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Burt
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Arthur Entlich
You may very well be correct about peanut butter, since there isn't much
more to it than peanuts and salt (with the better quality) and peanuts,
icing sugar and hydrogenated oils in the lower quality (like Peter Pan
and Walmart). I would hardly call Peter Pan Peanut butter "High End"
(maybe I'd call it overpriced ;-)). There just isn't much you can do to
make peanut butter differently beyond that. Of course, they could use
different types of oils, if they are added at all.
However, your broad logic falls down VERY rapidly when it comes to more
complex products, including corn flakes. Just READ the labels between
the brand name and "non-branded" goods. You'll almost definitely notice
that the order of ingredients is different, the number and types of
additives are different, the types of sugars may be different, as some
sugars are cheaper than others.
I managed a grocery store some years ago, and I had some insight into
the way the brands and product lines were made. While some simpler
product might have been identical.
I buy peanut butter which is a no-name brand, it costs less than Peter
Pan, and it's ingredients: fresh roasted peanuts, salt. Tastes
amazingly like fresh peanuts. Has a short shelf-life. I keep in in the
fridge once open.
The same holds for inks. In most cases, the identical formulation is
not offered due to licensing and patent agreements. There are a lot of
components to printer ink formulas. However, that doesn't mean the 3rd
party product is inferior. In some cases, it might even be superior.
Art
more to it than peanuts and salt (with the better quality) and peanuts,
icing sugar and hydrogenated oils in the lower quality (like Peter Pan
and Walmart). I would hardly call Peter Pan Peanut butter "High End"
(maybe I'd call it overpriced ;-)). There just isn't much you can do to
make peanut butter differently beyond that. Of course, they could use
different types of oils, if they are added at all.
However, your broad logic falls down VERY rapidly when it comes to more
complex products, including corn flakes. Just READ the labels between
the brand name and "non-branded" goods. You'll almost definitely notice
that the order of ingredients is different, the number and types of
additives are different, the types of sugars may be different, as some
sugars are cheaper than others.
I managed a grocery store some years ago, and I had some insight into
the way the brands and product lines were made. While some simpler
product might have been identical.
I buy peanut butter which is a no-name brand, it costs less than Peter
Pan, and it's ingredients: fresh roasted peanuts, salt. Tastes
amazingly like fresh peanuts. Has a short shelf-life. I keep in in the
fridge once open.
The same holds for inks. In most cases, the identical formulation is
not offered due to licensing and patent agreements. There are a lot of
components to printer ink formulas. However, that doesn't mean the 3rd
party product is inferior. In some cases, it might even be superior.
Art
A
Arthur Entlich
LOL. My wife just picked up this soda pop yesterday for the first time
(ours is the one with real sugar) but it does indeed look like magenta ink!)
Art
(ours is the one with real sugar) but it does indeed look like magenta ink!)
Art
J
Jerry1111
Jim said:[...]Arthur said:I haven't seen good ASCII art in years.
I though it was rather good as well!
Just copied from some webpage (I was actually surprised that those
webpages still exist). So it's not mine, I've no idea who's the author -
but he did a great job with that!
And please, really stop feeding the troll ;-)
N
NotMe
| You may very well be correct about peanut butter, since there isn't much
| more to it than peanuts and salt (with the better quality) and peanuts,
| icing sugar and hydrogenated oils in the lower quality (like Peter Pan
| and Wal-Mart). I would hardly call Peter Pan Peanut butter "High End"
| (maybe I'd call it overpriced ;-)). There just isn't much you can do to
| make peanut butter differently beyond that. Of course, they could use
| different types of oils, if they are added at all.
|
| However, your broad logic falls down VERY rapidly when it comes to more
| complex products, including corn flakes. Just READ the labels between
| the brand name and "non-branded" goods. You'll almost definitely notice
| that the order of ingredients is different, the number and types of
| additives are different, the types of sugars may be different, as some
| sugars are cheaper than others.
|
| I managed a grocery store some years ago, and I had some insight into
| the way the brands and product lines were made. While some simpler
| product might have been identical.
|
| I buy peanut butter which is a no-name brand, it costs less than Peter
| Pan, and it's ingredients: fresh roasted peanuts, salt. Tastes
| amazingly like fresh peanuts. Has a short shelf-life. I keep in in the
| fridge once open.
|
| The same holds for inks. In most cases, the identical formulation is
| not offered due to licensing and patent agreements. There are a lot of
| components to printer ink formulas. However, that doesn't mean the 3rd
| party product is inferior. In some cases, it might even be superior.
|
| Art
I make no point with regard to what's in or not in corn flakes. Only that
the one product (PB) was mass produced at one plant and sold under separate
brand and at widely varying prices. The reality is the perception that all
high end/high cost peanut butter and OEM ink are inherently better i.e.
worth the extra money.
As an engineer I've had personal experience with 'reagent grade' and
standard grade chemicals. I've also been involved in the design of the
plants that manufacture these products. Hint: in many cases (but not all)
the only difference is the label and the price point.
FWIW early on in the quest for less expensive ink we ran chemical analysis
of the OEM and aftermarket inks (a very small sample but enough to be
statistically useful) and found while there were variations in the chemical
make up among the OEM and the aftermarket inks these were insignificant and
had no impact on the performance in our test. Interestingly enough the
standard deviation distribution statistics between batches of OEM ink tracks
the standard deviations distribution statistics on batches of the
aftermarket inks. To coin a phrase 'close enough for government work'.
Perhaps I should mention these test were run using equipment at major
teaching/R&D universities and companies (who's name shall remain unsaid to
protect the guilty) to settle a bar bet for a group of engineers and
chemist. The process is called 'reverse engineering' and has been raised to
an art form.
I should qualify that these test did not validate all aftermarket vendors
only the ones we tested. Subsequent real world usage indicates that the
assertion that ONLY OEM ink should be employed is false.
FWIW in our studios we burn through about the same number of printers using
aftermarket ink as we did using only OEM ink.
The hard reality is that in our admittedly heavy use (several graphic arts
studios that use more ink then coffee) IF we experience twice the failure
rate (which we have not) of printers using aftermarket ink vs. using only
OEM ink we are still way ahead at the bean counter level.
As to the quality of the end product, our clients, their professional
printers and our own staff cannot tell the difference except by using
sophisticated color calibration equipment. Even then the variations
observed are well within the expected/predicted standard deviation.
At our recommendation the local school system is now using aftermarket ink.
They are years ahead on savings and have yet to replace a printer for
mechanical failure attributable to an ink problem.
Real world hard experience trumps 'theory' every time.
| more to it than peanuts and salt (with the better quality) and peanuts,
| icing sugar and hydrogenated oils in the lower quality (like Peter Pan
| and Wal-Mart). I would hardly call Peter Pan Peanut butter "High End"
| (maybe I'd call it overpriced ;-)). There just isn't much you can do to
| make peanut butter differently beyond that. Of course, they could use
| different types of oils, if they are added at all.
|
| However, your broad logic falls down VERY rapidly when it comes to more
| complex products, including corn flakes. Just READ the labels between
| the brand name and "non-branded" goods. You'll almost definitely notice
| that the order of ingredients is different, the number and types of
| additives are different, the types of sugars may be different, as some
| sugars are cheaper than others.
|
| I managed a grocery store some years ago, and I had some insight into
| the way the brands and product lines were made. While some simpler
| product might have been identical.
|
| I buy peanut butter which is a no-name brand, it costs less than Peter
| Pan, and it's ingredients: fresh roasted peanuts, salt. Tastes
| amazingly like fresh peanuts. Has a short shelf-life. I keep in in the
| fridge once open.
|
| The same holds for inks. In most cases, the identical formulation is
| not offered due to licensing and patent agreements. There are a lot of
| components to printer ink formulas. However, that doesn't mean the 3rd
| party product is inferior. In some cases, it might even be superior.
|
| Art
I make no point with regard to what's in or not in corn flakes. Only that
the one product (PB) was mass produced at one plant and sold under separate
brand and at widely varying prices. The reality is the perception that all
high end/high cost peanut butter and OEM ink are inherently better i.e.
worth the extra money.
As an engineer I've had personal experience with 'reagent grade' and
standard grade chemicals. I've also been involved in the design of the
plants that manufacture these products. Hint: in many cases (but not all)
the only difference is the label and the price point.
FWIW early on in the quest for less expensive ink we ran chemical analysis
of the OEM and aftermarket inks (a very small sample but enough to be
statistically useful) and found while there were variations in the chemical
make up among the OEM and the aftermarket inks these were insignificant and
had no impact on the performance in our test. Interestingly enough the
standard deviation distribution statistics between batches of OEM ink tracks
the standard deviations distribution statistics on batches of the
aftermarket inks. To coin a phrase 'close enough for government work'.
Perhaps I should mention these test were run using equipment at major
teaching/R&D universities and companies (who's name shall remain unsaid to
protect the guilty) to settle a bar bet for a group of engineers and
chemist. The process is called 'reverse engineering' and has been raised to
an art form.
I should qualify that these test did not validate all aftermarket vendors
only the ones we tested. Subsequent real world usage indicates that the
assertion that ONLY OEM ink should be employed is false.
FWIW in our studios we burn through about the same number of printers using
aftermarket ink as we did using only OEM ink.
The hard reality is that in our admittedly heavy use (several graphic arts
studios that use more ink then coffee) IF we experience twice the failure
rate (which we have not) of printers using aftermarket ink vs. using only
OEM ink we are still way ahead at the bean counter level.
As to the quality of the end product, our clients, their professional
printers and our own staff cannot tell the difference except by using
sophisticated color calibration equipment. Even then the variations
observed are well within the expected/predicted standard deviation.
At our recommendation the local school system is now using aftermarket ink.
They are years ahead on savings and have yet to replace a printer for
mechanical failure attributable to an ink problem.
Real world hard experience trumps 'theory' every time.
B
Burt
Art - this must be a Canadian product. I haven't seen it in SF.
B
Burt
NotMe said:| You may very well be correct about peanut butter, since there isn't much
| more to it than peanuts and salt (with the better quality) and peanuts,
| icing sugar and hydrogenated oils in the lower quality (like Peter Pan
| and Wal-Mart). I would hardly call Peter Pan Peanut butter "High End"
| (maybe I'd call it overpriced ;-)). There just isn't much you can do to
| make peanut butter differently beyond that. Of course, they could use
| different types of oils, if they are added at all.
|
| However, your broad logic falls down VERY rapidly when it comes to more
| complex products, including corn flakes. Just READ the labels between
| the brand name and "non-branded" goods. You'll almost definitely notice
| that the order of ingredients is different, the number and types of
| additives are different, the types of sugars may be different, as some
| sugars are cheaper than others.
|
| I managed a grocery store some years ago, and I had some insight into
| the way the brands and product lines were made. While some simpler
| product might have been identical.
|
| I buy peanut butter which is a no-name brand, it costs less than Peter
| Pan, and it's ingredients: fresh roasted peanuts, salt. Tastes
| amazingly like fresh peanuts. Has a short shelf-life. I keep in in the
| fridge once open.
|
| The same holds for inks. In most cases, the identical formulation is
| not offered due to licensing and patent agreements. There are a lot of
| components to printer ink formulas. However, that doesn't mean the 3rd
| party product is inferior. In some cases, it might even be superior.
|
| Art
I make no point with regard to what's in or not in corn flakes. Only that
the one product (PB) was mass produced at one plant and sold under
separate
brand and at widely varying prices. The reality is the perception that
all
high end/high cost peanut butter and OEM ink are inherently better i.e.
worth the extra money.
As an engineer I've had personal experience with 'reagent grade' and
standard grade chemicals. I've also been involved in the design of the
plants that manufacture these products. Hint: in many cases (but not all)
the only difference is the label and the price point.
FWIW early on in the quest for less expensive ink we ran chemical analysis
of the OEM and aftermarket inks (a very small sample but enough to be
statistically useful) and found while there were variations in the
chemical
make up among the OEM and the aftermarket inks these were insignificant
and
had no impact on the performance in our test. Interestingly enough the
standard deviation distribution statistics between batches of OEM ink
tracks
the standard deviations distribution statistics on batches of the
aftermarket inks. To coin a phrase 'close enough for government work'.
Perhaps I should mention these test were run using equipment at major
teaching/R&D universities and companies (who's name shall remain unsaid to
protect the guilty) to settle a bar bet for a group of engineers and
chemist. The process is called 'reverse engineering' and has been raised
to
an art form.
I should qualify that these test did not validate all aftermarket vendors
only the ones we tested. Subsequent real world usage indicates that the
assertion that ONLY OEM ink should be employed is false.
FWIW in our studios we burn through about the same number of printers
using
aftermarket ink as we did using only OEM ink.
The hard reality is that in our admittedly heavy use (several graphic arts
studios that use more ink then coffee) IF we experience twice the failure
rate (which we have not) of printers using aftermarket ink vs. using only
OEM ink we are still way ahead at the bean counter level.
As to the quality of the end product, our clients, their professional
printers and our own staff cannot tell the difference except by using
sophisticated color calibration equipment. Even then the variations
observed are well within the expected/predicted standard deviation.
At our recommendation the local school system is now using aftermarket
ink.
They are years ahead on savings and have yet to replace a printer for
mechanical failure attributable to an ink problem.
Real world hard experience trumps 'theory' every time.
and both trump blind, rant and rave, bias.
A
Arthur Entlich
I'm a great believer in empirical results and personal experience, and I
think we are in basic agreement when it comes to inks.
I will say that there are certainly classes of inks which can vary
significantly in performance. Dye inks aren't pigment inks and their
characteristics do show up in matters such as fade resistance, how they
penetrate papers surfaces, if they are waterproof, etc.
Some manufacturers "reverse engineer" inks well, and some are less
capable or willing. I have seen several ink sets recalled for one color
failing (in both OEM and 3rd party), so it isn't always as simple as
following an ingredient list and getting the exact replica, even with
well accomplished reverse engineering, and there are lawsuits sometimes
when OEMs get threatened.
It comes down to finding a quality product line at your price point and
sticking with it as long as it performs.
Art
think we are in basic agreement when it comes to inks.
I will say that there are certainly classes of inks which can vary
significantly in performance. Dye inks aren't pigment inks and their
characteristics do show up in matters such as fade resistance, how they
penetrate papers surfaces, if they are waterproof, etc.
Some manufacturers "reverse engineer" inks well, and some are less
capable or willing. I have seen several ink sets recalled for one color
failing (in both OEM and 3rd party), so it isn't always as simple as
following an ingredient list and getting the exact replica, even with
well accomplished reverse engineering, and there are lawsuits sometimes
when OEMs get threatened.
It comes down to finding a quality product line at your price point and
sticking with it as long as it performs.
Art
A
Arthur Entlich
Why, of course, didn't you know Pomegranate was Canada's number one
agricultural crop after pot? ;-)
Back in the good old days it was called grenadine.
Art
agricultural crop after pot? ;-)
Back in the good old days it was called grenadine.
Art
R
Ray
I'm a great believer in empirical results and personal experience, and I
think we are in basic agreement when it comes to inks.
I will say that there are certainly classes of inks which can vary
significantly in performance. Dye inks aren't pigment inks and their
characteristics do show up in matters such as fade resistance, how they
penetrate papers surfaces, if they are waterproof, etc.
Some manufacturers "reverse engineer" inks well, and some are less
capable or willing. I have seen several ink sets recalled for one color
failing (in both OEM and 3rd party), so it isn't always as simple as
following an ingredient list and getting the exact replica, even with
well accomplished reverse engineering, and there are lawsuits sometimes
when OEMs get threatened.
It comes down to finding a quality product line at your price point and
sticking with it as long as it performs.
Art
I have a Canon IP5000. I have tried a number of aftermarket inks.
While the color match is not too bad I have yet to find one that has
fade resistance of the Canon product. I refill for my non critical
work. Can you tell me of a bulk ink that has fade resistance that is
comparable to Canon?
B
Burt
Art - Grenadine syrup is a product well known to any pub crawler, but I
didn't know that there was a pomegranate soda pop. Glad to see that Canada
is stepping up to the need to provide happy herbs to our North American
continent.
didn't know that there was a pomegranate soda pop. Glad to see that Canada
is stepping up to the need to provide happy herbs to our North American
continent.
B
Burt
Ray said:I have a Canon IP5000. I have tried a number of aftermarket inks.
While the color match is not too bad I have yet to find one that has
fade resistance of the Canon product. I refill for my non critical
work. Can you tell me of a bulk ink that has fade resistance that is
comparable to Canon?
Sign onto the Nifty-stuff forum and look up the fade tests by Grandad35.
These were accelerated fade tests done with continuous exposure to UV light.
None of the ink sets were as resistant to fading as Canon OEM inks. Each
ink set had a particular color that began to fade before the others.
Interesting results and worth the read.
M
measekite
Ray wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:16:58 GMT, Arthur Entlich <[email protected]> wrote:
I'm a great believer in empirical results and personal experience, and I think we are in basic agreement when it comes to inks. I will say that there are certainly classes of inks which can vary significantly in performance. Dye inks aren't pigment inks and their characteristics do show up in matters such as fade resistance, how they penetrate papers surfaces, if they are waterproof, etc. Some manufacturers "reverse engineer" inks well, and some are less capable or willing. I have seen several ink sets recalled for one color failing (in both OEM and 3rd party), so it isn't always as simple as following an ingredient list and getting the exact replica, even with well accomplished reverse engineering, and there are lawsuits sometimes when OEMs get threatened. It comes down to finding a quality product line at your price point and sticking with it as long as it performs. Art
I have a Canon IP5000. I have tried a number of aftermarket inks. While the color match is not too bad I have yet to find one that has fade resistance of the Canon product.
That is what I have been saying for a long time.
I refill for my non critical work. Can you tell me of a bulk ink that has fade resistance that is comparable to Canon?
Absolutely, Epson and HP as well as Canon
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:16:58 GMT, Arthur Entlich <[email protected]> wrote:
I'm a great believer in empirical results and personal experience, and I think we are in basic agreement when it comes to inks. I will say that there are certainly classes of inks which can vary significantly in performance. Dye inks aren't pigment inks and their characteristics do show up in matters such as fade resistance, how they penetrate papers surfaces, if they are waterproof, etc. Some manufacturers "reverse engineer" inks well, and some are less capable or willing. I have seen several ink sets recalled for one color failing (in both OEM and 3rd party), so it isn't always as simple as following an ingredient list and getting the exact replica, even with well accomplished reverse engineering, and there are lawsuits sometimes when OEMs get threatened. It comes down to finding a quality product line at your price point and sticking with it as long as it performs. Art
I have a Canon IP5000. I have tried a number of aftermarket inks. While the color match is not too bad I have yet to find one that has fade resistance of the Canon product.
That is what I have been saying for a long time.
I refill for my non critical work. Can you tell me of a bulk ink that has fade resistance that is comparable to Canon?
Absolutely, Epson and HP as well as Canon
R
Ray
Sign onto the Nifty-stuff forum and look up the fade tests by Grandad35.
These were accelerated fade tests done with continuous exposure to UV light.
None of the ink sets were as resistant to fading as Canon OEM inks. Each
ink set had a particular color that began to fade before the others.
Interesting results and worth the read.
Thank you. Yes it is interesting. It looks like aftermarket ink is
fine for throw away's, but not for anything I want to keep. I wonder
why aftermarket ink manufactures can't make ink that is fade
resistant? It does not seem like rocket science.
M
measekite
Ray wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:14:13 GMT, "Burt" <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a Canon IP5000. I have tried a number of aftermarket inks. While the color match is not too bad I have yet to find one that has fade resistance of the Canon product. I refill for my non critical work. Can you tell me of a bulk ink that has fade resistance that is comparable to Canon?
Sign onto the Nifty-stuff forum and look up the fade tests by Grandad35. These were accelerated fade tests done with continuous exposure to UV light. None of the ink sets were as resistant to fading as Canon OEM inks. Each ink set had a particular color that began to fade before the others. Interesting results and worth the read.
Thank you. Yes it is interesting. It looks like aftermarket ink is fine for throw away's, but not for anything I want to keep.
Only if it does not damage the printhead and if your print load is heavy. And if that is the case then buy a 2nd inkjet. Use the OEM ink carts in the printer where you want good results. Use the other printer with the crap ink where you do not care about the results. Many times you can get a new Canon for almost the same as a new set of carts. At least you are not disguising the truth like some do here. But that is there livelyhood.
I wonder why aftermarket ink manufactures can't make ink that is fade resistant? It does not seem like rocket science.
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:14:13 GMT, "Burt" <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a Canon IP5000. I have tried a number of aftermarket inks. While the color match is not too bad I have yet to find one that has fade resistance of the Canon product. I refill for my non critical work. Can you tell me of a bulk ink that has fade resistance that is comparable to Canon?
Sign onto the Nifty-stuff forum and look up the fade tests by Grandad35. These were accelerated fade tests done with continuous exposure to UV light. None of the ink sets were as resistant to fading as Canon OEM inks. Each ink set had a particular color that began to fade before the others. Interesting results and worth the read.
Thank you. Yes it is interesting. It looks like aftermarket ink is fine for throw away's, but not for anything I want to keep.
Only if it does not damage the printhead and if your print load is heavy. And if that is the case then buy a 2nd inkjet. Use the OEM ink carts in the printer where you want good results. Use the other printer with the crap ink where you do not care about the results. Many times you can get a new Canon for almost the same as a new set of carts. At least you are not disguising the truth like some do here. But that is there livelyhood.
I wonder why aftermarket ink manufactures can't make ink that is fade resistant? It does not seem like rocket science.
F
Frank
measekite wrote:
----------misleading lying bs crap deleted--------
Uhhh...you're giving advice on something which, by your own admission,
you have never, ever used.
IOW, you have no practical experience using, so you don't know what
you're talking about.
Do you think the op is as dumb as you are?
Frank
----------misleading lying bs crap deleted--------
Uhhh...you're giving advice on something which, by your own admission,
you have never, ever used.
IOW, you have no practical experience using, so you don't know what
you're talking about.
Do you think the op is as dumb as you are?
Frank
T
theory4debate
I have a Canon IP5000. I have tried a number of aftermarket inks.
While the color match is not too bad I have yet to find one that has
fade resistance of the Canon product. I refill for my non critical
work. Can you tell me of a bulk ink that has fade resistance that is
comparable to Canon?- Hide quoted text -
Ray,
Please tell me your results on which aftermaket ink you actually
tried. I want to know how your aftermarket ink result were. I'm
specifially looking for comparing OEM ink with aftermarket for PHOTOS
only.
I know somebody who tried Hobbicolors and they have very easy system
with virgin catridges included, excellent price, excellent customer
service, however the photos make a person with black hair look like
grey hair. I'm looking for another vendor. Right now I'm leaning
towards somebody who sells Image Specialist.
Stan
F
Frank
Hey you...why are you telling us about somebody else who boughtI know somebody who tried Hobbicolors and they have very easy system
with virgin catridges included, excellent price, excellent customer
service, however the photos make a person with black hair look like
grey hair. I'm looking for another vendor. Right now I'm leaning
towards somebody who sells Image Specialist.
Stan
hobbicolors?
What does that have to do with you?
You are the only person to ever post to this ng who has not (well not
you, but the person you're supposedly talking about) had excellent
results with hobbicolors ink.
Now you come clean and tell us whats wrong with this picture, huh?
NO LYING!!!
Frank
R
Red Fox
mark_digital© said:But you knew they were dinky when you bought your printer didn't you?
I didn't see the cartridge before I bought the printer and I did not mind a
dinky cartridge - it's the high cost for that cartridge that bugged me.
RF
R
Ray
Ray,
Please tell me your results on which aftermaket ink you actually
tried. I want to know how your aftermarket ink result were. I'm
specifially looking for comparing OEM ink with aftermarket for PHOTOS
only.
I know somebody who tried Hobbicolors and they have very easy system
with virgin catridges included, excellent price, excellent customer
service, however the photos make a person with black hair look like
grey hair. I'm looking for another vendor. Right now I'm leaning
towards somebody who sells Image Specialist.
Stan
I do a fair amount of printing and in an effort to keep down printing
costs I have tried aftermarket ink. I noticed that photographs that I
printed and hung on the wall unprotected started looking pretty bad in
a couple of months. Being a retired engineer I enjoy testing. I
bought G&G, Atlas Copy, MIS, and Inktec ink. The control were BCI6
and CLI8 ink from Canon. I printed color stripes at 25, 50, 75, and
100% saturation of cyan, magenta, yellow and black on Epson, Canon,
Costco, and Kodak paper. Gray scale provides a quick check for color
match. Since below 80% gray is printed with color ink, the closer it
is to gray the better the match.
The printed samples were exposed to a 5 watt UV lamp for up to 4 hours
with half of each sample exposed. The other half was protected. The
worst samples were almost colorless after 4 hours. I then compared
the samples to check relative fading. The Canon CLI8 ink was less
than twice as fade resistant as compared to the BCI6. The next best
performer was MIS which faded about 20 times faster than the CLI8 ink.
The other inks faded somewhat worse, with different colors fading
most. MIS had the best color match, G&G was pretty bad on the cyan.
Except for the Kodak paper which did poorly there was not too much
difference in the paper. I rated them Canon worst, Costco next, and
Epson Premium Glossy the best.
So my solution is one printer for throw away's which I refill with MIS
ink, and one printer with CLI8 ink for photos. I have prints with the
CLI8 ink that have been hung for a year that look as good as recently
printed ones and MIS prints of the same vintage that look truly
horrible because of fading and color shift.
From my tests and those posted on Nifty Forum I have not seen any
aftermarket ink that is any near as fade resistant as the Canon. I
would love to be proven wrong.
I have the samples that I tested and could post them when I come back
from my 6 month vacation in Hawaii.
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