Still no SP1

[Paula]

I still can't get SP1 through WU.
Weren't they going to have some of the driver reinstallation issues fixed by
now?
TIA

 

[TaurArian]

Windows Vista Service Pack 1 is not available for installation from Windows Update and is
not offered by Automatic Updates:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/948343

How to obtain the release notes for Windows Vista Service Pack 1
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936330

How to obtain the latest Windows Vista service pack
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/935791/

Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1) - 434.5 MB
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...6d-5ebb-413b-89c9-cb3d06d12674&DisplayLang=en
Windows6.0-KB936330-X86-wave0.exe

Windows Vista Service Pack 1 for Windows Vista 64-bit (Size: 726.5MB)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...4B-32B2-41CC-BD8B-D71EDA5EC07C&displaylang=en
Windows6.0-KB936330-X64-wave0.exe

Windows Vista Service Pack 1 - All Language Standalone DVD ISO
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...FamilyID=a45652b1-e838-420a-b065-83960458e2ec
6001.18000.080118-1840_iso_client_sp_wave1-FRMCSP1_DVD.iso - 1418.1 MB

Things to know before you download Windows Vista SP1
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsvista/bb968859.aspx


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|I still can't get SP1 through WU.
| Weren't they going to have some of the driver reinstallation issues fixed by
| now?
| TIA
|

 

[Paula]

Thank you for your response but what I am asking is when will it be offered
the normal way? Just through WU? I don't want to force something it
doesn't allow me in the first place. It was my understanding that it would
be offered to all to had been previously denied once the driver
reinstallation issues were resolved. I see a thread from an MVP further
down that it would be offered on April 18. I am still denied. Anyone know?
TIA
paula

 

[Clara Cagigal]

Neither do i. I cannot see the sp1 in windows update. I have a hp laptop
copmpaq 6720s with vista home premium 32 bits. Following the recommendations
read in the forums, i went to the update driver page of hp for my laptop and
my operating sustem. I downloaded 8 drivers, for the synaptics touchpad, for
the chipset, for the analog sound device, for ligthscribe, for the intel
graphics, for ethernet adapter, for wireless modem, all of them more recent
than i had. I installed them , and when i did, the compatibility assistant
program for vista said to me that the drivers were not compatible and that
one of them, the chipset one, didn´t fit the minimum requirements¿¿¿¿¿?????.
So I restored my system to a previous point with my old drivers. When i
tried to update the drivers with the device administrator, it says that i
have the more recent ones for my computer. But the sp1 is not shown for me
in windows update. I would like to know what is the problem. How is it
possible that in hp update page the published drivers for windows vista home
premium 32 bits are not compatible with windows vista?, where is the
mistake?
Regards, Clara
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paula" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:23 AM
Subject: Still no SP1

I still can't get SP1 through WU.
Weren't they going to have some of the driver reinstallation issues fixed
by now?
TIA

 

[Bruce Chambers]

I still can't get SP1 through WU.
Weren't they going to have some of the driver reinstallation issues
fixed by now?
TIA

You'd have to direct that question to your computer's manufacturer;
thats who would have to provide you with the necessary compatible device
drivers before SP1 will be offered to you via Windows Update.


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[Paula]

My computer manufacturer has nothing to do with it. I bought the computer
with XP on it. It is not their responsibility to provide drivers for an
unsupported OS. It is Microsoft's responsibility to provide a compatible
service pack that doesn't break drivers.

 

[occam]

I still can't get SP1 through WU.
Weren't they going to have some of the driver reinstallation issues
fixed by now?
TIA

Paula

go to:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/948343/

and check that your PC satisfies all the pre-requisites

the major cause of a lack of offer is 'cause 5' - in my opinion.

Are all your drivers up to date? Do you see one of your drivers listed
in 'Method for Cause 5'?

Good luck

 

[Paula]

Thank you for your response occam.
Yes, my problem is cause 5 which I have known for a while.
All my drivers are up to date or I should say as much as they can be.
One of my computers that won't update has the conexant problem driver and
the Creative Audigy 2 value problem driver.
The laptop has the SigmaTel driver problem.
I can find no solution from those manufacturers.
It was my understanding the Microsoft was to fix those issues but I see not.
I shudda just stayed with XP. I never had problems like this.
HHHHHHHHHHHHHH
paula

 

[Paula]

You are completely incorrect Sir.
I have been running Vista for over a year now and I DID run the Vista
Advisor prior to deciding to install the upgrade or not. Only my scanner
was an issue and I was ok wiath that. Why even make an upgrade if no one
should ever upgrade. I have had only minor issues and none of the Vista
drivers I had prior to SP1 were a problem. Only after the issue of SP1 is
there a problem.
I will have to address the rest of your ignorant reply later when I have
time.
paula

 

[Bruce Chambers]

My computer manufacturer has nothing to do with it.

That's completely wrong. They - and the manufacturers of the computers
individual internal components - have absolutely everything to do with
it; in fact, they're the *ONLY* ones responsible.

I bought the
computer with XP on it. It is not their responsibility to provide
drivers for an unsupported OS.

If you knew that your computer cannot be made to support Vista, why
have you installed it? Sounds like you're your own worst enemy. You
can't possibly expect Microsoft to develop and provide drivers for other
companies' products. That's completely unrealistic, and it weould
probably be illegal, as well, infringing upon patents and intellectual
properties of the device manufacturers.

It is Microsoft's responsibility to
provide a compatible service pack that doesn't break drivers.

The Service Pack doesn't "break" any drivers; they're already "broken,"
or you'd have been offered the Service Pack. It's the incompatible
drivers currently present on your system that are preventing the Service
Pack from being offered. If you want the Service Pack, replace the
"defective" drivers with properly designed ones from the device
manufacturers.


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[HeyBub]

My computer manufacturer has nothing to do with it. I bought the
computer with XP on it. It is not their responsibility to provide
drivers for an unsupported OS. It is Microsoft's responsibility to
provide a compatible service pack that doesn't break drivers.

Uh, no.

If a hardware manufacturer wants his stuff to work with an OS, it is the
hardware manufacturer's responsibility to provide the necessary interface
(driver).

Microsoft produces an OS with well-documented APIs that the drivers use. If
a driver does not conform to the standard, that's the driver's problem. For
example, a driver-writer might take advantage of an un-documented feature or
a bug in the API. If he does, he's playing Russian Roulette. MS may change
the action of the un-documented feature or correct the bug to conform the
API to the published specifications.

Here's another example: hardware folks used to actually replace system DLLs
(that contained the APIs) with versions that could work with their hardware.
This, of course, broke other applications. Vista put the kebosh on that
nonsense by disallowing replacement of vital system components. Now the
hardware (and software) people HAVE to conform to the standards. Some don't
do a very good job.

Here's another example: For TEN years, Microsoft has been telling developers
to NOT use the registry as a scratch-pad - a place to store program
parameters and variables. With Vista, they enforced the rule. Presto: All
prior versions of Quickbooks won't work on Vista.

No, it is entirely the responsibility of the hardware vendors to provide
drivers that conform to Vista's published standards. If a hardware driver
DOES conform and still doesn't work, Microsoft will cooperate with the
hardware vendor to find a fix their part of the problem.

 

[occam]

Hi Paula

If your laptop is Dell, you are in luck. Check this:

------
"I found the driver for Sigma Tel Audio for Vista SP1"

Ok someone on the dell forum actually found an updated driver on Dells
website and it is actually in the wrong place but it is for the E520,
E521 and a bunch more.
This driver is R173209.exe
it is version 6.10.0.5515

to get it

http://support.us.dell.com/support/...eid=R173209&formatcnt=1&libid=0&fileid=235508

When you go to install it- it will show you all the systems it can go on
If yours is NOT listed just cancel the install.

 

[Paula]

Where do you see sir, that I said I knew that my computer could not be made
to support Vista??? I said quite the opposite! In fact, the Microsoft
Advisor said my computer was fine to upgrade. Are you saying that I should
have had ESP and known that a year later my hardware would not be supported
with SP1 !!! GET REAL!
paula

 

[Paula]

Thanks so much for looking into that for me occcam. Unfortunately it did
not work.
Thanks though.
paula

 

[Paula]

Yes, yes I know all that Bub but MS and the Vendors have to work together.
MS can't just put out a Service Pack that doesn't work with some computers
and/or leave some crippled.
That is what I am saying. And what I am asking and still have not been
answered, so I can only assume no one knows, is that, and I repeat, wasn't
it said by MS that for those who could not previously install SP1 that a fix
was coming in April ? I see no evidence to that and now I have my doubts
and I am worried that we who could not upgrade will be left out on a limb!
paula

 

[Mark L. Ferguson]

Although SP1 is a convenient way to update an original Vista install, there
is nothing much a non-domain member needs from it that individual updates
don't provide. Since your hardware seller is not supporting it, you should
probably pursue whatever warrantee they sold you, and mark the SP1 update as
'disabled' until they do. (rightclick the SP1 offer in the update app, after
you turn off automatic update, and uninstall SP1 if you have it)

 

[Paula]

Ok I understand the first part of your reply but I am afraid I have no idea
what you mean by:
"mark the SP1 update as
'disabled' until they do. (rightclick the SP1 offer in the update app,
after
you turn off automatic update, and uninstall SP1 if you have it)"

paula

 

[Paula]

I had a very *NICE* person named Tyrone help me over in the Dell Forums and
consequently I now have SP1 successfully installed! YES!
Seems the people over there are much nicer and not as condescending like
some over here.
paula

 

[Gary]

Hi Paula,

I am also having problems updating my Dell to SP1 using Windows Update. Did
you eventually get SP1 installed after upgrading drivers and then using
Windows Update or did you use just download the standalone version? Glad
you got your problem solved.

-Gary

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Yes, yes I know all that Bub but MS and the Vendors have to work
together. MS can't just put out a Service Pack that doesn't work with
some computers and/or leave some crippled.

Of course they can. It's their OS. And the very same thing happened
when WinXP's SP1 prevented several OEM's from using illicit API calls.

That is what I am saying. And what I am asking and still have not been
answered, so I can only assume no one knows, is that, and I repeat,
wasn't it said by MS that for those who could not previously install SP1
that a fix was coming in April ?

If you read that somewhere, you'll have to tell where you found it.
I've not seen anything to that affect from Microsoft, nor would I ever
expect to have done so. Your problem can only be addressed by your
computer's manufacturer, as you've been told numerous times, now.





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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot