THE SETTING ON MY "CHECK FOR NEW MESSAGES EVERY" DOES NOT GO BELOW

S

STEVE

HI... I AM CURRENTLY RELYING ON OUTLOOK EXPRESS FOR JOBS BEING SENT TO ME.
HERE'S MY PROBLEM. I AM A REAL ESTATE APPRAISER AND I RECEIVE A NOTICE BY
WAY OF AN EMAIL FROM A LENDER THAT AN APPRAISAL JOB IS AVAILABLE IF I CAN GET
TO IT FIRST BEFORE THE OTHER APPRAISERS. IT'S FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. I MAY
GET 1 OUT OF EVERY 10 SENT. EACH ONE IS WORTH MORE THAN $300. SOME TIMES I
CAN MISS UP TO THREE A DAY (OVER A $1000) THE SETTING ON MY "CHECK FOR NEW
MESSAGES EVERY" DOES NOT GO BELOW 1 MINUTE (60 SECONDS) WHICH I'M REALIZING
IS AN ETERNITY, ESPECIALLY IF SOMEONE ELSE HAS AN EMAIL INBOX THAT HAS A
DELAY THEY CAN SET FOR ONE SECOND OR LESS. HELP ! DOES OUTLOOK EXPRESS HAVE
A NEWER VERSION WITH A LOWER SETTING AVAILABLE ? IS THERE A BETTER ANSWER TO
MY BIG PROBLEM. I'VE EVEN BOUGHT A BLACK BERRY THAT RECEIVES MY EMAILS BUT
THEY COME IN 5 MINUTES AFTER I RECEIVE THEM IN MY OUTLOOK EXPRESS. I REALLY
WOULD APPRECIATE ANY HELP TO MY BIG PROBLEM. THANKS, STEVE
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

[crosspost to OE General]

1. Why are you posting about an Outlook Express problem in an IE6 newsgroup?

2. Why are you shouting? There's no volume control here. (Posting in
all-caps is considered SHOUTING! here.)

3. Assuming you're running WinXP SP2 or SP3, no, there is not a newer
version of OE.

4. Try setting the automatic Send/Receive interval to 5, 10, or 15 minutes:
If it's happening every 60 seconds, there's a very good chance that the
current Send/Receive session will not have completed when the next one's
supposed to happen...which may explain why you're missing timely delivery of
these messages.

5. Just like your mother always told you, Patience is indeed a virtue.
--
OE-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
 
S

STEVE

most appraisers write in all caps so please exuse. i guess it may be
considered a habit. next time you can ask politely ask why and try resisting
being who you really are. oh and your responce didn't help.
--
STEVE


PA Bear said:
[crosspost to OE General]

1. Why are you posting about an Outlook Express problem in an IE6 newsgroup?

2. Why are you shouting? There's no volume control here. (Posting in
all-caps is considered SHOUTING! here.)

3. Assuming you're running WinXP SP2 or SP3, no, there is not a newer
version of OE.

4. Try setting the automatic Send/Receive interval to 5, 10, or 15 minutes:
If it's happening every 60 seconds, there's a very good chance that the
current Send/Receive session will not have completed when the next one's
supposed to happen...which may explain why you're missing timely delivery of
these messages.

5. Just like your mother always told you, Patience is indeed a virtue.
--
OE-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

HI... I AM CURRENTLY RELYING ON OUTLOOK EXPRESS FOR JOBS BEING SENT TO
ME.
HERE'S MY PROBLEM. I AM A REAL ESTATE APPRAISER AND I RECEIVE A NOTICE BY
WAY OF AN EMAIL FROM A LENDER THAT AN APPRAISAL JOB IS AVAILABLE IF I CAN
GET TO IT FIRST BEFORE THE OTHER APPRAISERS. IT'S FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.
I MAY GET 1 OUT OF EVERY 10 SENT. EACH ONE IS WORTH MORE THAN $300. SOME
TIMES I CAN MISS UP TO THREE A DAY (OVER A $1000) THE SETTING ON MY "CHECK
FOR NEW MESSAGES EVERY" DOES NOT GO BELOW 1 MINUTE (60 SECONDS) WHICH I'M
REALIZING IS AN ETERNITY, ESPECIALLY IF SOMEONE ELSE HAS AN EMAIL INBOX
THAT HAS A DELAY THEY CAN SET FOR ONE SECOND OR LESS. HELP ! DOES
OUTLOOK
EXPRESS HAVE A NEWER VERSION WITH A LOWER SETTING AVAILABLE ? IS THERE A
BETTER ANSWER TO MY BIG PROBLEM. I'VE EVEN BOUGHT A BLACK BERRY THAT
RECEIVES MY EMAILS BUT THEY COME IN 5 MINUTES AFTER I RECEIVE THEM IN MY
OUTLOOK EXPRESS. I REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE ANY HELP TO MY BIG PROBLEM.
THANKS, STEVE
 
V

VanguardLH

STEVE said:
I AM CURRENTLY RELYING ON OUTLOOK EXPRESS FOR JOBS BEING SENT TO ME.

Not an issue with IE6, the topic of this newsgroup.

Why are you using a long-dead and unsupported e-mail client? OE support
died back in 2006 (and also when its development team got disbanded).
OE relies on methods (functions) define in IE's libraries (DLL files).
That means functions on which OE relies may not be correctly defined or
not even exist in later versions of IE. OE came bundled with IE up
until and including version 6. Since OE was a dead product, it was no
longer bundled with subsequent versions of IE that were released after
that (7 & 8). Since this is a business-use of e-mail, consider moving
to a newer and supported e-mail client. Many are free.
I AM A REAL ESTATE APPRAISER AND I RECEIVE A NOTICE BY
WAY OF AN EMAIL FROM A LENDER THAT AN APPRAISAL JOB IS AVAILABLE IF I CAN GET
TO IT FIRST BEFORE THE OTHER APPRAISERS. IT'S FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.

Is EVERY appraiser on the lender's list shown in the To/Cc headers in
the e-mail that you receive? If not, how do you know the lender doesn't
send to appraiser 1, then to appraiser 2, and so on until they get to
appraiser N which is you? There might only be a few seconds difference
between when they send their e-mail to the first appraiser to when they
send you a copy. There could be an hour difference, or more. Your
e-mail client might provide for instantaneous notification (which the
e-mail protocols were never designed -- they are NOT instant messaging
clients) but that won't help if the sender sends you the copy of their
e-mail a lot later then they send to someone else.
THE SETTING ON MY "CHECK FOR NEW
MESSAGES EVERY" DOES NOT GO BELOW 1 MINUTE (60 SECONDS) WHICH I'M REALIZING
IS AN ETERNITY, ESPECIALLY IF SOMEONE ELSE HAS AN EMAIL INBOX THAT HAS A
DELAY THEY CAN SET FOR ONE SECOND OR LESS.

Nope, no one has an e-mail client with 1-second poll intervals. The
time to establish a mail session between client and server, to issue and
authenticate the login credentials, for the client to send a LIST
command to find out if there are any items in the mailbox, for the
server to send back a response, for the client to retrieve any new
items, and to close the mail session would take FAR longer than that.

It is considered abusive to poll for e-mails at less than 5-minute
intervals. In fact, some e-mail providers have anti-abuse quotas that
will result in your account getting locked out for a day if you exceed
some nebulous threshold regarding this abuse. E-mail is NOT and instant
messaging protocol. You are wastefully consuming resources at the
e-mail provider to check for e-mails that don't exist and doing so at an
excessive rate. The polling interval should be 10 minutes, or more.

Also, when there are e-mails in your mailbox, how long does it take to
get them? That includes establishing a connection to their server,
authenticating your login credentials, your e-mail client issuing a LIST
to find out if there are any items in your mailbox, followed by a UID to
get the unique IDs, a RETR command on each new item to retrieve it with
its bytes getting sent to you, and ending the mail session. If your
e-mail client attempts to do another mail poll before the current one is
finished, the current mail poll gets stepped on and aborted to do the
next mail poll and the whole process starts over.

If you want an instant messaging client then use one (MSN/Live
Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, Trillian, or whatever floats your boat). Of
course, that means whomever is your e-mail provider also includes IM
(instant messaging) services with their e-mail service. Then, if the IM
client is running, you get notified as soon as a new e-mail shows up in
your mailbox. Microsoft has their Windows Live Messenger. Yahoo has
their Messenger. AOL has their IM client. Trillian and other IM
clients work with all 3 IM services.

It is unlikely that you will get the sender to use an IM client to
notify all potential candidates (and, if they did, all of you that are
notified at the same time have no advantage over the other as you wanted
to do with abuse of your e-mail provider through excessive mail polls at
overly short intervals). They will continue to send an e-mail; however,
you have no guarantee that you all were sent their e-mail at the same
time. Look for an e-mail provider that includes instant messaging to
let you know immediately when you have a new message waiting. Stop
using the wrong communications protocol for the wrong purpose.

And stop yelling at those from whom you want help. Posting in uppercase
is YELLING.
 
V

VanguardLH

PA said:
[crosspost to OE General]
<snip - cross-posted reply>

Original newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser
Added newsgroups: microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
Effector/Respondent: PA Bear

This is to warn that Effector has copied [only a subthread of] an
existing discussion to other groups by cross-posting their reply to
groups not originally specified by the OP (original post[er]). There
may be additional replies back under the original post in its original
group(s) than just those shown under the subthread for the Effector's
cross-posted reply. If the OP and others wish to ensure that they see
ALL replies then they must visit the original groups to check if there
are subthreads *other* than under the Effector's reply.


<rant_start>
If the OP wishes to move or copy their discussion to another group, that
should be *their* choice and not as an UNSOLICITED action enforced by
another *user*. Despite his pretense, the Effector is not a moderator
or admin but just another user who is propagating the OP's discussion to
different group(s) that he has divined are more appropriate and to
enlarge the audience or hopefully provide a more focused community on
the topic but which may not be a correct action (since the source of the
problem may not be relevant to those other groups simply based on where
the OP reported the symptoms). If the OP wants to move or copy their
discussion to another group, that should be THEIR choice and not of the
Respondent. The Respondent should only recommend to the OP that there
may be more appropriate or useful groups to which the OP should repost
or cross-post their message, not enforce the propagation of the OP's
discussion to other groups.

There are times when the Newsgroups header should be modified to a
different set of groups than was originally specified by the user.
Examples are: using a *.test group to redirect negative or expository
replies into the bit bucket (common with spammers or trolls); removal of
completely unrelated groups (i.e., the OP cross-posted to invalid
groups), an attempt to flame a smaller community or low-bandwidth group
with a rash of replies from other groups (i.e., an intentional attempt
to vengefully or maliciously flood forward into other groups), inclusion
of *.kook or other groups with the intention to flame the other groups
with the inflamed responses (i.e., attempt to flood backward into other
groups), responding to a spam exhibit or announcements but discussions
about them belong in another group, and so on. A misguided need to
enlarge exposure for a discussion based on a choice made by the
Respondent is not an adequate reason to alter the Newsgroups header.

Recommend the OP should move. Do not SHOVE them over. It should be the
OP's choice in what communities to focus their post, not a forced change
made by the Respondent.
<rant_end>
 
B

Bruce Hagen

By this:

I MAY GET 1 OUT OF EVERY 10 SENT.

Do you mean you are not getting all your incoming messages, or that you only
get 1 out of 10 jobs?

You can't set OE for any less than 1 minute, and if it is downloading
messages when the next poll starts, you could lose messages.

The only thing you can do as far as OE goes it to turn off e-mail scanning
which will speed up your download time.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant layer
of protection that eats up CPUs, slows down sending and receiving, and
causes a multitude of problems such as time-outs, account setting changes
and has even been responsible for loss of messages. Your up-to-date A/V
program will continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

Note that for some AV programs, it may be necessary to uninstall the program
and reinstall in Custom Mode and uncheck e-mail scanning when the option
arises.


The only other suggestion I have is to use your ISP's Webmail. You can have
OE open at the same time. You shouldn't /lose/ any messages on the Webmail
site, and this tool will refresh IE as fast as every 10 seconds.

Yrefresher:
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/yrefresher.html

I have no idea if this will be of any help for you, but it is all I have.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


STEVE said:
most appraisers write in all caps so please exuse. i guess it may be
considered a habit. next time you can ask politely ask why and try
resisting
being who you really are. oh and your responce didn't help.
--
STEVE


PA Bear said:
[crosspost to OE General]

1. Why are you posting about an Outlook Express problem in an IE6
newsgroup?

2. Why are you shouting? There's no volume control here. (Posting in
all-caps is considered SHOUTING! here.)

3. Assuming you're running WinXP SP2 or SP3, no, there is not a newer
version of OE.

4. Try setting the automatic Send/Receive interval to 5, 10, or 15
minutes:
If it's happening every 60 seconds, there's a very good chance that the
current Send/Receive session will not have completed when the next one's
supposed to happen...which may explain why you're missing timely delivery
of
these messages.

5. Just like your mother always told you, Patience is indeed a virtue.
--
OE-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

HI... I AM CURRENTLY RELYING ON OUTLOOK EXPRESS FOR JOBS BEING SENT TO
ME.
HERE'S MY PROBLEM. I AM A REAL ESTATE APPRAISER AND I RECEIVE A NOTICE
BY
WAY OF AN EMAIL FROM A LENDER THAT AN APPRAISAL JOB IS AVAILABLE IF I
CAN
GET TO IT FIRST BEFORE THE OTHER APPRAISERS. IT'S FIRST COME FIRST
SERVE.
I MAY GET 1 OUT OF EVERY 10 SENT. EACH ONE IS WORTH MORE THAN $300.
SOME
TIMES I CAN MISS UP TO THREE A DAY (OVER A $1000) THE SETTING ON MY
"CHECK
FOR NEW MESSAGES EVERY" DOES NOT GO BELOW 1 MINUTE (60 SECONDS) WHICH
I'M
REALIZING IS AN ETERNITY, ESPECIALLY IF SOMEONE ELSE HAS AN EMAIL INBOX
THAT HAS A DELAY THEY CAN SET FOR ONE SECOND OR LESS. HELP ! DOES
OUTLOOK
EXPRESS HAVE A NEWER VERSION WITH A LOWER SETTING AVAILABLE ? IS THERE
A
BETTER ANSWER TO MY BIG PROBLEM. I'VE EVEN BOUGHT A BLACK BERRY THAT
RECEIVES MY EMAILS BUT THEY COME IN 5 MINUTES AFTER I RECEIVE THEM IN
MY
OUTLOOK EXPRESS. I REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE ANY HELP TO MY BIG PROBLEM.
THANKS, STEVE
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY & GOOD LUCK TO YOU
most appraisers write in all caps so please exuse. i guess it may be
considered a habit. next time you can ask politely ask why and try
resisting being who you really are. oh and your responce didn't help.
[crosspost to OE General]

1. Why are you posting about an Outlook Express problem in an IE6
newsgroup?

2. Why are you shouting? There's no volume control here. (Posting in
all-caps is considered SHOUTING! here.)

3. Assuming you're running WinXP SP2 or SP3, no, there is not a newer
version of OE.

4. Try setting the automatic Send/Receive interval to 5, 10, or 15
minutes:
If it's happening every 60 seconds, there's a very good chance that the
current Send/Receive session will not have completed when the next one's
supposed to happen...which may explain why you're missing timely delivery
of these messages.

5. Just like your mother always told you, Patience is indeed a virtue.
--
OE-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

HI... I AM CURRENTLY RELYING ON OUTLOOK EXPRESS FOR JOBS BEING SENT TO
ME.
HERE'S MY PROBLEM. I AM A REAL ESTATE APPRAISER AND I RECEIVE A NOTICE
BY
WAY OF AN EMAIL FROM A LENDER THAT AN APPRAISAL JOB IS AVAILABLE IF I
CAN
GET TO IT FIRST BEFORE THE OTHER APPRAISERS. IT'S FIRST COME FIRST
SERVE.
I MAY GET 1 OUT OF EVERY 10 SENT. EACH ONE IS WORTH MORE THAN $300.
SOME
TIMES I CAN MISS UP TO THREE A DAY (OVER A $1000) THE SETTING ON MY
"CHECK
FOR NEW MESSAGES EVERY" DOES NOT GO BELOW 1 MINUTE (60 SECONDS) WHICH
I'M
REALIZING IS AN ETERNITY, ESPECIALLY IF SOMEONE ELSE HAS AN EMAIL INBOX
THAT HAS A DELAY THEY CAN SET FOR ONE SECOND OR LESS. HELP ! DOES
OUTLOOK
EXPRESS HAVE A NEWER VERSION WITH A LOWER SETTING AVAILABLE ? IS THERE A
BETTER ANSWER TO MY BIG PROBLEM. I'VE EVEN BOUGHT A BLACK BERRY THAT
RECEIVES MY EMAILS BUT THEY COME IN 5 MINUTES AFTER I RECEIVE THEM IN MY
OUTLOOK EXPRESS. I REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE ANY HELP TO MY BIG PROBLEM.
THANKS, STEVE
 
S

Singapore Computer Service

Hello,

By now the other replies should have convinced you that you cannot set it
lower than 1 minute in Outlook Express

However, there are some workarounds you can try
1) use another mail software that supports a shorter checking interval. see
http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-email-client.htm for some good
free ones
2) use a web based email such as GMail with GTalk which notifies you of new
mail
3) if you are using hotmail, use windows live messenger to be notified of
new mail

The above 3 methods are not guaranteed to give you a faster response than 1
minute, but you can try them out.

__
http://www.bootstrike.com/ComputerService/
Singapore Computer Home Remote On-Site Repair Service
 
S

STEVE

Thanks for your time Bruce... I'm getting all of the job requests however,
the other appraisers are getting the requests before I can claim them. I'm
not a real technical guy when it comes to computers but I think you have
given me the best insite and info to date. Thanks again, Steve
STEVE

Bruce Hagen said:
By this:

I MAY GET 1 OUT OF EVERY 10 SENT.

Do you mean you are not getting all your incoming messages, or that you only
get 1 out of 10 jobs?

You can't set OE for any less than 1 minute, and if it is downloading
messages when the next poll starts, you could lose messages.

The only thing you can do as far as OE goes it to turn off e-mail scanning
which will speed up your download time.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant layer
of protection that eats up CPUs, slows down sending and receiving, and
causes a multitude of problems such as time-outs, account setting changes
and has even been responsible for loss of messages. Your up-to-date A/V
program will continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

Note that for some AV programs, it may be necessary to uninstall the program
and reinstall in Custom Mode and uncheck e-mail scanning when the option
arises.


The only other suggestion I have is to use your ISP's Webmail. You can have
OE open at the same time. You shouldn't /lose/ any messages on the Webmail
site, and this tool will refresh IE as fast as every 10 seconds.

Yrefresher:
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/yrefresher.html

I have no idea if this will be of any help for you, but it is all I have.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


STEVE said:
most appraisers write in all caps so please exuse. i guess it may be
considered a habit. next time you can ask politely ask why and try
resisting
being who you really are. oh and your responce didn't help.
--
STEVE


PA Bear said:
[crosspost to OE General]

1. Why are you posting about an Outlook Express problem in an IE6
newsgroup?

2. Why are you shouting? There's no volume control here. (Posting in
all-caps is considered SHOUTING! here.)

3. Assuming you're running WinXP SP2 or SP3, no, there is not a newer
version of OE.

4. Try setting the automatic Send/Receive interval to 5, 10, or 15
minutes:
If it's happening every 60 seconds, there's a very good chance that the
current Send/Receive session will not have completed when the next one's
supposed to happen...which may explain why you're missing timely delivery
of
these messages.

5. Just like your mother always told you, Patience is indeed a virtue.
--
OE-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002


STEVE wrote:
HI... I AM CURRENTLY RELYING ON OUTLOOK EXPRESS FOR JOBS BEING SENT TO
ME.
HERE'S MY PROBLEM. I AM A REAL ESTATE APPRAISER AND I RECEIVE A NOTICE
BY
WAY OF AN EMAIL FROM A LENDER THAT AN APPRAISAL JOB IS AVAILABLE IF I
CAN
GET TO IT FIRST BEFORE THE OTHER APPRAISERS. IT'S FIRST COME FIRST
SERVE.
I MAY GET 1 OUT OF EVERY 10 SENT. EACH ONE IS WORTH MORE THAN $300.
SOME
TIMES I CAN MISS UP TO THREE A DAY (OVER A $1000) THE SETTING ON MY
"CHECK
FOR NEW MESSAGES EVERY" DOES NOT GO BELOW 1 MINUTE (60 SECONDS) WHICH
I'M
REALIZING IS AN ETERNITY, ESPECIALLY IF SOMEONE ELSE HAS AN EMAIL INBOX
THAT HAS A DELAY THEY CAN SET FOR ONE SECOND OR LESS. HELP ! DOES
OUTLOOK
EXPRESS HAVE A NEWER VERSION WITH A LOWER SETTING AVAILABLE ? IS THERE
A
BETTER ANSWER TO MY BIG PROBLEM. I'VE EVEN BOUGHT A BLACK BERRY THAT
RECEIVES MY EMAILS BUT THEY COME IN 5 MINUTES AFTER I RECEIVE THEM IN
MY
OUTLOOK EXPRESS. I REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE ANY HELP TO MY BIG PROBLEM.
THANKS, STEVE
 
V

VanguardLH

Singapore said:
...
__
http:// www. b**tstrike. com/ComputerService/
Singapore Computer Home Remote On-Site Repair Service

Be leery of advice from a SPAMMER. They have a different agenda than
their pretense of giving help. This one does know how to put his spam
in a signature as evidenced by his first posts but refuses to do so now
because he is scared of newsreaders that strip off signatures. He wants
to ejaculate his spam in your face.
 

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