[quote:c258e40813]quote="Anonymous"] I always thought Epson was

the best of the best.

When it comes to the finished product you 'MAY' have a valid argument,
its not the finished product that concerns me, it is the reliability
and ink usage that does.

Picture this.
You want the best possible photo's, you buy an Epson which is no doubt
quite capable of producing, because you find it guzzles ink and that
the OEM ink is expensive you waste a fair amount more so when you get
clogs, you waste paper as well if you want to tot that up.

Be warned that the latest Epson printers I understand will not work
with OEM ink - you need to check this point.

So what d'ya do, you go out and buy cheaper non Epson ink.
Professional people who are in the trade CAN AFFORD to waste ink -
look how much they charge for the finished product, no doubt they get
some special deal for using their inks on a regular basis and bulk
deals etc..

If you want really good prints on a very occasional basis then what is
stopping you taking the photos to a shop what prints them for you.

I have said fairly don't take my word, look through various shopping
channels at users comments, look through various forums and take note
what people are 'griping' about.

The end result is, do you want good pictures or do you want
reliability or both...

Remember this, if you get clogged with an Epson it 'MAY' spell
desaster involving a considerable amount of ink wastage and maybe
the end of a printer, with a Canon you can replace the heads &
with a HP you get new heads when you buy the cartridge and to add
with a laser you get no clogs at all.

Thanks to Epson technical they virtually emptied a new set of ink
tanks for me - fact not fiction.! It can be expensive unless you use
non OEM ink in which case you won't get the best quality out of the
printer.

Now you know why I say don't get clogged with an Epson -

Davy[/quote:c258e40813]

 

[Davy]

Woodywrote:

The people that are having clogging problems are using
third party ink or

using the printer very little which cause all inkjet printers to

clog.

Duh.... is that a fact.
I have said it before and I wil say it again, my C62 clogged on the
4th day, the replacment sometime later clogged on the 4th day all
with OEM ink,

There is no reason why a printer should clog so soon Since I don't
have it in direct sunlight, next to a radiator, we don't use it in a
bakery next to a oven and we don't grow icicles - darn good
reliability would you say..?

My Canon is over 5 months old not one single clog yet nor a manual
head clean required, now tell me which is more reliable. The Epson
wastes ink while the Canon uses it'

Have a look here-:
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,114590,00.asp

Quote-:
The Stylus C84 on average stopped printing with 20 percent of the

ink left in the cartridge, while the Canon i850 stopped printing with
10 percent of the ink left. Canon says that it generally strives to
leave 6 percent of a cartridge's ink as a safety margin. Epson
doesn't disclose its target residual ink levels, nor will the company
comment on why so high a proportion of the total ink is unused when
printing stops. The other printers we tested gave low-ink messages
but never stopped functioning (see the test report for details).
Unquote:

Davy

 

[measekite]

Woodywrote:

The people that are having clogging problems are using
third party ink or

using the printer very little which cause all inkjet printers to

clog.

Duh.... is that a fact.
I have said it before and I wil say it again, my C62 clogged on the
4th day, the replacment sometime later clogged on the 4th day all
with OEM ink,

WOODY KNOWS WHICH WAY THE WIND YE BLOWS

There is no reason why a printer should clog so soon Since I don't
have it in direct sunlight, next to a radiator, we don't use it in a
bakery next to a oven and we don't grow icicles - darn good
reliability would you say..?

My Canon is over 5 months old not one single clog yet nor a manual
head clean required, now tell me which is more reliable. The Epson
wastes ink while the Canon uses it'

Have a look here-:
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,114590,00.asp

ACHIEVE THE BEST RESULTS WITH CANON PRINTERS USING CANON INK

 

[measekite]

Davywrote:

[quote:c258e40813]quote="Anonymous"] I always thought Epson was

the best of the best.

When it comes to the finished product you 'MAY' have a valid argument,
its not the finished product that concerns me, it is the reliability
and ink usage that does.

Picture this.
You want the best possible photo's, you buy an Epson which is no doubt
quite capable of producing, because you find it guzzles ink and that
the OEM ink is expensive you waste a fair amount more so when you get
clogs, you waste paper as well if you want to tot that up.

Be warned that the latest Epson printers I understand will not work
with OEM ink - you need to check this point.

I THINK YOU MEAN AFTERMARKET INK

So what d'ya do, you go out and buy cheaper non Epson ink.

GOD FORBID

Professional people who are in the trade CAN AFFORD to waste ink -
look how much they charge for the finished product, no doubt they get
some special deal for using their inks on a regular basis and bulk
deals etc..

I DO NOT THINK SO BUT MOST ARTISTS WHO SELL THEIR WORK HAVE AN AFFINITY
FOR PIGMENTED INK. THIS IS NOT REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR MOST CONSUMERS.
THAT IS WHY MOST CONSUMERS USE DYE BASED PRINTERS.

If you want really good prints on a very occasional basis then what is
stopping you taking the photos to a shop what prints them for you.

I have said fairly don't take my word, look through various shopping
channels at users comments, look through various forums and take note
what people are 'griping' about.

USERS COMMENTS ARE NOT ALWAYS THE BRIGHTEST BUT READING BETWEEN THE
LINES OF PROFRESSIONAL MAG REVIEWS LIKE PCWORLD AND PCMAG CAN BE BENEFICIAL

The end result is, do you want good pictures or do you want
reliability or both...

Remember this, if you get clogged with an Epson it 'MAY' spell
desaster involving a considerable amount of ink wastage and maybe
the end of a printer,
TRUE

with a Canon you can replace the heads

BUT NOT ECONOMICALLY. IN MANY CASES IT IS CHEAPER TO BUY A NEW CANON
PRINTER.

&
with a HP you get new heads when you buy the cartridge and to add
with a laser you get no clogs at all.

THAT IS TRUE

Thanks to Epson technical they virtually emptied a new set of ink
tanks for me - fact not fiction.! It can be expensive unless you use
non OEM ink in which case you won't get the best quality out of the
printer.

Now you know why I say don't get clogged with an Epson -

Davy[/quote:c258e40813]

 

[measekite]

I WOULD BE INCLINED TO CONGRADULATE CANON FOR THAT AND MUCH MORE
INFORMATION IS CLEAR ON THEIR WEBSITE AT WWW.CANONUSA.COM

 

[zakezuke]

Thanks to zakezuke for the confirmation that the ip3000 only uses a

dye black for both text and photos.

No Pigmented black for text... composite black for photos... as in
mixes the cyan/magenta/yellow to make black.

 

[Davy]

[quote="measekite

I THINK YOU MEAN AFTERMARKET INK

Yeah, yeah DATS DER WONE, you buy de ink, you get home anddits empty -
aftermarket ink gerrit eh..?

GOD FORBID

Did he, DATS WHY he buy's OEM izzit..?

I DO NOT THINK SO BUT MOST ARTISTS WHO SELL THEIR WORK HAVE AN

AFFINITY
[/quote]

An afinnity for a bit of 'group 1' standing by an easel while he
holds a bottle of magenta in one hand and an empty tank in the
other.

Davy
Davy

 

[Gary Tait]

(e-mail address removed) wrote in @g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Thanks Dan! So far people seem to like the IP, but not the IP2000. I
read the review on C|Net and it seems pretty iffy since they always
mention the higher up model. I'll steer clear of that one.

IMO, it is mostly because the 2000 uses the BCI24 3-colour cart, and the
3000+ uses separate BCI6es.

 

[Davy]

These are the inks the ip3000 uses.

Black (BCI-3eK)
Cyan (BCI-6C) C
Magenta (BCI-6M)
Yellow (BCI-6Y)


Thanks zakezuke, looked like I 'muffed' that one, the three colours
for black and the black ink for text - sorry folks.

Davy

 

[gonzocanuck]

Hi Davy,

Hmm! That was a very reasonable post you made. I never thought about
some of that before, like the print heads. What a disaster to waste a
whole lot of ink that way!

The whole idea of getting a photo printer came up when I picked up some
prints from the drug store on Tuesday (I get my digital pix from London
Drugs - Future Shop is probably cheaper but I don' t live near one). I
recently completed a small painting, scanned it, and had various size
prints made from it to test the results I would get. I have done this
before with my artwork and indeed have been happy with that. While the
cost of getting 4x6"s made is not a problem, going into the larger
sizes gets more expensive. An 8x10" is $7Cdn. I was thinking that next
year I could possibly offer my art for sale at craft shows, but wanted
to save on costs too. If I'm making enough 8x10"s, I'm sure it would be
cheaper on a photo printer since the quality has risen so much. The HP
one takes three cartridges for photo printing, and they're about $30Cdn
@ (before her 40% staff discount). You're right though, I probably
don't want to be spending megabucks on ink or wasting it if I can help
it. If my relative quits, I'll be out of luck

Thanks,
Christine

 

[gonzocanuck]

Thanks for the advice. LOL, I guess I'm not as hardcore into printers
as some of the citizens here This has been quite an interesting
thread for me to follow as well. With my relative's staff discount, the
price of ink hasn't bothered me too much. There have been times when it
does seem like it runs out pretty fast though. I always meant to try
and keep track of how many pages a cartridge outputs...I think the case
of the booklets, there were roughly 350 pages that I printed. I believe
the cartridge was just about out after that It's a pretty fuss free
printer too, in my experience. The old Canon was extremely fussy and
always jamming :S

Thanks,
Christine

 

[stevem]

Be warned that the latest Epson printers I understand will not work
with OEM ink - you need to check this point.

Don't know to which printers you're referring here, but my R800 happily
accepts third-party cartridges (with Formulabs ink) without complaint, and
produces every bit as good results as it did with the original cartridges.
Steve.