The "all upgrade DVDs bootable question: not resolved by Darrell G.

[Chad Harris]

Hi Darrell--

You wrote:

"Hello,
Why? when you can request the full media instead?
Since Volume License Upgrade is not bootable, your options are limited, so
just request full media.
Thanks,"

Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

You cannot request full media with a volume license according to Volume
Licesning at MSFT and the web page they referred me to.

We still have an outstanding question on this because I JUST called Volume
Licensing at 1-800-MICROSOFT, and they said the option you mentioned for
full media is not part of their program and referred me to a web page that
confirms this:

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows/quiz_vol.mspx

They referred me to this statement and confirmed it so I am not sure where
you are hearing that Volume Licensing has an option for full media. Volume
Licensing at MSFT says "clearly that's not the case."

The outstanding question is are volume licensing DVDs bootable since the
Volume License purchaser is getting an upgrade DVD.

I'm also not clear what this phrase you used means exactly and I mean the
one "assumed you have a compliant OS licesnse already."

What is a compliant license and why would there be an assumption that a new
volume licesne purchaser might have any license alreay--what does compliant
mean in this context?

"Hello,
Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable.
Since all Volume License media is assumed that you have a compliant OS
license already.
The VL licenses are for upgrade media licensing even though you can request
full media, the license is still upgrade.
Thanks,"

Darrell Gorter[MSFT]



Note: It's important to understand that Volume License Agreements do not
cover the full windows operating system; Volume Licensing provides for
Windows OS upgrades only. Customers must first have a qualifying underlying
operating system license before installing Volume License software on their
computers.

So I would appreciate it if you could clarify whether a Volume License DVD
is bootable?

Also can you state that *every upgrade DVD that MSFT sells is bootable*
including anything OEM from MSFT because MSFT does have OEM DVDs--I have
them from XP and Office in prior years--but they are also marked not for
sale.

I'm looking for any scenario where someone who purchases an upgrade DVD from
MSFT cannot boot with it and use Win RE's panoply of tools which I
understand to be these (and the Memory Diagnostic Tool) which can be
accessed to run on the next boot from Vista as well as from the Win RE
environment.

Win RE's major components to repair Vista which would be Startup Repair,
System
Restore *from Win RE which I find superior to SR using the Volume Shadow
system adapted from the Windows Server environment, restoring the boot
sector using the bootsect /nt52 SYS from the Windows Recovery Environment
discussed in the MSKB directly below, and the Memory Diagnostics Tool.

How to troubleshoot scenarios in which the rollback phase was unsuccessful
after you upgrade from Windows XP to Windows Vista
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927523/en-us

and something that has not been mentioned that I can tell to date on this
group or much in the TBT groups:

How to use the Bootrec.exe tool in the Windows Recovery Environment to
troubleshoot and repair startup issues in Windows Vista
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927392/en-us

Startup Repair can also be used when there is not a problem booting into
Windows Vista and when it works which is not all the time (you should repeat
2-3 times if it does not) fix major broken Vista components:

A Stop error occurs, or the computer stops responding when you try to start
Windows Vista
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925810/en-us

Thank you,

CH

Hello,
Why? when you can request the full media instead?
Since Volume License Upgrade is not bootable, your options are limited, so
just request full media.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
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|>From: Nina DiBoy <[email protected]>
|>Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
|>Subject: Re: How MSFT has blocked your repairing Vista--if No DVD or
Upgrade
|> DVD
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|>Darrell Gorter[MSFT] wrote:
|>> Hello,
|>> Onl;y the upgrade volume media may not be bootable.
|>> Since all Volume License media is assumed that you have a compliant OS
|>> license already.
|>> The VL licenses are for upgrade media licensing even though you can
request
|>> full media, the license is still upgrade.
|>> Thanks,
|>> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
|>>
|>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights
|>
|>Is there anyway to use the VL upgrade media/licence to do a full, clean
|>fresh install?
|>
|>> --------------------
|>> |>From: Nina DiBoy <[email protected]>
|>> |>Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
|>> |>Subject: Re: How MSFT has blocked your repairing Vista--if No DVD or
|>> Upgrade
|>> |> DVD
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|>> |>Darrell Gorter[MSFT] wrote:
|>> |>> Hello,
|>> |>> Correct. Retail and upgrade media should be the same. The
product
key
|>> |>> detemines the behavior..
|>> |>> Both are bootable, both contain WinRE. You can boot to the
Upgrade
DVD
|>> and
|>> |>> get to WinRE to use the repair functionality
|>> |>> The only media that may not be bootable is the Volume License
Upgrade
|>> |>> Media. ( I don't have a copy of that media to test whether it's
|>> bootable or
|>> |>> not, but I have been told that Volume License Upgrade media is not
|>> supposed
|>> |>> to be bootable)
|>> |>>
|>> |>> Thanks,
|>> |>> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
|>> |>>
|>> |>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
no
|>> rights
|>> |>
|>> |>Hi Darrell.
|>> |>
|>> |>Why would the volume license media not be bootable?
|>> |>
|>
|>
|>
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[Darrell Gorter[MSFT]]

Hello Chad,
I replied to the other thread. You have to give me some time, I don't have
answers to all the questions immediately. <G>
So just to make sure other people don't misinerpret this and I don't
confuse other anyone.
This thread is for Windows VIsta VOLUME media questions only. Volume
Upgrade media is not bootable, other Windows Vista upgrade media is
bootable.
Open a new thread for non-volume upgrade question please if they are not
already answered.
I don't want to confuse people with all the options in this thread as the
licenses may be different for other media types.

You cannot request full media with a volume license according to Volume

|>Licesning at MSFT and the web page they referred me to.
|>
|>We still have an outstanding question on this because I JUST called Volume
|>Licensing at 1-800-MICROSOFT, and they said the option you mentioned for
|>full media is not part of their program and referred me to a web page that
|>confirms this:
|>
|>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows/quiz_vol.mspx
I have been told every program supports this. Get me a contact name who
you are dealiing with and send it to me:
remove the online from my email name.


|>They referred me to this statement and confirmed it so I am not sure where
|>you are hearing that Volume Licensing has an option for full media.
Volume
|>Licensing at MSFT says "clearly that's not the case."
This has been stated to me multiple times over the years leading up to this
release and today once again it was confirmed,
If there is a program that is not making it available I need to know which
program and who you are talking to.


|>The outstanding question is are volume licensing DVDs bootable since the
|>Volume License purchaser is getting an upgrade DVD.
Volume Licensing Upgrade DVDs are not bootable.

|>I'm also not clear what this phrase you used means exactly and I mean the
|>one "assumed you have a compliant OS licesnse already."
|>What is a compliant license and why would there be an assumption that a
new
|>volume licesne purchaser might have any license alreay--what does complia
The upgrade media does a compliance check. Basically it checks that you do
have a copy of Windows that meets the compliancy check.
I was not clear when I posted that and I can see where that was confusing.
All it means is that you are supposed to have a copy of Windows already to
be able to use Volume Media since the license for Volume media is for
upgrade media.
Even if the media is not upgrade media for Volume the licensing is for
upgrade media not for full media. It doesn't have to be installed, in this
case, thus the ability to use upgrade volume media.

Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
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|>From: "Chad Harris" <fixvista-itneedsit.net>
|>Subject: The "all upgrade DVDs bootable question: not resolved by Darrell
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|>Hi Darrell--
|>
|>You wrote:
|>
|>"Hello,
|>Why? when you can request the full media instead?
|>Since Volume License Upgrade is not bootable, your options are limited, so
|>just request full media.
|>Thanks,"
|>
|>Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
|>
|>You cannot request full media with a volume license according to Volume
|>Licesning at MSFT and the web page they referred me to.
|>
|>We still have an outstanding question on this because I JUST called Volume
|>Licensing at 1-800-MICROSOFT, and they said the option you mentioned for
|>full media is not part of their program and referred me to a web page that
|>confirms this:
|>
|>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows/quiz_vol.mspx
|>
|>They referred me to this statement and confirmed it so I am not sure where
|>you are hearing that Volume Licensing has an option for full media.
Volume
|>Licensing at MSFT says "clearly that's not the case."
|>
|>The outstanding question is are volume licensing DVDs bootable since the
|>Volume License purchaser is getting an upgrade DVD.
|>
|>I'm also not clear what this phrase you used means exactly and I mean the
|>one "assumed you have a compliant OS licesnse already."
|>
|>What is a compliant license and why would there be an assumption that a
new
|>volume licesne purchaser might have any license alreay--what does
compliant
|>mean in this context?
|>
|>"Hello,
|>Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable.
|>Since all Volume License media is assumed that you have a compliant OS
|>license already.
|>The VL licenses are for upgrade media licensing even though you can
request
|>full media, the license is still upgrade.
|>Thanks,"
|>
|>Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
|>
|>
|>
|>Note: It's important to understand that Volume License Agreements do not
|>cover the full windows operating system; Volume Licensing provides for
|>Windows OS upgrades only. Customers must first have a qualifying
underlying
|>operating system license before installing Volume License software on
their
|>computers.
|>
|>So I would appreciate it if you could clarify whether a Volume License DVD
|>is bootable?
|>
|>Also can you state that *every upgrade DVD that MSFT sells is bootable*
|>including anything OEM from MSFT because MSFT does have OEM DVDs--I have
|>them from XP and Office in prior years--but they are also marked not for
|>sale.
|>
|>I'm looking for any scenario where someone who purchases an upgrade DVD
from
|>MSFT cannot boot with it and use Win RE's panoply of tools which I
|>understand to be these (and the Memory Diagnostic Tool) which can be
|>accessed to run on the next boot from Vista as well as from the Win RE
|>environment.
|>
|>Win RE's major components to repair Vista which would be Startup Repair,
|>System
|>Restore *from Win RE which I find superior to SR using the Volume Shadow
|>system adapted from the Windows Server environment, restoring the boot
|>sector using the bootsect /nt52 SYS from the Windows Recovery Environment
|>discussed in the MSKB directly below, and the Memory Diagnostics Tool.
|>
|>How to troubleshoot scenarios in which the rollback phase was unsuccessful
|>after you upgrade from Windows XP to Windows Vista
|>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927523/en-us
|>
|>and something that has not been mentioned that I can tell to date on this
|>group or much in the TBT groups:
|>
|>How to use the Bootrec.exe tool in the Windows Recovery Environment to
|>troubleshoot and repair startup issues in Windows Vista
|>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927392/en-us
|>
|>Startup Repair can also be used when there is not a problem booting into
|>Windows Vista and when it works which is not all the time (you should
repeat
|>2-3 times if it does not) fix major broken Vista components:
|>
|>A Stop error occurs, or the computer stops responding when you try to
start
|>Windows Vista
|>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925810/en-us
|>
|>Thank you,
|
|>
|>

 

[Dennis Pack]

Chad:
I have the downloaded version of Vista Enterprise x86 & x64. I
purchased Vista Business with v/l and s/a which was upgraded to enterprise.
Both DVDs that I burned are bootable, I have installed Enterprise after
formatting a hard drive or on a blank new hard drive. Have a great day.


--
Dennis Pack
XP x64, Vista Enterprise x64
Office2007

Hi Darrell--

You wrote:

"Hello,
Why? when you can request the full media instead?
Since Volume License Upgrade is not bootable, your options are limited, so
just request full media.
Thanks,"

Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

You cannot request full media with a volume license according to Volume
Licesning at MSFT and the web page they referred me to.

We still have an outstanding question on this because I JUST called Volume
Licensing at 1-800-MICROSOFT, and they said the option you mentioned for
full media is not part of their program and referred me to a web page that
confirms this:

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows/quiz_vol.mspx

They referred me to this statement and confirmed it so I am not sure where
you are hearing that Volume Licensing has an option for full media.
Volume
Licensing at MSFT says "clearly that's not the case."

The outstanding question is are volume licensing DVDs bootable since the
Volume License purchaser is getting an upgrade DVD.

I'm also not clear what this phrase you used means exactly and I mean the
one "assumed you have a compliant OS licesnse already."

What is a compliant license and why would there be an assumption that a
new
volume licesne purchaser might have any license alreay--what does
compliant
mean in this context?

"Hello,
Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable.
Since all Volume License media is assumed that you have a compliant OS
license already.
The VL licenses are for upgrade media licensing even though you can
request
full media, the license is still upgrade.
Thanks,"

Darrell Gorter[MSFT]



Note: It's important to understand that Volume License Agreements do not
cover the full windows operating system; Volume Licensing provides for
Windows OS upgrades only. Customers must first have a qualifying
underlying
operating system license before installing Volume License software on
their
computers.

So I would appreciate it if you could clarify whether a Volume License DVD
is bootable?

Also can you state that *every upgrade DVD that MSFT sells is bootable*
including anything OEM from MSFT because MSFT does have OEM DVDs--I have
them from XP and Office in prior years--but they are also marked not for
sale.

I'm looking for any scenario where someone who purchases an upgrade DVD
from
MSFT cannot boot with it and use Win RE's panoply of tools which I
understand to be these (and the Memory Diagnostic Tool) which can be
accessed to run on the next boot from Vista as well as from the Win RE
environment.

Win RE's major components to repair Vista which would be Startup Repair,
System
Restore *from Win RE which I find superior to SR using the Volume Shadow
system adapted from the Windows Server environment, restoring the boot
sector using the bootsect /nt52 SYS from the Windows Recovery Environment
discussed in the MSKB directly below, and the Memory Diagnostics Tool.

How to troubleshoot scenarios in which the rollback phase was unsuccessful
after you upgrade from Windows XP to Windows Vista
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927523/en-us

and something that has not been mentioned that I can tell to date on this
group or much in the TBT groups:

How to use the Bootrec.exe tool in the Windows Recovery Environment to
troubleshoot and repair startup issues in Windows Vista
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927392/en-us

Startup Repair can also be used when there is not a problem booting into
Windows Vista and when it works which is not all the time (you should
repeat
2-3 times if it does not) fix major broken Vista components:

A Stop error occurs, or the computer stops responding when you try to
start
Windows Vista
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925810/en-us

Thank you,

CH

Hello,
Why? when you can request the full media instead?
Since Volume License Upgrade is not bootable, your options are limited,
so
just request full media.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights
--------------------
|>From: Nina DiBoy <[email protected]>
|>Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
|>Subject: Re: How MSFT has blocked your repairing Vista--if No DVD or
Upgrade
|> DVD
|>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:00:26 -0600
|>Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
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|>Darrell Gorter[MSFT] wrote:
|>> Hello,
|>> Onl;y the upgrade volume media may not be bootable.
|>> Since all Volume License media is assumed that you have a compliant
OS
|>> license already.
|>> The VL licenses are for upgrade media licensing even though you can
request
|>> full media, the license is still upgrade.
|>> Thanks,
|>> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
|>>
|>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights
|>
|>Is there anyway to use the VL upgrade media/licence to do a full, clean
|>fresh install?
|>
|>> --------------------
|>> |>From: Nina DiBoy <[email protected]>
|>> |>Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
|>> |>Subject: Re: How MSFT has blocked your repairing Vista--if No DVD
or
|>> Upgrade
|>> |> DVD
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|>> |>Darrell Gorter[MSFT] wrote:
|>> |>> Hello,
|>> |>> Correct. Retail and upgrade media should be the same. The
product
key
|>> |>> detemines the behavior..
|>> |>> Both are bootable, both contain WinRE. You can boot to the
Upgrade
DVD
|>> and
|>> |>> get to WinRE to use the repair functionality
|>> |>> The only media that may not be bootable is the Volume License
Upgrade
|>> |>> Media. ( I don't have a copy of that media to test whether it's
|>> bootable or
|>> |>> not, but I have been told that Volume License Upgrade media is
not
|>> supposed
|>> |>> to be bootable)
|>> |>>
|>> |>> Thanks,
|>> |>> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
|>> |>>
|>> |>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
no
|>> rights
|>> |>
|>> |>Hi Darrell.
|>> |>
|>> |>Why would the volume license media not be bootable?
|>> |>
|>
|>
|>
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|>Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
|>http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html
|>
|>"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
|>- T. S. Eliot
|>