This is an example of why Linux loses.

[peter.traphagen]

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....1dfaa168?lnk=gst&q=3d&rnum=1#d21712811dfaa168

The question------

just used tiny-nvidia-installer --update and it ran fine. Afterwards I
tried to load the X-Moto sports game, and it said that 3d acceleration
isn't on. What did I do wrong?

First reply----

Did you activatet 3D in sax2?
Joachim

Second reply---
Install the NVidia driver with the operating instrcions on the Nvidia
page :

http://www.nvidia.fr/object/linux_fr.html

(Isn't that what he just did?)

Third reply--
Open /etc/X11/xorg.conf in a text editor as root user. The "Device"
section should look similar to this...

Section "Device"
BoardName "GeForce 6800 GS"
Driver "nvidia"
Identifier "Device[0]"
Screen 0
VendorName "NVidia"
EndSection

If Driver is set to "nv" change it to "nvidia". Also check the
"Module" section...it should contain the following line...

Load "glx"

If it does not, add it, and remove any line from that section
with "DRI" in it. Save the file. Restart X and it should be
OK.

Failing that check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for a log of the X
server startup...any line with (WW) and/or (EE) with info
about "glx" may give a clue as to the problem preventing
hardware 3D from working...


Conclusion--- This is an A+ example of why Microsoft is winning and
Linux is losing. And losing badly.

 

[Pickled pigs knuckles]

(e-mail address removed) wrote:

Nothing worth reading.

 

[Peter Hayes]

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.suse/browse_frm/thread/
c758ceb51c31a183/d21712811dfaa168?lnk=gst&q=3d&rnum=1#d21712811dfaa168

The question------

just used tiny-nvidia-installer --update and it ran fine. Afterwards I
tried to load the X-Moto sports game, and it said that 3d acceleration
isn't on. What did I do wrong?

First reply----

Did you activatet 3D in sax2?
Joachim

Second reply---
Install the NVidia driver with the operating instrcions on the Nvidia
page :

http://www.nvidia.fr/object/linux_fr.html

(Isn't that what he just did?)

Third reply--
Open /etc/X11/xorg.conf in a text editor as root user. The "Device"
section should look similar to this...

Section "Device"
BoardName "GeForce 6800 GS"
Driver "nvidia"
Identifier "Device[0]"
Screen 0
VendorName "NVidia"
EndSection

If Driver is set to "nv" change it to "nvidia". Also check the
"Module" section...it should contain the following line...

Load "glx"

If it does not, add it, and remove any line from that section
with "DRI" in it. Save the file. Restart X and it should be
OK.

Failing that check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for a log of the X
server startup...any line with (WW) and/or (EE) with info
about "glx" may give a clue as to the problem preventing
hardware 3D from working...


Conclusion--- This is an A+ example of why Microsoft is winning and
Linux is losing. And losing badly.

Is this another example of flatfish+++ trawling (sorry) the SuSE groups
for alleged difficulties?

How is this tale any worse than editing the registry? For example, to
display a description of the computer in Network Neighborhood (Windows
2000) open your registry and find or create the key below.
Create a new String value, or modify the existing value, called
"srvcomment" and set it according to the value data below.

Exit your registry, you may need to restart or log out of Windows for
the change to take effect.

(Default) REG_SZ (value not set)
srvcomment REG_SZ Office print server

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\lanmans...

Registry Settings
System Key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\
lanmanserver\
parameters]]
Value Name: srvcomment
Data Type: REG_SZ (String Value)
Value Data: Enter a description for the computer

Now comes the killer,

Disclaimer: Modifying the registry can cause serious problems that may
require you to reinstall your operating system. We cannot guarantee that
problems resulting from modifications to the registry can be solved. Use
the information provided at your own risk.

[From <http://www.winguides.com/registry/display.php/1310/> ]

 

[Tony Pottrell]

Is this another example of flatfish+++ trawling (sorry) the SuSE groups

for alleged difficulties?

How is this tale any worse than editing the registry? For example, to
display a description of the computer in Network Neighborhood (Windows
2000) open your registry and find or create the key below.
Create a new String value, or modify the existing value, called
"srvcomment" and set it according to the value data below.

Exit your registry, you may need to restart or log out of Windows for
the change to take effect.

(Default) REG_SZ (value not set)
srvcomment REG_SZ Office print server

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\lanmans...

Registry Settings
System Key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\
lanmanserver\
parameters]]
Value Name: srvcomment
Data Type: REG_SZ (String Value)
Value Data: Enter a description for the computer

Now comes the killer,

Disclaimer: Modifying the registry can cause serious problems that may
require you to reinstall your operating system. We cannot guarantee that
problems resulting from modifications to the registry can be solved. Use
the information provided at your own risk.

[From <http://www.winguides.com/registry/display.php/1310/> ]

Except you can do the same thing thusly:

Start > Settings > Control Panel > Administrative Tools > Computer
Management

Right Click "Computer Management (Local)" > Properties > Network
Identification Tab



Tony

 

[JEDIDIAH]

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....1dfaa168?lnk=gst&q=3d&rnum=1#d21712811dfaa168

The question------

just used tiny-nvidia-installer --update and it ran fine. Afterwards I
tried to load the X-Moto sports game, and it said that 3d acceleration
isn't on. What did I do wrong?

First reply----

Did you activatet 3D in sax2?
Joachim

Second reply---
Install the NVidia driver with the operating instrcions on the Nvidia
page :

http://www.nvidia.fr/object/linux_fr.html

(Isn't that what he just did?)

Third reply--
Open /etc/X11/xorg.conf in a text editor as root user. The "Device"
section should look similar to this...

Section "Device"
BoardName "GeForce 6800 GS"
Driver "nvidia"
Identifier "Device[0]"
Screen 0
VendorName "NVidia"
EndSection

If Driver is set to "nv" change it to "nvidia". Also check the
"Module" section...it should contain the following line...

Load "glx"

If it does not, add it, and remove any line from that section
with "DRI" in it. Save the file. Restart X and it should be
OK.

Failing that check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for a log of the X
server startup...any line with (WW) and/or (EE) with info
about "glx" may give a clue as to the problem preventing
hardware 3D from working...


Conclusion--- This is an A+ example of why Microsoft is winning and
Linux is losing. And losing badly.

Linux is losing badly because EVERYTHING is transparent,
easy to find and simple to debug and is infact documented by those
that are providing applications that utilize the underlying OS
level facility?

I've had entire databases of that sort of crap setup
for when things go wrong in Windows games. Had a little bit
of it for games consoles to but nowhere near as much as for
Windows.

 

[flatfish+++]

Is this another example of flatfish+++ trawling (sorry) the SuSE groups
for alleged difficulties?

How is this tale any worse than editing the registry? For example, to
display a description of the computer in Network Neighborhood (Windows
2000) open your registry and find or create the key below.
Create a new String value, or modify the existing value, called
"srvcomment" and set it according to the value data below.

Exit your registry, you may need to restart or log out of Windows for
the change to take effect.

(Default) REG_SZ (value not set)
srvcomment REG_SZ Office print server

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\lanmans...

Registry Settings
System Key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\
lanmanserver\
parameters]]
Value Name: srvcomment
Data Type: REG_SZ (String Value)
Value Data: Enter a description for the computer

Now comes the killer,

Disclaimer: Modifying the registry can cause serious problems that may
require you to reinstall your operating system. We cannot guarantee that
problems resulting from modifications to the registry can be solved. Use
the information provided at your own risk.

[From <http://www.winguides.com/registry/display.php/1310/> ]

Except you can do the same thing thusly:

Start > Settings > Control Panel > Administrative Tools > Computer
Management

Right Click "Computer Management (Local)" > Properties > Network
Identification Tab



Tony

The Linux user always finds the most difficult, obtuse and potentially
dangerous method for doing anything.

I mean, why double click on an icon when you can write a script to do it
for you?

Maybe that's why they run Linux?

 

[John Anderton]

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....1dfaa168?lnk=gst&q=3d&rnum=1#d21712811dfaa168

Conclusion--- This is an A+ example of why Microsoft is winning and
Linux is losing.

No it's not. It's no worse than a lot of the stuff I've had to do to
fix Windows issues.

And losing badly.

Depends how you define losing. It seems to be doing quite nicely as far
as I can see but then I'm not expecting it to miraculously replace
Windows on every home PC by the end of the year.

So far, in my house, the tally is : 1 laptop running Windows (for
work), 1 desktop running Windows(for gaming), 2 desktops running Linux
(1 as a file server and general "doing stuff you can't do in Windows"
box and 1 as an internet facing http server).

Cheers,

John

 

[Peter Hayes]

Is this another example of flatfish+++ trawling (sorry) the SuSE
groups for alleged difficulties?
How is this tale any worse than editing the registry?
For example, to display a description of the
computer in Network Neighborhood (Windows 2000) open your registry
and find or create the key below. Create a new String value, or
modify the existing value, called "srvcomment" and set it according
to the value data below.
Exit your registry, you may need to restart
or log out of Windows for the change to take effect.
(Default) REG_SZ (value not set)
srvcomment REG_SZ Office print server
HKEY_ LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\lanmans...
Registry Settings
System Key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\
Services\ lanmanserver\ parameters]]
Value Name: srvcomment
Data Type: REG_SZ (String Value)
Value Data: Enter a description for the computer
Now comes the killer,
Disclaimer: Modifying the registry
can cause serious problems that may require you to reinstall your
operating system. We cannot guarantee that problems resulting from
modifications to the registry can be solved. Use the information
provided at your own risk.
[From <http://www.winguides.com/registry/display.php/1310/> ]

Except you can do the same thing thusly:

Start > Settings > Control Panel > Administrative Tools > Computer
Management

Right Click "Computer Management (Local)" > Properties > Network
Identification Tab

I can't find any "Network Identification Tab" when following your
example on my Windows 2000 machine. The path fails at the "Computer
Management (Local)" point - there's no (Local) and drilling down into
"Computer Management" > Properties doesn't reveal any "Network
Identification Tab".

There you go - that's what I get for being a smartass knowing nothing
about Windows.

But the essential point, that editing the Registry is substantially more
involved and potentially more dangerous than hacking xorg.conf is still
valid.

 

[Peter Hayes]

Lack of denial noted - I take that to be a plea of guilty as charged...

How is this tale any worse than editing the registry? For example,
to display a description of the computer in Network Neighborhood (
Windows 2000) open your registry and find or create the key below.
Create a new String value, or modify the existing value, called
"srvcomment" and set it according to the value data below.

Exit your registry, you may need to restart or log out of Windows
for the change to take effect. (Default) REG_SZ (value not set)
srvcomment REG_SZ Office print server

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\lanmans...

Registry Settings
System Key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\
lanmanserver\
parameters]]
Value Name: srvcomment
Data Type: REG_SZ (String Value)
Value Data: Enter a description for the computer

Now comes the killer,

Disclaimer: Modifying the registry can cause serious problems that
may require you to reinstall your operating system. We cannot
guarantee that problems resulting from modifications to the
registry can be solved. Use the information provided at your own
risk. [From <http://www.winguides.com/registry/display.php/1310/> ]

Except you can do the same thing thusly:

Start > Settings > Control Panel > Administrative Tools > Computer
Management

Right Click "Computer Management (Local)" > Properties > Network
Identification Tab



Tony

The Linux user always finds the most difficult, obtuse and potentially
dangerous method for doing anything.

I mean, why double click on an icon when you can write a script to do
it for you?

Maybe that's why they run Linux?

If that's the case why did winguides.com publish this allegedly
pointless hack?

 

[flatfish+++]

Lack of denial noted - I take that to be a plea of guilty as charged...

How is this tale any worse than editing the registry? For example,
to display a description of the computer in Network Neighborhood (
Windows 2000) open your registry and find or create the key below.
Create a new String value, or modify the existing value, called
"srvcomment" and set it according to the value data below.

Exit your registry, you may need to restart or log out of Windows
for the change to take effect. (Default) REG_SZ (value not set)
srvcomment REG_SZ Office print server

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\lanmans...

Registry Settings
System Key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\
lanmanserver\
parameters]]
Value Name: srvcomment
Data Type: REG_SZ (String Value)
Value Data: Enter a description for the computer

Now comes the killer,

Disclaimer: Modifying the registry can cause serious problems that
may require you to reinstall your operating system. We cannot
guarantee that problems resulting from modifications to the
registry can be solved. Use the information provided at your own
risk. [From <http://www.winguides.com/registry/display.php/1310/> ]


Except you can do the same thing thusly:

Start > Settings > Control Panel > Administrative Tools > Computer
Management

Right Click "Computer Management (Local)" > Properties > Network
Identification Tab



Tony

The Linux user always finds the most difficult, obtuse and potentially
dangerous method for doing anything.

I mean, why double click on an icon when you can write a script to do
it for you?

Maybe that's why they run Linux?

If that's the case why did winguides.com publish this allegedly
pointless hack?

Probably to screw with the Linux loopys that seem to hang out in places
like that.

 

[Tony Pottrell]

I can't find any "Network Identification Tab" when following your

example on my Windows 2000 machine. The path fails at the "Computer
Management (Local)" point - there's no (Local) and drilling down into
"Computer Management" > Properties doesn't reveal any "Network
Identification Tab".

There may be some difference between Windows 2000 Pro and Home in this
area, which may explain the article you found...

 

[JDS]

Conclusion--- This is an A+ example of why Microsoft is winning and Linux
is losing. And losing badly.

What? You can't install a driver using instructions? And that proves that
Linux is losing?

Well, how about leveling the playing field here a bit. How many Windows
users *EVER*

1) install Windows?
2) install drivers?
3) do any kind of "fancy" system stuff, like, say, installing a new piece
of hardware?

If you are capable of installing a driver or new hardware in Windows, you
are capable of doing it in Linux. If you are capable of using a fully
configured, preinstalled Windows PC, you are capable of using a fully
configured, preinstalled Linux PC.

This whole line of logic is so much FUD it is ree-dick-u-luss.

later...

 

[Cynic]

No it's not. It's no worse than a lot of the stuff I've had to do to
fix Windows issues.


Depends how you define losing. It seems to be doing quite nicely as far
as I can see but then I'm not expecting it to miraculously replace
Windows on every home PC by the end of the year.

So far, in my house, the tally is : 1 laptop running Windows (for
work), 1 desktop running Windows(for gaming), 2 desktops running Linux
(1 as a file server and general "doing stuff you can't do in Windows"
box and 1 as an internet facing http server).

Yes, Linux is an excellent system for use as a server. I used to use
them a lot for that purpose (I now use mainly dedicated boxes with
embedded processors for those purposes).

The problem is when you want a general purpose PC. I want my PC to
run email, usenet, CAD/CAM applications, wordprocessors, web browsing,
viewing of all common documents (pdf, doc, txt, bmp, jpg etc.),
webcam, sound capture, sound editing & conversion, video capture,
video editing & conversion, flight simulator, CD & DVD playback &
recording, VOIP, and playing back HD movies via the DVI port (not all
at the same time, obviously!)

I have tried various Linux systems, and quite frankly have not got
much past first base despite being highly computer literate, and
familiar with Linux and Unix in general. My last effort got me a
system that could browse the web, Usenet and email and do basic
wordprocessing and graphic editing, but little else. I could not find
a Linux driver for my RAID card, so I lost most of my storage
capacity. My FireWire card was likewise useless, so I could not
capture from my camcorder - though little use that would have been
without a video editor. My WinTV card has no Linux driver so no video
capture either. The install will only run my graphics card in VGA
mode, though I expect that could be fixed after scouring the web and
experimenting for a couple of weeks. I can burn CDs with it, but not
print any labels for them. It will not recognise my sound card, so my
PC is deaf & dumb. I expect that I could find a Linux driver to run
the motherboard USB chipset, but as there would be no drivers for my
webcam or most other USB devices there would be little point in taking
the trouble.

So all in all I get a system that is fast and lean, but will do less
than 10% of what I need. It's presently sat on a removable HDD
gathering dust.

 

[Cynic]

Well, how about leveling the playing field here a bit. How many Windows
users *EVER*

1) install Windows?

Probably not many, though I know several teenagers who have had no
problem doing so.

2) install drivers?

Most of them.

3) do any kind of "fancy" system stuff, like, say, installing a new piece
of hardware?

Most of them.

If you are capable of installing a driver or new hardware in Windows, you
are capable of doing it in Linux.

OK, I have installed drivers on W2K for (1) my WinTV card, (2) My RAID
card, (3) My FireWire card (4) My Webcam (5) My sound card to name
only 5.

In each case, the installation consisted of inserting the CD that came
with the hardware and clicking on 3 or 4 "OK" buttons.

I have not found a way to install any of those things on my Linux
system, and there is nothing on any of the installation CDs that
assists me.

 

[John Anderton]

I have tried various Linux systems, and quite frankly have not got
much past first base despite being highly computer literate, and
familiar with Linux and Unix in general. My last effort got me a
system that could browse the web, Usenet and email and do basic
wordprocessing and graphic editing, but little else. I could not find
a Linux driver for my RAID card, so I lost most of my storage
capacity. My FireWire card was likewise useless, so I could not
capture from my camcorder - though little use that would have been
without a video editor. My WinTV card has no Linux driver so no video
capture either. The install will only run my graphics card in VGA
mode, though I expect that could be fixed after scouring the web and
experimenting for a couple of weeks. I can burn CDs with it, but not
print any labels for them. It will not recognise my sound card, so my
PC is deaf & dumb. I expect that I could find a Linux driver to run
the motherboard USB chipset, but as there would be no drivers for my
webcam or most other USB devices there would be little point in taking
the trouble.

How long ago was this ? I've found recently, especially with
Mandrake/Mandriva, that it's getting more and more unlikely that cards
such as you mention above won't work.

I've installed Mandriva on 4 PCs in the last year, of widely varying
specs (I tend to replace my whole system about every 2 years so these
boxes are around 2, 4, 6 and 8 years old) and not had any cards fail to
work properly

Cheers,

John

 

[Cynic]

How long ago was this ?

Around June this year.

I've found recently, especially with
Mandrake/Mandriva, that it's getting more and more unlikely that cards
such as you mention above won't work.

Not tried those Linux versions, but tried plenty of others.

I've installed Mandriva on 4 PCs in the last year, of widely varying
specs (I tend to replace my whole system about every 2 years so these
boxes are around 2, 4, 6 and 8 years old) and not had any cards fail to
work properly

I have been told o numerous occasions, "Try this version of Linux -
you won't have any problems." And I always do.

 

[Martin]

The Linux user always finds the most difficult, obtuse and potentially
dangerous method for doing anything.

I mean, why double click on an icon when you can write a script to do it
for you?

Maybe that's why they run Linux?

Try it over a remote connection where you only have a couple-k of spare
bandwidth to use.

I know which I'd prefer.

 

[JEDIDIAH]

Yes, Linux is an excellent system for use as a server. I used to use
them a lot for that purpose (I now use mainly dedicated boxes with
embedded processors for those purposes).

The problem is when you want a general purpose PC. I want my PC to
run email, usenet, CAD/CAM applications, wordprocessors, web browsing,
viewing of all common documents (pdf, doc, txt, bmp, jpg etc.),
webcam, sound capture, sound editing & conversion, video capture,
video editing & conversion, flight simulator, CD & DVD playback &
recording, VOIP, and playing back HD movies via the DVI port (not all
at the same time, obviously!)

I have tried various Linux systems, and quite frankly have not got
much past first base despite being highly computer literate, and
familiar with Linux and Unix in general. My last effort got me a
system that could browse the web, Usenet and email and do basic
wordprocessing and graphic editing, but little else. I could not find
a Linux driver for my RAID card, so I lost most of my storage

...that would be rather odd considering the fact that
Linux is "primarily" a SERVER platform. There have been vendor
supported professional grade RAID cards for years, possibly
decades at this point. That you would have an unsupported RAID
card is an odd idea.

OTOH, there are plenty of cards that are listed in the
RAID Howto as not really RAID cards.

capacity. My FireWire card was likewise useless, so I could not
capture from my camcorder - though little use that would have been
without a video editor. My WinTV card has no Linux driver so no video

I find that rather hard to believe considering that Hauppauge
cards have been supported in Linux for a LONG time. I added 878 support
to the bttv driver MYSELF. The current PVR cards are supported and are
actually the PREFERED SD capture cards for MythTV.

[deletia]

...couldn't say about the firewire card.

Although I've not had any problems with various cards and
embedded chipsets including several laptops and highly integrated
mATX motherboards. I've been using Linux firewire for at least
3 years.

As far as the video editor goes: you could certainly
criticize what Linux has but you can't reasonably say that
Linux doesn't have anything. Some editors even provide an
interface for doing the dvgrab.

 

[Linonut]

After takin' a swig o' grog, Cynic belched out this bit o' wisdom:

I have tried various Linux systems, and quite frankly have not got
much past first base despite being highly computer literate, and
familiar with Linux and Unix in general. My last effort got me a
system that could browse the web, Usenet and email and do basic
wordprocessing and graphic editing, but little else. I could not find
a Linux driver for my RAID card, so I lost most of my storage
capacity. My FireWire card was likewise useless, so I could not
capture from my camcorder - though little use that would have been
without a video editor. My WinTV card has no Linux driver so no video
capture either. The install will only run my graphics card in VGA
mode, though I expect that could be fixed after scouring the web and
experimenting for a couple of weeks. I can burn CDs with it, but not
print any labels for them. It will not recognise my sound card, so my
PC is deaf & dumb. I expect that I could find a Linux driver to run
the motherboard USB chipset, but as there would be no drivers for my
webcam or most other USB devices there would be little point in taking
the trouble.

I'm cynical about your post.

 

[JEDIDIAH]

Probably not many, though I know several teenagers who have had no
problem doing so.

Most of them.

Most of them.


OK, I have installed drivers on W2K for (1) my WinTV card, (2) My RAID
card, (3) My FireWire card (4) My Webcam (5) My sound card to name
only 5.

Wow, a 5 time loser.

ivtv admittedly isn't as seamless as it should be.

However, the rest is probably bogus.

In each case, the installation consisted of inserting the CD that came
with the hardware and clicking on 3 or 4 "OK" buttons.

I have not found a way to install any of those things on my Linux
system, and there is nothing on any of the installation CDs that
assists me.

I don't believe that you've ever tried to install Linux
on ANY system. Given that you've installed those 5 drivers then
you should also have been able to tell us exactly what hardware
was a problem.