The need for Anti Virus software

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Michael Chare

I do approve of all the additional security built into Vista, so my question
is 'How great is the need for Anti Virus software?' at the moment I am
getting a bad mark under 'Malware protection' in the Windows Security
Centre.

There was a early post that referred to anti virus software as a 'ball and
chain' - I would add that the additional insult is that you also have to pay
for it - though there are some free ones for home use. I have taken a
dislike (which could be overcome) to McAfee as their concept of a Lifetime
product has not lasted as long as a normal human life. My PC is connected to
the internet by my NAT router which attaches to an ADSL phone line.

So, what do others do?
 
R

Richard Urban

The others run an antivirus program. I wouldn't even participate in email
with my children if I didn't have one installed.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User
 
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Mike Hall - MS MVP

Michael

AVG 7.5 free version anti-virus is an excellent product that will cost you
nothing, and is not anything like as invasive as McAfee or Norton.. it
updates daily, and users of it report back only good things..

A firewall and NAT router will stop unsolicited stuff getting to your
computer.. what neither of them will stop is a user unwittingly letting bad
stuff in.. an anti-virus solution is just one line of defense..

You should also run (and update regularly) SpywareBlaster, a utility that
immunizes IE against attack, requiring no user dependency other than
updating..

These two can't do it all by themselves, so you may also want to run either
Ewido or Trend Housecall on line scans now and again...

Links:

AVG.. http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php/doc/2/

SpywareBlsater.. http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html

Ewido.. http://www.ewido.net/en/ (look to the left side of the page for the
online scan)

Trend Housecall.. http://housecall.trendmicro.com/


Michael Chare said:
I do approve of all the additional security built into Vista, so my
question is 'How great is the need for Anti Virus software?' at the moment
I am getting a bad mark under 'Malware protection' in the Windows Security
Centre.

There was a early post that referred to anti virus software as a 'ball and
chain' - I would add that the additional insult is that you also have to
pay for it - though there are some free ones for home use. I have taken a
dislike (which could be overcome) to McAfee as their concept of a Lifetime
product has not lasted as long as a normal human life. My PC is connected
to the internet by my NAT router which attaches to an ADSL phone line.

So, what do others do?

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
 
J

john

Michael Chare said:
I do approve of all the additional security built into Vista, so my
question is 'How great is the need for Anti Virus software?' at the moment
I am getting a bad mark under 'Malware protection' in the Windows Security
Centre.

according to Jim Allchin, Vista is so secure it doesn't even NEED antivirus.
Vista needs no anti-virus, says Allchin

Secure enough on its own


By John Sherwin: Friday 10 November 2006, 16:07

JIM ALLCHIN, outgoing co-President of the Platform Products and Services
Group at Microsoft, has suggested that Windows Vista is so secure it may not
need an antivirus system.
The claim, which is sure to please antivirus vendors worldwide, was made on
Wednesday as part of a telephone conversation with reporters to discuss the
merits of the new operating system's security measures.

Citing such features as Patchguard and ASLR (Address Space Layout
Randomisation, which loads the system kernel differently on each Vista
machine) he said, "My son, seven years old, runs Windows Vista, and,
honestly, he doesn't have an antivirus system on his machine.

"His machine is locked down with parental controls, he can't download things
unless it's to the places that I've said that he could do, and I'm feeling
totally confident about that,"

He added: "Vista is something that will have issues in security, because the
bar is being raised over time. But in my opinion, it is the most secure
system that's available".

He neglected to mention if he was referring to the 32-bit or 64-bit version
of Vista.
 
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mikeyhsd

if you are running the 32 bit version, you should for sure run a virus program.
Avast is one that is most often recommended.
FREE with regular updates.



(e-mail address removed)



I do approve of all the additional security built into Vista, so my question
is 'How great is the need for Anti Virus software?' at the moment I am
getting a bad mark under 'Malware protection' in the Windows Security
Centre.

There was a early post that referred to anti virus software as a 'ball and
chain' - I would add that the additional insult is that you also have to pay
for it - though there are some free ones for home use. I have taken a
dislike (which could be overcome) to McAfee as their concept of a Lifetime
product has not lasted as long as a normal human life. My PC is connected to
the internet by my NAT router which attaches to an ADSL phone line.

So, what do others do?
 
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Larry Maturo

Interesting, but then why does Microsoft sell an anitvirus program
for Vista if it dosen't need one? :) Actually, MS One Care is
fairly inexpensive ($40 a year for 3 PCs), and not too intrusive.
It's not the world's greatest antivirus software, but for someone
computer savy its probably sufficient.

-- Larry Maturo
 
M

Mike Hall - MS MVP

John

Compare your wording of what JA said with the original.. he used the word
'may' which puts a different tone on..


john said:
according to Jim Allchin, Vista is so secure it doesn't even NEED
antivirus.
Vista needs no anti-virus, says Allchin

Secure enough on its own


By John Sherwin: Friday 10 November 2006, 16:07

JIM ALLCHIN, outgoing co-President of the Platform Products and Services
Group at Microsoft, has suggested that Windows Vista is so secure it may
not need an antivirus system.
The claim, which is sure to please antivirus vendors worldwide, was made
on Wednesday as part of a telephone conversation with reporters to discuss
the merits of the new operating system's security measures.

Citing such features as Patchguard and ASLR (Address Space Layout
Randomisation, which loads the system kernel differently on each Vista
machine) he said, "My son, seven years old, runs Windows Vista, and,
honestly, he doesn't have an antivirus system on his machine.

"His machine is locked down with parental controls, he can't download
things unless it's to the places that I've said that he could do, and I'm
feeling totally confident about that,"

He added: "Vista is something that will have issues in security, because
the bar is being raised over time. But in my opinion, it is the most
secure system that's available".

He neglected to mention if he was referring to the 32-bit or 64-bit
version of Vista.


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"If you can't make it good, at least make it look good."
- Bill Gates
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Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
 
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Mark Rae

AVG 7.5 free version anti-virus is an excellent product that will cost you
nothing, and is not anything like as invasive as McAfee or Norton.. it
updates daily, and users of it report back only good things..

Agreed 100% - I used Norton for many years, but the last couple of versions
have been so awful that I finally had no choice but to abandon it...

I use AVG on all my PCs (real and virtual) now...
A firewall and NAT router will stop unsolicited stuff getting to your
computer.. what neither of them will stop is a user unwittingly letting
bad stuff in.. an anti-virus solution is just one line of defense..

AVG also have a free anti-spyware package, but it's probably a bit too
crippled for serious consideration:
http://free.grisoft.com/doc/avg-anti-spyware-free/lng/us/tpl/v5
 
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Mike Hall - MS MVP

MS One Care is not specifically for Vista.. and JA did not say that Vista
categorically didn't require a av program..


Larry Maturo said:
Interesting, but then why does Microsoft sell an anitvirus program
for Vista if it dosen't need one? :) Actually, MS One Care is
fairly inexpensive ($40 a year for 3 PCs), and not too intrusive.
It's not the world's greatest antivirus software, but for someone
computer savy its probably sufficient.

-- Larry Maturo

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
 
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Guest

Not using AV software? Unthinkable, you could inadvertently let a virus on
your pc and then you would be in trouble. I would say you absolutely need an
AV program. I would recommend AVG, it is stable, updated daily, and free.
Get an AV application.
G
 
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Nina DiBoy

Mike said:
MS One Care is not specifically for Vista.. and JA did not say that
Vista categorically didn't require a av program..

OOOHHHH! Does MS make a linux version? ;)

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"You can get dog shi* for free also!"

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot
 
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Joe Grover

I rarely have AV on my home PC and have never regretted it, however to be
fair I'm far from the average home user. I use it for the occasional web
browse, I don't accept attachments from anyone but myself via email (they
all know better than to even send me any), and just about the only
applications I run are World of Warcraft occasionally, RDP all the time and
iTunes.

Having said that, I would never go without having AV on my PC at work. When
I did use AV at home it was the same product I use at work: Symantec
Enterprise. I can't stand Norton, but I love Symantec's enterprise solution
to death. The only reason I typically don't put it on my machine at home is
A) I'm lazy, and B) I usually prefer not to use one of my licenses for it.

I agree with what most folks say though: get AVG if nothing else. It's
free, it's well-supported, and it does quite a nice job from everyone I know
that has used it.

Joe
 
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DanS

Interesting, but then why does Microsoft sell an anitvirus program
for Vista if it dosen't need one? :) Actually, MS One Care is
fairly inexpensive ($40 a year for 3 PCs), and not too intrusive.
It's not the world's greatest antivirus software, but for someone
computer savy its probably sufficient.

I'm pretty sure in the tests I've read of One Care, not only was it not the
best, it IS actually the worst of the AV packages tested.
 
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DanS

I wouldn't even participate in
email with my children if I didn't have one installed.

Do your children send you viruses often ? I guess they do it purposely.

Have you not instilled the fear of viruses in them ?

Have you ever considered stopping using MS e-mail products that are prone
to exploits ?

In 12 years of using Eudora, HTML e-mail has never triggered anything,
because it's set to use plain text anyway.
 
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Richard Urban

I wouldn't accept an email from you either if I were not protected.. I have
no idea of the state of your computer. I have no idea if you sent it or it
was sent by a malicious program you don't even know resides on your machine.

The fact remains that the majority of people do not even know that their
computer has been taken over and is spewing out malware to others.

I have worked on a heck of a lot of computers where the owners told me they
were having no problems - it just runs slow. Were they surprised when I
turned up a ton of s**t.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User
 
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Michael Chare

Thanks for all the replies, I will try AVG, I see that the claim that it is
Vista compatible - Something that I have learnt to look for. I do/did have
AVG on another PC>
 
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MICHAEL

http://redtape.msnbc.com/
http://redtape.msnbc.com/2007/03/bots_story.html

Bob Sulivan / MSNBC.com
Your home computer may be committing a crime at this very moment. It might be sending out spam.
It might be buying stock as part of a pump-and-dump scheme. Or it might be helping attack the
Internet itself, silently and invisibly, as you read this story. And the odds your computer is
a criminal are quickly rising.

The Web, some say, has been turned into an operating system for criminals. Computer viruses
that hijack PCs and turn them into electronic robots, or "bots," have become the killer app.
The operation of networks of hijacked computers is so lucrative that hackers are actually
fighting electronic wars over them, a story we will explore next week in part two of this
series.

New hacker techniques make these virus attacks so subtle that there is no way you would know
your computer is a criminal. And there is a growing sense among security experts that hackers
have gained the upper hand in what was once a neck-and-neck arms race.


Bots can squirm their way onto home computers in myriad ways: a virus-laden e-mail or a
booby-trapped Web site are the most common. But some viruses can attack your computer in the
background, silently worming their way through networks via unprotected ports and porous
firewalls, using vulnerabilities that software companies don't know about.


Earlier this year, Internet founding father Vint Cerf dramatically suggested that 150 million
computers worldwide may have been hijacked by criminals. Most experts think that his estimate
is high, but they still count infected computers in the millions, or tens of millions. And
there is general consensus that the Internet is under assault from virus writers like never
before.

Listen carefully to the words of those who are trying to help us keep our computers safe from
Net criminals and you'll get a creeping sense that the boat is leaking faster than they can
bail out the water. There were two-and-a-half times as many viruses released in 2006 as in
2005, and the growth rate has continued through the first quarter of 2007, said Eugene
Kaspersky, chief researcher for Kaspersky Labs.

Antivirus firms "may not be able to withstand the onslaught," he said at a recent computer
security conference. "This is a competition where the antivirus companies, I fear, are not in a
good position."

Another antivirus executive put it more bluntly in a private conversation. "I think we've
failed," said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity. Computer security firms often
use hyperbole to help get attention for their products, but expressing helplessness is
something new.

Serious crimes for serious money

The security firms' helplessness means more home computers than ever are being hijacked by
organized criminals. Those who control the computers, known as "bot herders," have little
interest in the kinds of pranks that hackers typically played with their viruses five or 10
years ago. They commit serious crimes for serious money.

How serious? Earlier this year, a bot army sent a torrent of Internet traffic at two of the
Web's 13 critical domain name servers, directing the equivalent of millions of e-mails at them
within a few minutes. The mysterious onslaught would have rendered the Web useless if it had
succeeded in taking the domain name servers down, but after a few hours it stopped as quickly
as it started.

continued.....

http://redtape.msnbc.com/2007/03/bots_story.html
 
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DanS

I wouldn't accept an email from you either if I were not protected.. I
have no idea of the state of your computer. I have no idea if you sent
it or it was sent by a malicious program you don't even know resides
on your machine.

Thanks, I wouldn't send you an e-mail anyway.

But back to the matter at hand, simple common sense says not to open e-
mail attachments. Period. End of story. That should be enough.

And besides, how often have you sent a valid e-mail with an exe file
attached, or attached a .vbs or .com or .bat ?
 

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