Split Tokens? - Network Shares - red X's, map/unmap


J

Julian

Vista HP... I really don't understand this Split Token stuff, all I know is
that mapped drive "status" seems to bear no relation to actual status...

Specifics: I have a number of mapped shares on a NAS device (Thecus N5200),
which I set up by "Map Network Drive"... and I then created "links"
(?shortcuts?) to the mapped drives as displayed in Computer and placed them
on the desktop... [I am in the Administrator a/c, which I use all the time,
with UAC on]

Problems:

a) In "Computer" the red X/green tick status is sometimes right - but not
often
b) The shortcuts either have red X/green ticks but the choice seems to be a
largely whimsical decision by Vista

Steve Schwab said (in another thread "Red X on network shares")
it is a problem with the "split token" Vista uses for an administrator
account.
What you need to do is create a logon script and use the "net use" command
to map your drives. These are created using the "real" administrator
priviledges

Well I tried the alternative (HP doesn't support logon scripts), which was
to set up a batch file and run it as Administrator... (as a preliminary to
using the Task Scheduler to run it as Admin at logon time) but it didn't
seem to make much difference, then I realised I should probably unmap the
existing mappings first - hence the Q: how is that done via the UI? I can't
find anyway to UNmap...

Secondly, I did unmap the drives by net use /delete (in Cmd Run As
Administrator), but when I remapped (again using net use) I didn't see any
difference in the problems described above.

Any ideas? It's just an aggravation as I can actually access the contents if
the shares are actually there, but I've got a stinking cold, a pain in all
the diodes (or at least one) down my left arm and I'm cranky and want
it/*something* fixed today <g>

TIA, Julian
 
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R

Robert L. \(MS-MVP\)

Microsoft has a hotfix that may fix this is issue. This post may help.
Please post back with the result.

Vista: mapping drive with a red XSymptom: You may see a red "X" appears in
the icon for a mapped network drive in Folders area of Windows Explorer.
This problem may occur if the following ...
www.chicagotech.net/netforums/viewtopic.php?p=2208


--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com


Julian said:
Vista HP... I really don't understand this Split Token stuff, all I know
is that mapped drive "status" seems to bear no relation to actual
status...

Specifics: I have a number of mapped shares on a NAS device (Thecus
N5200), which I set up by "Map Network Drive"... and I then created
"links" (?shortcuts?) to the mapped drives as displayed in Computer and
placed them on the desktop... [I am in the Administrator a/c, which I use
all the time, with UAC on]

Problems:

a) In "Computer" the red X/green tick status is sometimes right - but not
often
b) The shortcuts either have red X/green ticks but the choice seems to be
a largely whimsical decision by Vista

Steve Schwab said (in another thread "Red X on network shares")
it is a problem with the "split token" Vista uses for an administrator
account.
What you need to do is create a logon script and use the "net use" command
to map your drives. These are created using the "real" administrator
priviledges

Well I tried the alternative (HP doesn't support logon scripts), which was
to set up a batch file and run it as Administrator... (as a preliminary to
using the Task Scheduler to run it as Admin at logon time) but it didn't
seem to make much difference, then I realised I should probably unmap the
existing mappings first - hence the Q: how is that done via the UI? I
can't find anyway to UNmap...

Secondly, I did unmap the drives by net use /delete (in Cmd Run As
Administrator), but when I remapped (again using net use) I didn't see any
difference in the problems described above.

Any ideas? It's just an aggravation as I can actually access the contents
if the shares are actually there, but I've got a stinking cold, a pain in
all the diodes (or at least one) down my left arm and I'm cranky and want
it/*something* fixed today <g>

TIA, Julian
 
J

Julian

Request for the Hotfix has been submitted - will get back when I have
received a link, downloaded and installed...

Thanks...

--
Julian I-Do-Stuff

Some Vista stuff, but mostly just Stuff at http://berossus,blogspot.com
Robert L. (MS-MVP) said:
Microsoft has a hotfix that may fix this is issue. This post may help.
Please post back with the result.

Vista: mapping drive with a red XSymptom: You may see a red "X" appears in
the icon for a mapped network drive in Folders area of Windows Explorer.
This problem may occur if the following ...
www.chicagotech.net/netforums/viewtopic.php?p=2208


--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com


Julian said:
Vista HP... I really don't understand this Split Token stuff, all I know
is that mapped drive "status" seems to bear no relation to actual
status...

Specifics: I have a number of mapped shares on a NAS device (Thecus
N5200), which I set up by "Map Network Drive"... and I then created
"links" (?shortcuts?) to the mapped drives as displayed in Computer and
placed them on the desktop... [I am in the Administrator a/c, which I use
all the time, with UAC on]

Problems:

a) In "Computer" the red X/green tick status is sometimes right - but not
often
b) The shortcuts either have red X/green ticks but the choice seems to be
a largely whimsical decision by Vista

Steve Schwab said (in another thread "Red X on network shares")
it is a problem with the "split token" Vista uses for an administrator
account.
What you need to do is create a logon script and use the "net use"
command
to map your drives. These are created using the "real" administrator
priviledges

Well I tried the alternative (HP doesn't support logon scripts), which
was to set up a batch file and run it as Administrator... (as a
preliminary to using the Task Scheduler to run it as Admin at logon time)
but it didn't seem to make much difference, then I realised I should
probably unmap the existing mappings first - hence the Q: how is that
done via the UI? I can't find anyway to UNmap...

Secondly, I did unmap the drives by net use /delete (in Cmd Run As
Administrator), but when I remapped (again using net use) I didn't see
any difference in the problems described above.

Any ideas? It's just an aggravation as I can actually access the contents
if the shares are actually there, but I've got a stinking cold, a pain in
all the diodes (or at least one) down my left arm and I'm cranky and want
it/*something* fixed today <g>

TIA, Julian
 
J

Julian

OK - the request was submitted and a link (with password) received by email
less than 4 hours later; downloaded and installed OK; system restarted.

(All icons referred to are mapped shares on the same network storage device;
Windows Explorer view of Computer set to Tiles)

1. On system restart Computer and Desktop icons showed Green/ticked for
connected network shares (right)

Laptop goes to sleep; NAS device turned off, laptop woken

2. Desktop shortcuts still Green/Ticked (wrong), Computer icons show Red/X
(right)

NAS started

3. Computer shows all Red X's.... wait for green progress bar to complete...
no change
4. Computer "refreshed"(F5) several times (a couple of seconds betwen each),
each time one more share turned green

Delay could have been due to the network connection to the NAS being
initialised, so I shutdown the NAS to watch it again more closely....

NAS OFF

5. Computer icons still Green/Ticked - refreshed and they all turned red
immediately; desktop shortcuts still Green/Ticked - refresh dsktop - no
change.
6. Double click a desktop shortcut... and when I look at Computer again all
the icons are Green/Ticked... refresh and they all turn back to Red

NAS Started... network to NAS initialised

7 Without manual refresh, Computer Icons acquire space used/free indicators
accurately reflecting status.... but remain Red/X (wrong)
8 Manual refresh of Computer and icons turn green (right)

So, not exactly a "fix" in my book... some improvement maybe (hard to tell)
but (7) is just daft...

Julian


--
Julian I-Do-Stuff

Some Vista stuff, but mostly just Stuff at http://berossus,blogspot.com
Robert L. (MS-MVP) said:
Microsoft has a hotfix that may fix this is issue. This post may help.
Please post back with the result.

Vista: mapping drive with a red XSymptom: You may see a red "X" appears in
the icon for a mapped network drive in Folders area of Windows Explorer.
This problem may occur if the following ...
www.chicagotech.net/netforums/viewtopic.php?p=2208


--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com


Julian said:
Vista HP... I really don't understand this Split Token stuff, all I know
is that mapped drive "status" seems to bear no relation to actual
status...

Specifics: I have a number of mapped shares on a NAS device (Thecus
N5200), which I set up by "Map Network Drive"... and I then created
"links" (?shortcuts?) to the mapped drives as displayed in Computer and
placed them on the desktop... [I am in the Administrator a/c, which I use
all the time, with UAC on]

Problems:

a) In "Computer" the red X/green tick status is sometimes right - but not
often
b) The shortcuts either have red X/green ticks but the choice seems to be
a largely whimsical decision by Vista

Steve Schwab said (in another thread "Red X on network shares")
it is a problem with the "split token" Vista uses for an administrator
account.
What you need to do is create a logon script and use the "net use"
command
to map your drives. These are created using the "real" administrator
priviledges

Well I tried the alternative (HP doesn't support logon scripts), which
was to set up a batch file and run it as Administrator... (as a
preliminary to using the Task Scheduler to run it as Admin at logon time)
but it didn't seem to make much difference, then I realised I should
probably unmap the existing mappings first - hence the Q: how is that
done via the UI? I can't find anyway to UNmap...

Secondly, I did unmap the drives by net use /delete (in Cmd Run As
Administrator), but when I remapped (again using net use) I didn't see
any difference in the problems described above.

Any ideas? It's just an aggravation as I can actually access the contents
if the shares are actually there, but I've got a stinking cold, a pain in
all the diodes (or at least one) down my left arm and I'm cranky and want
it/*something* fixed today <g>

TIA, Julian
 
R

Robert L. \(MS-MVP\)

For a test, try to disable the UAC. Please post back with the result.

--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com


Julian said:
OK - the request was submitted and a link (with password) received by
email less than 4 hours later; downloaded and installed OK; system
restarted.

(All icons referred to are mapped shares on the same network storage
device; Windows Explorer view of Computer set to Tiles)

1. On system restart Computer and Desktop icons showed Green/ticked for
connected network shares (right)

Laptop goes to sleep; NAS device turned off, laptop woken

2. Desktop shortcuts still Green/Ticked (wrong), Computer icons show Red/X
(right)

NAS started

3. Computer shows all Red X's.... wait for green progress bar to
complete... no change
4. Computer "refreshed"(F5) several times (a couple of seconds betwen
each), each time one more share turned green

Delay could have been due to the network connection to the NAS being
initialised, so I shutdown the NAS to watch it again more closely....

NAS OFF

5. Computer icons still Green/Ticked - refreshed and they all turned red
immediately; desktop shortcuts still Green/Ticked - refresh dsktop - no
change.
6. Double click a desktop shortcut... and when I look at Computer again
all the icons are Green/Ticked... refresh and they all turn back to Red

NAS Started... network to NAS initialised

7 Without manual refresh, Computer Icons acquire space used/free
indicators accurately reflecting status.... but remain Red/X (wrong)
8 Manual refresh of Computer and icons turn green (right)

So, not exactly a "fix" in my book... some improvement maybe (hard to
tell) but (7) is just daft...

Julian


--
Julian I-Do-Stuff

Some Vista stuff, but mostly just Stuff at http://berossus,blogspot.com
Robert L. (MS-MVP) said:
Microsoft has a hotfix that may fix this is issue. This post may help.
Please post back with the result.

Vista: mapping drive with a red XSymptom: You may see a red "X" appears
in the icon for a mapped network drive in Folders area of Windows
Explorer. This problem may occur if the following ...
www.chicagotech.net/netforums/viewtopic.php?p=2208


--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com


Julian said:
Vista HP... I really don't understand this Split Token stuff, all I know
is that mapped drive "status" seems to bear no relation to actual
status...

Specifics: I have a number of mapped shares on a NAS device (Thecus
N5200), which I set up by "Map Network Drive"... and I then created
"links" (?shortcuts?) to the mapped drives as displayed in Computer and
placed them on the desktop... [I am in the Administrator a/c, which I
use all the time, with UAC on]

Problems:

a) In "Computer" the red X/green tick status is sometimes right - but
not often
b) The shortcuts either have red X/green ticks but the choice seems to
be a largely whimsical decision by Vista

Steve Schwab said (in another thread "Red X on network shares")

it is a problem with the "split token" Vista uses for an administrator
account.
What you need to do is create a logon script and use the "net use"
command
to map your drives. These are created using the "real" administrator
priviledges

Well I tried the alternative (HP doesn't support logon scripts), which
was to set up a batch file and run it as Administrator... (as a
preliminary to using the Task Scheduler to run it as Admin at logon
time) but it didn't seem to make much difference, then I realised I
should probably unmap the existing mappings first - hence the Q: how is
that done via the UI? I can't find anyway to UNmap...

Secondly, I did unmap the drives by net use /delete (in Cmd Run As
Administrator), but when I remapped (again using net use) I didn't see
any difference in the problems described above.

Any ideas? It's just an aggravation as I can actually access the
contents if the shares are actually there, but I've got a stinking cold,
a pain in all the diodes (or at least one) down my left arm and I'm
cranky and want it/*something* fixed today <g>

TIA, Julian
 
J

Julian

Thanks Robert, a timely suggestion... I was just about to uninstall the
hotfix...will try that and get back...

--
Julian I-Do-Stuff

Some Vista stuff, but mostly just Stuff at http://berossus,blogspot.com
Robert L. (MS-MVP) said:
For a test, try to disable the UAC. Please post back with the result.

--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com


Julian said:
OK - the request was submitted and a link (with password) received by
email less than 4 hours later; downloaded and installed OK; system
restarted.

(All icons referred to are mapped shares on the same network storage
device; Windows Explorer view of Computer set to Tiles)

1. On system restart Computer and Desktop icons showed Green/ticked for
connected network shares (right)

Laptop goes to sleep; NAS device turned off, laptop woken

2. Desktop shortcuts still Green/Ticked (wrong), Computer icons show
Red/X (right)

NAS started

3. Computer shows all Red X's.... wait for green progress bar to
complete... no change
4. Computer "refreshed"(F5) several times (a couple of seconds betwen
each), each time one more share turned green

Delay could have been due to the network connection to the NAS being
initialised, so I shutdown the NAS to watch it again more closely....

NAS OFF

5. Computer icons still Green/Ticked - refreshed and they all turned red
immediately; desktop shortcuts still Green/Ticked - refresh dsktop - no
change.
6. Double click a desktop shortcut... and when I look at Computer again
all the icons are Green/Ticked... refresh and they all turn back to Red

NAS Started... network to NAS initialised

7 Without manual refresh, Computer Icons acquire space used/free
indicators accurately reflecting status.... but remain Red/X (wrong)
8 Manual refresh of Computer and icons turn green (right)

So, not exactly a "fix" in my book... some improvement maybe (hard to
tell) but (7) is just daft...

Julian


--
Julian I-Do-Stuff

Some Vista stuff, but mostly just Stuff at http://berossus,blogspot.com
Robert L. (MS-MVP) said:
Microsoft has a hotfix that may fix this is issue. This post may help.
Please post back with the result.

Vista: mapping drive with a red XSymptom: You may see a red "X" appears
in the icon for a mapped network drive in Folders area of Windows
Explorer. This problem may occur if the following ...
www.chicagotech.net/netforums/viewtopic.php?p=2208


--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com


Vista HP... I really don't understand this Split Token stuff, all I
know is that mapped drive "status" seems to bear no relation to actual
status...

Specifics: I have a number of mapped shares on a NAS device (Thecus
N5200), which I set up by "Map Network Drive"... and I then created
"links" (?shortcuts?) to the mapped drives as displayed in Computer and
placed them on the desktop... [I am in the Administrator a/c, which I
use all the time, with UAC on]

Problems:

a) In "Computer" the red X/green tick status is sometimes right - but
not often
b) The shortcuts either have red X/green ticks but the choice seems to
be a largely whimsical decision by Vista

Steve Schwab said (in another thread "Red X on network shares")

it is a problem with the "split token" Vista uses for an administrator
account.
What you need to do is create a logon script and use the "net use"
command
to map your drives. These are created using the "real" administrator
priviledges

Well I tried the alternative (HP doesn't support logon scripts), which
was to set up a batch file and run it as Administrator... (as a
preliminary to using the Task Scheduler to run it as Admin at logon
time) but it didn't seem to make much difference, then I realised I
should probably unmap the existing mappings first - hence the Q: how is
that done via the UI? I can't find anyway to UNmap...

Secondly, I did unmap the drives by net use /delete (in Cmd Run As
Administrator), but when I remapped (again using net use) I didn't see
any difference in the problems described above.

Any ideas? It's just an aggravation as I can actually access the
contents if the shares are actually there, but I've got a stinking
cold, a pain in all the diodes (or at least one) down my left arm and
I'm cranky and want it/*something* fixed today <g>

TIA, Julian
 
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J

Julian

Been there, done that (ie try it with UAC off), no obvious difference was
apparent...

Vista happily says how much of the drive is free but the Red/X remains until
one has "opened" the drive to view the contents wit Windows Explorer...
thereafter it is Green/Tick in Computer but the shortcuts remain Red/X
despite deskotp refreshes.

One small observation though... in recreating my drive mappings I used the
"as another use" feature to connect to my Freecom Storage Gateway, and
having provided username and pwd Vista connects to it well *AND* the icons
in Computer are always correct... (though of course shortcuts remain Red/X,
i.e. out of sync)

A three-pipe problem I think...

--
Julian I-Do-Stuff

Some Vista stuff, but mostly just Stuff at http://berossus,blogspot.com
Robert L. (MS-MVP) said:
For a test, try to disable the UAC. Please post back with the result.

--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com


Julian said:
OK - the request was submitted and a link (with password) received by
email less than 4 hours later; downloaded and installed OK; system
restarted.

(All icons referred to are mapped shares on the same network storage
device; Windows Explorer view of Computer set to Tiles)

1. On system restart Computer and Desktop icons showed Green/ticked for
connected network shares (right)

Laptop goes to sleep; NAS device turned off, laptop woken

2. Desktop shortcuts still Green/Ticked (wrong), Computer icons show
Red/X (right)

NAS started

3. Computer shows all Red X's.... wait for green progress bar to
complete... no change
4. Computer "refreshed"(F5) several times (a couple of seconds betwen
each), each time one more share turned green

Delay could have been due to the network connection to the NAS being
initialised, so I shutdown the NAS to watch it again more closely....

NAS OFF

5. Computer icons still Green/Ticked - refreshed and they all turned red
immediately; desktop shortcuts still Green/Ticked - refresh dsktop - no
change.
6. Double click a desktop shortcut... and when I look at Computer again
all the icons are Green/Ticked... refresh and they all turn back to Red

NAS Started... network to NAS initialised

7 Without manual refresh, Computer Icons acquire space used/free
indicators accurately reflecting status.... but remain Red/X (wrong)
8 Manual refresh of Computer and icons turn green (right)

So, not exactly a "fix" in my book... some improvement maybe (hard to
tell) but (7) is just daft...

Julian


--
Julian I-Do-Stuff

Some Vista stuff, but mostly just Stuff at http://berossus,blogspot.com
Robert L. (MS-MVP) said:
Microsoft has a hotfix that may fix this is issue. This post may help.
Please post back with the result.

Vista: mapping drive with a red XSymptom: You may see a red "X" appears
in the icon for a mapped network drive in Folders area of Windows
Explorer. This problem may occur if the following ...
www.chicagotech.net/netforums/viewtopic.php?p=2208


--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com


Vista HP... I really don't understand this Split Token stuff, all I
know is that mapped drive "status" seems to bear no relation to actual
status...

Specifics: I have a number of mapped shares on a NAS device (Thecus
N5200), which I set up by "Map Network Drive"... and I then created
"links" (?shortcuts?) to the mapped drives as displayed in Computer and
placed them on the desktop... [I am in the Administrator a/c, which I
use all the time, with UAC on]

Problems:

a) In "Computer" the red X/green tick status is sometimes right - but
not often
b) The shortcuts either have red X/green ticks but the choice seems to
be a largely whimsical decision by Vista

Steve Schwab said (in another thread "Red X on network shares")

it is a problem with the "split token" Vista uses for an administrator
account.
What you need to do is create a logon script and use the "net use"
command
to map your drives. These are created using the "real" administrator
priviledges

Well I tried the alternative (HP doesn't support logon scripts), which
was to set up a batch file and run it as Administrator... (as a
preliminary to using the Task Scheduler to run it as Admin at logon
time) but it didn't seem to make much difference, then I realised I
should probably unmap the existing mappings first - hence the Q: how is
that done via the UI? I can't find anyway to UNmap...

Secondly, I did unmap the drives by net use /delete (in Cmd Run As
Administrator), but when I remapped (again using net use) I didn't see
any difference in the problems described above.

Any ideas? It's just an aggravation as I can actually access the
contents if the shares are actually there, but I've got a stinking
cold, a pain in all the diodes (or at least one) down my left arm and
I'm cranky and want it/*something* fixed today <g>

TIA, Julian
 

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