This is an example of why Linux loses.

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asstrotrufing cubicle monster (e-mail address removed)
wrote on behalf of micoshaft corporation:

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This guy is out of date as usual.
This is traditional out dated windope zealots engaged in
asstroturfing on behalf of micoshaft corporation that you
don't need to trust.

http://www.livecdlist.com gets you vast numbers of free downloadable
Linuxes that can boot off of the CD and automagically
and run on a PC setting up networking and all drivers without you
having to do anything because Linux now has the biggest
supported driver list on the planet.
If that isn't enough, you buy a supported distro like SuSE, Red Hat,
Mandriva, Linspire, Xandros, etc.. So all aspects are covered.
There are numerous other distros that specialise in
delivering performance, features, 64 bit operation faster than
any windoze crapola, virtualization, etc
http://www.distrowatch.com

 

[JDS]

Most of them.

Load of shite.

 

[John John]

Oh for crying out loud I don't know why those stupid f*ck*ng Linux troll
dolls crosspost their stupid blabbering to Microsoft groups! As much as
I think that Linux is a good viable choice for an operating system, I
think these Linux crackpots are worse than religious zealots!

John

 

[JDS]

Probably not many, though I know several teenagers who have had no
problem doing so.

Well, I know of several sexagenarians who would never be able to install
Windows, install drivers, or install hardware. Not even a USB thumb drive.

 

[Cynic]

After takin' a swig o' grog, Cynic belched out this bit o' wisdom:

I'm cynical about your post.

Feel free to explain how to get a WinTV card or a Creative SB X-Fi
sound card running on a Linux system. Also maybe recommend a
reasonable video editing application that runs under Linux. I don't
need anything too fancy, though the ability to author DVDs with Dolby
5.1 surround sound would be good.

 

[Hadron Quark]

If you are capable of installing a driver or new hardware in Windows, you
are capable of doing it in Linux. If you are capable of using a fully
configured, preinstalled Windows PC, you are capable of using a fully
configured, preinstalled Linux PC.

Stick to the truth if you want to successfully advocate.

Installing a linux driver is a LOT harder than doing one for windows.

It often involves, lspci'ing, modprob'ing, restricted modules modifying,
configuring, compiling, installing.

It is lunacy to suggest it is "as easy". It *can* be but rarely is.

 

[Hadron Quark]

Try it over a remote connection where you only have a couple-k of
spare bandwidth to use.

I know which I'd prefer.

Don't you just love it when you make a point about a Linux weakness and
some geeky yahoo, unwittingly, adds his support!

 

[Hadron Quark]

Feel free to explain how to get a WinTV card or a Creative SB X-Fi
sound card running on a Linux system. Also maybe recommend a
reasonable video editing application that runs under Linux. I don't
need anything too fancy, though the ability to author DVDs with Dolby
5.1 surround sound would be good.

The responses will be as deafening as my onboard sound card generally
is, or your Creative one for that matter.... e.g silent.

It is worthy of note that someone got a creative soundblaster card
working with Linux recently and it was considered breaking news. I had
always though they, of all cards, would be supported out of the box.

 

[Gordon]

Oh for crying out loud I don't know why those stupid f*ck*ng Linux troll
dolls crosspost their stupid blabbering to Microsoft groups! As much as I
think that Linux is a good viable choice for an operating system, I think
these Linux crackpots are worse than religious zealots!

perhaps because the stupid f*ck*ng Windows troll dolls crosspost their
stupid blabbering to Linux groups? Do as you would be done by!

 

[John John]

perhaps because the stupid f*ck*ng Windows troll dolls crosspost their
stupid blabbering to Linux groups? Do as you would be done by!

 

[John John]

perhaps because the stupid f*ck*ng Windows troll dolls crosspost their
stupid blabbering to Linux groups? Do as you would be done by!

Maybe you should learn to read headers. I did not crosspost!

John >

 

[Ram]

There may be some difference between Windows 2000 Pro and Home in this
area, which may explain the article you found...

And where would you get a copy of Win 2 K home?

There's
Windows 2000 Pro
Windows 2000 Server
Windows 2000 Advanced Server
and
Windows 2000 Datacenter Server

but no home edition

Try again

Ram

 

[John John]

perhaps because the stupid f*ck*ng Windows troll dolls crosspost their
stupid blabbering to Linux groups? Do as you would be done by!

Maybe you should learn how to read headers. I did not crosspost!

John

 

[John Anderton]

It is worthy of note that someone got a creative soundblaster card
working with Linux recently and it was considered breaking news. I had
always though they, of all cards, would be supported out of the box.

Mine worked out of the box with Mandriva,

Cheers,

John

 

[Hadron Quark]

Mine worked out of the box with Mandriva,

Cheers,

John

Well, that's nice to know.

Any idea how the same card works with the other 369 distros?

 

[John Anderton]

Maybe you should learn to read headers. I did not crosspost!

No, but the person who started this thread, who can accurately be
called a "windows troll" given the comments he made regarding windows
vs linux, did crosspost to several linux groups as well as this one,

Cheers,

John

 

[John Anderton]

Well, that's nice to know.

Any idea how the same card works with the other 369 distros?

Why would I care ? I know it works with XP and Mandriva, that's all I'm
bothered about.

Cheers,

John

 

[Cynic]

This guy is out of date as usual.

Typical ad-hominem response to anyone who has genuinely tried to get a
Linux system to suit their needs but failed. My last attempt was
around 4 months ago.

This is traditional out dated windope zealots engaged in
asstroturfing on behalf of micoshaft corporation that you
don't need to trust.

I have no love for Windoze, and would really prefer to use Linux *if*
I could get it to do all the tasks I commonly perform on this Windoze
system. I know that Linux is faster and leaner than Windoze by an
order of magnitude. I used to have Linux servers running on 286
machines and 640KB of RAM that outperformed Pentiums with 128MB.

http://www.livecdlist.com gets you vast numbers of free downloadable
Linuxes that can boot off of the CD and automagically
and run on a PC setting up networking and all drivers without you
having to do anything because Linux now has the biggest
supported driver list on the planet.

Yes, I spent an entire Saturday trying some. Hours of broken links,
vanished websites and burning CDs that *almost* worked. I ended up
with *one* working boot CD that allows me to do web browsing (VGA
only) and text editing but little else. One of the installs trashed
the HDD on my secondary IDE and lost me some data. There was supposed
to be a manual on the CD. Instead there was a text file that stated
that a manual will be included at some future date, meanwhile visit a
web site and download the manual. Entering the URL given resulted in
a DNS error. Going to the site I downloaded the CD got me to a FAQ
that said read the manual on the disk.

If that isn't enough, you buy a supported distro like SuSE, Red Hat,
Mandriva, Linspire, Xandros, etc.. So all aspects are covered.
There are numerous other distros that specialise in
delivering performance, features, 64 bit operation faster than
any windoze crapola, virtualization, etc
http://www.distrowatch.com

OK, here's what should be an easy challenge for you. I would like to
get a Linux system doing one of the more common things I do under
Windoze. That is to put my camcorder videos onto DVD, and convert VHS
tapes to DVD.

Recommend an install that will allow me to cature video with my WinTV
card or FireWire card, edit the video and author a DVD. It will also
have to make use of my Creative SB X-Fi sound card for the audio, and
would be nice to have facillities to label the DVD using my
Lightscribe drive, but not essential.

My Yahoo email reply address on this post is valid, I have a spare
250GB HDD for the install and 2Mb/s (incoming) ADSL for any downloads
needed. I aamd *very* computer literate, and am prepared to spend
around 10 man-hours of genuinely trying to get such a thing running,
and far longer if it actually appears to be getting there. *If* the
hardware can be got working under Linux, I'm also willing to spend up
to £100 or so on application software. Ask me for any details about
my system that you like.

Or will you simply tell me that you've given me enough hints and clues
and if I can't figure it out from there then I must be a moron - which
is the position the Linux bods often resort to when they are
confronted with genuine reasons why a person might prefer Windoze.

 

[Linonut]

After takin' a swig o' grog, Cynic belched out this bit o' wisdom:

Feel free to explain how to get a WinTV card or a Creative SB X-Fi
sound card running on a Linux system.

The Win TV card is easy. When I popped one into my Debian desktop,
"discover" picked up on it and loaded the bt878 driver, and now I see it
as another audio/video device in my volume control applications and
media players. I didn't have to do a damn thing.

The Creative X-Fi is a different animal. I don't think it has been
reverse-engineered (yet). I'd take that issue up with Creative, it was
their decision to not support it under Linux.

Also maybe recommend a
reasonable video editing application that runs under Linux.

I've heard there are some, but have never tried video editing.

I don't
need anything too fancy, though the ability to author DVDs with Dolby
5.1 surround sound would be good.

Again, I'd check around. I burn only data DVDs at present.

 

[Pickled pigs knuckles]

Yes, Linux is an excellent system for use as a server. I used to use
them a lot for that purpose (I now use mainly dedicated boxes with
embedded processors for those purposes).

The problem is when you want a general purpose PC. I want my PC to
run email, usenet, CAD/CAM applications, wordprocessors, web browsing,
viewing of all common documents (pdf, doc, txt, bmp, jpg etc.),
webcam, sound capture, sound editing & conversion, video capture,
video editing & conversion, flight simulator, CD & DVD playback &
recording, VOIP, and playing back HD movies via the DVI port (not all
at the same time, obviously!)

Strange, I can do all that except the CAD/CAM, on my SuSE system.

I have tried various Linux systems, and quite frankly have not got
much past first base despite being highly computer literate, and
familiar with Linux and Unix in general. My last effort got me a
system that could browse the web, Usenet and email and do basic
wordprocessing and graphic editing, but little else.

<snip rest of Cynic's bullshit and lies>

Who told you you were "highly computer literate"? Your mom? Sister?
Yourself? Ever thought that person lied to you or was just more stupid than
you are, or that you're just fooling yourself?