The best light weight free Firewall

[Huss]

Firewalls don't block exploits, they block ports.

Firewalls can be exploited. Since it is not possible to prove a
negative, only an ongoing process of development can give a modicum of
assurance. Black Ice is a case in point:

http://www.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/AL20020208.html

Did I imagine that, or were you in principle wrong? No? Well see my
other response, in which I clearly demonstrate the rectitude of my
position, WRT new exploits.

Why do we have here an exploits page:

http://www.pcflank.com/exploits.htm

What's this:

http://www.outpostfirewall.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11836

Why is component control an important addition to firewalling, do you
have it, or are you happy to merely police your ports?

Do you rely on something other than windows task manager to inform you
of what processes you are running? It doesn't tell you everything,
believe me.

Yes, don't tell me "yes but".

 

[Huss]

Of course there is!!! "110 percent". . . There also seem to be *many*
"very unique" items or one sort and another.

That was a flippant remark Susan, and it seems that you too completely
missed the point, which is that firewalls are only secure if they have a
development path.

So, as you sit there doubtless smiling at what you may consider to be my
expense, do you have a firewall that can cut it where new exploits are
concerned, are you 100% sure, or are you 110% unconcerned?

 

[Susan Bugher]

That was a flippant remark Susan, and it seems that you too completely
missed the point, which is that firewalls are only secure if they have a
development path.

It was a flippant post about "more than all" - a post that was not
trying to make a point or respond to one.

So, as you sit there doubtless smiling at what you may consider to be my
expense, do you have a firewall that can cut it where new exploits are
concerned, are you 100% sure, or are you 110% unconcerned?

I removed any reference to firewalls and marked the post [OT]. My post
was not in any way shape or form *about* firewalls or any post you have
made in this thread. I'm sorry that you thought it was.

Susan
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[Huss]

That was a flippant remark Susan, and it seems that you too
completely missed the point, which is that firewalls are only secure
if they have a development path.

It was a flippant post about "more than all" - a post that was not
trying to make a point or respond to one.

So, as you sit there doubtless smiling at what you may consider to be
my expense, do you have a firewall that can cut it where new exploits
are concerned, are you 100% sure, or are you 110% unconcerned?

I removed any reference to firewalls and marked the post [OT].

My post was not in any way shape or form *about* firewalls or any post
you have made in this thread. I'm sorry that you thought it was.

If it was not your intent to offend, I apologise.

In my defence, although you inserted [OT] in the subject: line, you did
not remove the reference to "The best light weight free Firewall" from
your subject line and, when I saw that you had responded to the firewall
related line "Unless there's more than all", and ended your response
with a 'winky', I was more inclined to see flippancy than any other
option. If you had a private joke I didn't see it.

 

[Susan Bugher]

If it was not your intent to offend, I apologise.

In my defence, although you inserted [OT] in the subject: line, you did
not remove the reference to "The best light weight free Firewall" from
your subject line and, when I saw that you had responded to the firewall
related line "Unless there's more than all", and ended your response
with a 'winky', I was more inclined to see flippancy than any other
option. If you had a private joke I didn't see it.

No apology necessary - I'm sorry about the misunderstanding. I was
simply joking about the "over the top" claims people sometimes make -
like 110 percent and *very* unique (a pet peeve).

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[Huss]

If it was not your intent to offend, I apologise.

In my defence, although you inserted [OT] in the subject: line, you
did not remove the reference to "The best light weight free Firewall"
from your subject line and, when I saw that you had responded to the
firewall related line "Unless there's more than all", and ended your
response with a 'winky', I was more inclined to see flippancy than
any other option. If you had a private joke I didn't see it.

No apology necessary - I'm sorry about the misunderstanding. I was
simply joking about the "over the top" claims people sometimes make -
like 110 percent and *very* unique (a pet peeve).

Hey, humble pie doesn't necessarily taste bad.

I take your point about the 100% claims. There are no guarantees,
especially when corporations mistakenly release rootkit technology into
the wild. I'll buy no more of their products.

 

[Sheldon]

I was simply joking about the "over the top" claims people sometimes make
like 110 percent and *very* unique (a pet peeve).

Aha. That is the most absolutely perfect comment I've ever read in my
entire life.

No, it's even more better than that.

 

[badgolferman]

In addition to using a hardware firewall, on my main machine I use
the latest version of Outpost pro

Since I don't want to pay for software and prefer freeware, would you
say the free version of Outpost is better than the last Sygate offering?

 

[Huss]

Since I don't want to pay for software and prefer freeware, would you
say the free version of Outpost is better than the last Sygate offering?

Sadly yes. Also I don't think there's a freeware offering that will use
the new standard for checking whether 'authorised' software has not been
hijacked. For a rules based firewall this is crucial.

The problems are 1) that you pay for a period of updates, which has to
be renewed. I had this with BlackIce (I was a casualty [g]), and I had
it with Zone Alarm. It is a standard. Problem 2) is that it's processor
intensive. I don't notice it on this machine, but did on my AMD 2100+ (I
think that's what it is.)

I hadn't perceived the situation with such force, until I started to
seek a replacement for Sygate.

Until then I'd been congratulating myself for saving the last free
version, and others too. As I thought this through in the past few days
I realised that I need to tighten up my act, and I'm even looking for
criticism of Outpost. To be fair, you'll find carping on their forum:

http://www.outpostfirewall.com/forum/

It was a major step for me to start buying firewalls. Now I regard it as
necessary, like leathers, crash hats and boots. I wouldn't get second
hand stuff, or cheap stuff. It's my safety.

Illustratively, I downloaded the exploit tests that PC flank mention.
Avast picked up three of them, and I let it delete them. I scanned that
drive using Outpost and it found them, in the zip file, which it erased.
None of my software can recover it.

I didn't run them though, I felt discouraged by the warnings.

 

[Susan Bugher]

Aha. That is the most absolutely perfect comment I've ever read in my
entire life.

No, it's even more better than that.

Thank you. It's nice to hear from someone who has mastered the art of
understatement.

Susan (modest as always)
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[Al Klein]

On Mon, 1 May 2006 23:01:28 +0100, Huss

[piggybacking]
Susan, I missed your original post. I can live with "100%" (old
Eugene McCarthy fan), but comparatives and superlatives used with
"unique" get my dander up too. Have they stopped teaching vocabulary?

 

[Susan Bugher]

Susan, I missed your original post. I can live with "100%" (old
Eugene McCarthy fan), but comparatives and superlatives used with
"unique" get my dander up too. Have they stopped teaching vocabulary?

Dunno about teaching but it's clear some people haven't learned.

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[Erroneous Maximus]

Dunno about teaching but it's clear some people haven't learned.

Susan

Vocabulary you ask. You need only two words to get by in this world,
over use "like" and "awesome" and you blend right in.