the real reason behind why vista was made like it is

J

John Jay Smith

People in here still deny the bloat of vista, the slow speed and crappy GUI.
Sorry guys, either you have extremely fast machines, or you are stupid.
Stupid as in blind, im not talking about IQ here.

However there is a hidden reason for the way vista was made. It has to do
with economics.

You cant use the same computer for too long. In the past (up till a couple
of years ago) after 6 months or even 1 year your computer was outdated and
old... but after XP, and because of the thermal roof the CPUs hit with
increasing the Mhz,
the computer industry could not recycle its customers so fast.... it was
clear that people that had a computer
2 or 3 or even 4 years old could still use it very well with xp. This is
why I think MS was pressured by
the hardware makers (because they in turn preinstall windows on the
machines) to bloat vista up as
much as possible. I think this extreme bloat is done on purpose.... to
artificially force people to renew
their computers. MS bloated with no real reason.. I am surprised why people
cant see that simple fact....
the needs of the OS are far more than what would be needed for the new
features added.

If the thermal problem did not exist the GHz would have increased
exponentially in the time XP
existed, to 4, 8, 16, and 32 GHz.. just as the speeds doubled in the
previous years..
but its not possible because higher frequencies make more heat.. and the
cpus would fry. It has to do with technology and physics.

So the plan was to make a new OS that would push all the computer industry
forward to sell. Yes its about money of course!
And this happened after they were able to mass produce multicore CPUs... the
solution to the thermal problem with increasing the MHZ (or Ghz). You see
with more cores you can have better cpu power but the heat does not increase
so much as it would if you increased the ghz...At that same point when dual
and now 4 cores are emerging, vista comes out bloated needs and with glass
effects, demanding new computers.

Ati and nvidia wanted in on the game.. MS probably made agreements with them
too, to make the new version of windows look good only if you had
powerful new GPUs. Its not by mistake that ATI and Nvidia wont release its
driver code so open source OS like linux can make drivers...
Because thats what MS wants in return from ati and nvidia! Make the users
need windows because with linux the drivers are not good enough,
and those os look crappy!

So for the people in here who claim vista is not bloated and slow.. they are
delusional... of course it is like this by design, because you cant hold on
to your computer for too long. You see the market must increase in numbers
of users, but a gigantic part of the market is people who change their
computer..
but with XP around for so long, and the thermal problem, the market was not
selling as much as they wanted it to.

But pay attention to what I will say now. I do not think this is bad!
Although more people will be forced to change computers and they will
put their hands in there pockets deeper... the result will be that a new
generation of far more powerful computers will emerge.
Some will have 12, 24 or even hundreds of cores in the cpu. New kinds of
huge ram and permanent memories that will replace hard disks will emerge.

This would not be possible if we had a OS that would be extremely well
designed and not bloated! lol
Of course this is not new.. this strategy has been used by Microsoft since
day one, and this is why we have so powerful computers now at so low a
price...
but with vista the change was more apparent, striking I would say, because
of the time lag between releases and the stall the chip industry had to get
around
the thermal problem.

So please... understand the underlying things going on.... and at last agree
with me that vista is bloated and slow.... Because it is for a reason!
 
R

Roy Coorne

John Jay Smith schrieb:
....
However there is a hidden reason for the way vista was made. It has to do
with economics.
....

The economic reason for developing new products is not hidden - it is
well known that Microsoft Corporation is a profit organisation.

Roy
 
L

Lang Murphy

I don't know that I subscribe to your theory... that's fine...you're free to
speak your mind.

Ultimately, if you have a 2 or 3 or 4 year old PC that's running XP fine...
yeah, why upgrade? For me, there are two main reasons, and neither one of
them has "Aero" in their name. Improved security. Is it perfect security?
Nah... and it -is- improved when compared to XP. Second reason is using
DirectX to draw the desktop. Less crashes due to graphics fubars and the cpu
is freed from having to draw the desktop.

I admit, I don't have a 3 or 4 year old PC on which I want to install Vista.
But I do have a 2 year old PC that runs Vista as well as, if not better
than, the three new PC's running Vista here. If Vista is BloatWare... then
I'd rather deal with BW than deal with the amateurish efforts put forth by
the Linux vendors. And understand, that is not a dig on Linux. Fine OS if
you want to spend most of your day diddling around with the OS just trying
to change the resolution of your screen. lol.

Lang
 
M

Marshall

John said:
People in here still deny the bloat of vista, the slow speed and crappy GUI.
Sorry guys, either you have extremely fast machines, or you are stupid.
Stupid as in blind, im not talking about IQ here.

However there is a hidden reason for the way vista was made. It has to do
with economics.

Of course it does. Microsoft stands to make billions because of their
sustained ability to foist monopolyware on people. This is absolutely no
surprise. The users will happily line up to bug test and buy these
bloated, DRM abusing, privacy invasion, mass-marketing laden operating
because Microsoft has done a fantastic job of training people to think
in a narrow window.

Microsoft has made their operating systems as complex under the hood as
possible while making them simple to operate. That keeps users stupid
(blind), in fear and willing to buy the mantra "it just works!" when the
truth is that "it just works poorly!". If people had the first clue just
how long there has been things under the hood that compromises the user
in a multitude of ways, those user might finally begin to understand to
what degree and how they are being victimized.

But they don't. It's brilliant really and they won't run out of buyers
because users are on average just not very bright, educated, open to
learning what else is available or adjusting to new/better ways to do
things.

Good luck on trying to wake people up though. I know that XP will be the
last operating system I will purchase. I won't steal their wares either
as I have enough self respect to mean what I say and say what I mean. If
it isn't good enough to use, it isn't good enough to buy and vice versa.
 
J

John Jay Smith

linux is another sad story (im talking about desktop use not server). No one
seems to have
a vision on how a OS must be.... But her for linux you have the excuse that
there is not much profit to make out of it.
Shame on Microsoft that had the time and resources
to make something stunning, yet they produced this vista, that is
mediocure....(its horrible but anyway...)
 
G

Guest

Hi Marshall-
You sound like a Linux guy using XP as a secondary OS. That describes me
precisely. Xandros here roughly 80-90% of time, XP for the rest.

I am a careful browser/user and keep XP clean and updated. My XP experience
is different then many of my LinBretheren. I find it stable and fast and
rather problem free actually. I won't even consider Vista until.....well
actually never. By the time they end SP2 support I trust Linux desktop will
have advanced enough (with Flash etc) to work on every site on the web.

I happen to be on XP/Maxthon at the moment and am quite content with this
packagefor routine use. Maybe I am just easy to please or as an OS agnostic
leave all the emotionalism out of the equation. D.

:

Of course it does. Microsoft stands to make billions because of their
sustained ability to foist monopolyware on people.
 
H

Homer J. Simpson

I think this extreme bloat is done on purpose.... to artificially force
people to renew their computers

That argument makes sense only when people are "forced" to buy Vista in the
first place. I know I won't.
 
G

Guest

Hi Marshall
As a mainly Linux user I agree with much of this. I still keep XP as a
secondary OS. Clean and protected and updated I have no probems with it and
in fact do not share the antipathy most of my Linux fellows have toward
Windows. But I agree that there is nothing about Vista I find useful or
necessary. There are still a few uber-geeks still rolling along with Win 95.
I plan to emulate them with XP. D.

:
Of course it does. Microsoft stands to make billions because of their
sustained ability to foist monopolyware on people.
Microsoft has done a fantastic job of training people to think
in a narrow window.
That keeps users stupid (blind), in fear and willing to buy the mantra "it
just works!" when the truth is that "it just works poorly!".
I know that XP will be the last operating system I will purchase.
 
G

Guest

Sorry for the double post - the program told me there was a problem and it
did not go throught. This is my first post here and I'm unfamiliar with the
peculiarities of this foum software.
 
R

Rock

People in here still deny the bloat of vista, the slow speed and crappy
GUI.

<ramblings snipped>

Vista doesn't get discussed in here? What exactly are you rambling on
about?
 
R

Rock

Rock said:
<ramblings snipped>

Vista doesn't get discussed in here? What exactly are you rambling on
about?


Actually drop the ? for the first sentence. That was a statement, not a
question.
 
M

Monopolysoft

John said:
People in here still deny the bloat of vista, the slow speed and crappy GUI.
Sorry guys, either you have extremely fast machines, or you are stupid.
Stupid as in blind, im not talking about IQ here.

However there is a hidden reason for the way vista was made. It has to do
with economics.
So please... understand the underlying things going on.... and at last agree
with me that vista is bloated and slow.... Because it is for a reason!

You speak the truth, brother! And I thought that XP had bloat.
 
L

Lang Murphy

Eight days later...

Yes, Linux desktop is a sad story.

If you have the vision of what an OS should be... get a job at MS or KDE or
Gnome... or Apple.

There is no excuse for a crappy UI. You dislike the Vista UI but you're
willing to cut KDE/Gnome developers slack because they don't have the
funding of MS? That reasoning might lead one to believe that you own and
drive a Yugo. On the rare occasion that you can find parts and a mechanic
willing to go within 10 feet of the thing...

Yeah, shame on MS for not being perfect.

Lang
 

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