sudden network card problems...help please.

F

Funex

It's possible for the wireless card to connect, accept the WEP key,
and show "connected", but if you're not getting correct
IP/Subnet/Gateway/DNS numbers (either from the Router's DHCP server,
or manually entered), you won't get anywhere on the internet.


I did not know this. Thanks for this helpful info. It was the piece of
the picture I was missing. I'm also sorry for my bad attitude. I
really apologize. Too much time in the computer room.
So, is the router handing out good DHCP info, or are the working
unit(s) using static info?

Router seems fine. Hands out stuff on the wire. And wirelessly to the
laptop.
What happens if you enter appropriate IP/Subnet/Gateway/DNS numbers
manually? Can you get to the internet then?

Funny. I thought this was such a good idea, I was getting ready to do
it, figuring it had to be the solution.....

but found that when I put the first wireless card back in, it worked
after the first reboot. That is, installed the card, installed the
software, entered the WEP and SSID. Reboot. Connected just fine. On
the internet good to go.

So. Same network. Same PC. Same Card. Doesn't work yesterday for
anything, even a hundred reboots. Now, pop the card in, and it works
the first try?

Sunspots? Anyway it works.

Funex out!
 
K

kony

Signal strength is fine. Laptop on wireless connects just fine.
Connection on problem pc is fine.

Your answers are not quite clear...

"Laptop on wireless connects just fine" has nothing at all
to do with what signal strength is seen by the PC that does
not connect/work properly. I was not suggesting an idea
that there are no wifi signals in the air, rather that the
system may not be receiving or sending at sufficient signal
strength. While you also wrote "connection on problem pc is
fine", we don't know exactly what that means- only you have
the system in front of you.

Yes. Router indicated that nic card was online, and nic card did light
up.

Ok, that helps to clarify, but it doesn't exclude a bad
signal stength as a potential problem.

No. Not with the wireless card.

Then this is the area to focus on, determination of what the
applicable settings are. You didn't describe the rest of
your wifi equipment though, or did I overlook it? Are you
using something like a wifi router with DHCP function, and
only that, or more, like another router as a wifi access
point or ???

But even if I put in the regular nic
first, and set that up, actually, had both in at the same time, and
the wireless didn't work.

Don't have them both in at the same time, it's only
additional complications that should be avoided until at
least one works alone, and the other works alone. Then with
both installed, one is bound to the internet connection.

Itself yes. Anything else no. Well, actually, it could ping the
router, when I manually added a gateway and subnet mask. No DHCP
though.

Determine why no DHCP. It appears the card, motherboard,
etc, are working, that the problem is either windows or the
wifi lan itself.

Not available on wireless. works with wired.

You didn't describe the equipment, but it's often (usually?)
available over wireless too unless you'd set specific
security settings. So I wonder what "not available" means,
do you mean "Not supported" or do you mean "couldn't get it
to work"?

Your answers are insufficient.


Assume I did the troubleshooting stuff. I did a lot of troubleshooting
before asking here.

That may be true, but until you tell us exactly what you
did, you'd be wasting our time. We cannot assume you did
"the troubleshooting stuff" because in the end, "the
troubleshooting stuff" will find the problem.

So you see now? Some of that "stuff" you didn't do, and
without knowing exactly what you did do, we can't know what
you didn't, either.

Or, not. I've had wired and wireless running at the same time on other
systems, and it worked just fine when I pulled either out. So, this is
just not applicable.

Not at same time, the operating system assigns priority to
one of them. You might have both installed but the OS
should be using one, not the other, always... it will use
the one with priority and only try the next one if the first
doesn't work, so they're not "at same time".

But why would it work yesterday, and not today?

Do you want your problem solved?

This may not solve it, but if you're going to spend a lot of
time wondering instead of trying, and can't even tell us
what you have tried in concise terms including concise
answers, you may find interest waning.

Umm. Anything relating to connecting over a network to anything other
than the problem computer. The physical 'network' is there. either
wired, or wireless. It works there. But the actual network access.
Connecting to another computer. Connecting to the internet. Pinging
anything other than itself.


Yes. Nothing but itself.

Another incomplete answer.
Goodbye.
 
R

Rod Speed

I waited.

You can have to wait a surprising time at times,
but its more likely to be the problem below.
My understanding is that the router doesn't care if it's a cable, or wireless.

Yes, but the router is irrelevant if the bad PC cant communicate with
the router over the wireless link for whatever reason early in the boot.
That bad PC wont even be able to see the router, so wont be able to
see the DHCP server on the router, so Win98 will assign the IP itself,
and that will normally be in a different IP range to what the DHCP
server assigns to the good PC and the laptop, so you wont be able
to see the bad PC from the good PC and laptop and vice versa.

The proof of that is to see what IP it gets using ipconfig /all
and compare that with the IP the good PC and laptop get.
The connection is the same, except for the security
protocols, which are entered correctly.

Yes, but if the bad PC cant even see the router when its
connecting using the wireless early in the boot, and so
cant see the DHCP server in the router, Win98 will assign
its own IP and that will usually be in a different IP range.
So, for all intensive purposes, this is a wired
connection that's failing without wires.

Its more complicated than that with a DHCP server on the router.
 
R

Rod Speed

I did not know this. Thanks for this helpful info. It was the piece
of the picture I was missing. I'm also sorry for my bad attitude.
I really apologize. Too much time in the computer room.

No problem, a mess like that can fray the temper when
the obvious stuff doesnt work over multiple reconfig trys.
Router seems fine. Hands out stuff on the wire. And wirelessly to the laptop.
Funny. I thought this was such a good idea, I was
getting ready to do it, figuring it had to be the solution.....
but found that when I put the first wireless
card back in, it worked after the first reboot.

Thats what I meant about Win sometimes taking quite
a while to get the hosts file setup after a clean reinstall,
particularly when you are changing things behind its back
with the changes to the lan connection etc at the same time.
That is, installed the card, installed the software, entered the WEP
and SSID. Reboot. Connected just fine. On the internet good to go.

And that is the typical result you see, it suddenly comes good once
the config has been stable for a bit and Win gets its act into gear.
So. Same network. Same PC. Same Card. Doesn't
work yesterday for anything, even a hundred reboots.
Now, pop the card in, and it works the first try?
Sunspots?

Just Win.

Its less clear why it dropped out in the first place, presumably the
wireless connection to the router didnt come up properly that time
and so Win assigned from its own IP range when it couldnt see the
DHCP server that time, and thats why it couldnt see the good PC
and laptop or the internet anymore, different IP range.
Anyway it works.

Thanks for the washup, much better than not saying
what happened when it started working fine.

If it drops out again, check the basics with the wireless
to that bad PC and see if its actually up and if it isnt,
see if you can improve the antenna setup on the bad PC.
 

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