sp2 to sp1

[Guest]

It worked in your case because you did not delete the SP1 uninstall file
directory
( $NTServicePackUinistall$) prior to performing a repair install with a RTM
CD.

 

[Dilip]

Hi Torgeir,

If the computer was supplied with an SP2 slipstreamed CD from the retailer
(with WinXP SP2 slipstream installation), where are the pre SP2 files
supposed to come from whilst performing the repair? Are you possibly
talking about using another SP1 disk altogether? In that case, would there
be product key complications, and where could this be procured from. I hate
to say this, but Carey might be right this time?

Please verify, thanks.

 

[Steve N.]

If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD,
you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and
the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort.

Now how can I put this mildly?...

I just did it with a clean install of XP Pro OEM SP2 and did a repair
install from an XP Pro OEM SP1 CD. No errors, no problems, the box is
now running XP Pro SP1.

You are a liar and a fraud. You never test anything. I do and I've
proven you wrong once again.

You don't deserve the MVP title.

Steve

 

[Torgeir Bakken \(MVP\)]

If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1
CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be
removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort.

Hi,

No, you will not...

I have just tested this:

Clean install using a WinXP CD with SP2 slipstreamed. Now I have a
WinXP SP2 installation where the $NtServicePackUninstall$ and
ServicePackFiles folder does NOT exist. Winver.exe reports that
Service Pack 2 is installed.

Then I use a WinXP CD with SP1 slipstreamed and do a repair install
following the instructions in step 1 to 6 that is listed here:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

I get no error messages about incompatible service pack levels or
files, everything goes smoothly.

After the repair install is finished and the computer reboots, I have
Windows XP with Service Pack 1 installed. Winver.exe reports that
Service Pack 1 is installed, and e.g. the Security Center is gone.

Conclusion:
With a repair install, you can remove SP2 for WinXP even when SP2 was
slipstreamed into the OS install media, or if you have deleted the
$NtServicePackUninstall$ folder.

 

[Torgeir Bakken \(MVP\)]

Hi Torgeir,

If the computer was supplied with an SP2 slipstreamed CD from the
retailer (with WinXP SP2 slipstream installation), where are the
pre SP2 files supposed to come from whilst performing the repair?

From the WinXP SP1 CD that you use for the repair operation.

Are you possibly talking about using another SP1 disk
altogether?
Yes.


In that case, would there be product key complications,
and where could this be procured from.

As long as the WinXP SP1 OS is of the same type as the original WinXP SP2 OS installation,
there will be no product key complications.

I hate to say this, but Carey might be right this time?

Nope.

 

[R. McCarty]

Well I'm late with my results, but a VPC with XP-SP2 was
repaired with the original "Gold" version CD-ROM. Worked
as expected, no issues. The SP2 XP instance was slipstreamed
so no SP Uninstall or ServicePackFiles factored into the test.

 

[Torgeir Bakken \(MVP\)]

If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD,
you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and
the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort.

Hi,

That did not happen for me when following the instructions here:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

This on a slipstreamed WinXP SP2 installation (so the
$NTServicePackUinistall$ folder did not exist).

The computer ended up with WinXP SP1 installed.

 

[Steve N.]

Hi,

No, you will not...

I have just tested this:

Clean install using a WinXP CD with SP2 slipstreamed. Now I have a
WinXP SP2 installation where the $NtServicePackUninstall$ and
ServicePackFiles folder does NOT exist. Winver.exe reports that
Service Pack 2 is installed.

Then I use a WinXP CD with SP1 slipstreamed and do a repair install
following the instructions in step 1 to 6 that is listed here:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

I get no error messages about incompatible service pack levels or
files, everything goes smoothly.

After the repair install is finished and the computer reboots, I have
Windows XP with Service Pack 1 installed. Winver.exe reports that
Service Pack 1 is installed, and e.g. the Security Center is gone.

Conclusion:
With a repair install, you can remove SP2 for WinXP even when SP2 was
slipstreamed into the OS install media, or if you have deleted the
$NtServicePackUninstall$ folder.

And I can attest that a clean install from an OEM Win XP Pro Sp2 CD (not
slipstreamed) can be taken back to SP1 with a repair install from an XP
Pro OEM SP1 CD.

Carey is full of it, as is nearly usual. He never tests anything for
himself.

Thanks again, Torgeir.

Steve

 

[kurttrail]

No, you will not...

I have just tested this:

Clean install using a WinXP CD with SP2 slipstreamed. Now I have a
WinXP SP2 installation where the $NtServicePackUninstall$ and
ServicePackFiles folder does NOT exist. Winver.exe reports that
Service Pack 2 is installed.

Then I use a WinXP CD with SP1 slipstreamed and do a repair install
following the instructions in step 1 to 6 that is listed here:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

I get no error messages about incompatible service pack levels or
files, everything goes smoothly.

After the repair install is finished and the computer reboots, I have
Windows XP with Service Pack 1 installed. Winver.exe reports that
Service Pack 1 is installed, and e.g. the Security Center is gone.

Conclusion:
With a repair install, you can remove SP2 for WinXP even when SP2 was
slipstreamed into the OS install media, or if you have deleted the
$NtServicePackUninstall$ folder.

I was gonna test it myself after the Indy 500 was over, but you saved me
from having to.

Again, thanks Torgeir!

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[kurttrail]

Hi Torgeir,

If the computer was supplied with an SP2 slipstreamed CD from the
retailer (with WinXP SP2 slipstream installation), where are the pre
SP2 files supposed to come from whilst performing the repair? Are
you possibly talking about using another SP1 disk altogether? In
that case, would there be product key complications, and where could
this be procured from. I hate to say this, but Carey might be right
this time?
Please verify, thanks.

There are no key changes between SP1 & 2. As long as you are using the
same type of XP, OEM SP1 to repair a OEM SP2 install. Or Retail SP1 to
repair a Retail SP2 install.

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[Stephen]

"Liar" is a little harsh here. Someone may not have their facts right, but
that doesn't make them a liar. And even Windows wizzes can't cover
everything so although he might be mistaken, "fraud" too is a little harsh,
at least in my opinion.

 

[kurttrail]

"Liar" is a little harsh here. Someone may not have their facts
right, but that doesn't make them a liar. And even Windows wizzes
can't cover everything so although he might be mistaken, "fraud" too
is a little harsh, at least in my opinion.

And who the f*^ck are you? Do you know Carey's track record of being
wrong? If you don't then you should just shut the f*^ck up!

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[Steve N.]

"Liar" is a little harsh here. Someone may not have their facts right, but
that doesn't make them a liar. And even Windows wizzes can't cover
everything so although he might be mistaken, "fraud" too is a little harsh,
at least in my opinion.

Hey Stephen,

I appreciate your reply and concern.

I don't know which of these NGs you regularly participate in, but over
in xp.gen Carey Frisch is a proven liar and fraud.

I'm sorry if my post seems harsh to you, but Carey has admitted in the
past that he never pays any attention to criticism unless it is negative
and insulting and I'm just trying (along with some other regulars over
there) to get him to either wake up and change his crappy habits, or
shut the hell up.

This is the first time (that I know of) that another MVP has publicly
corrected him in xp.gen and he's still back-pedalling and spouting
bullcrap over it. He didn't test the scanario in question (I know,
because I did, on my own machine and at the expense of my own time,
effort and potential data loss, and guess what? It worked!) and he still
doesn't cop to this or any other "mistakes" he has made! That proves to
me (and many others) that he has no respect for the rest of us non-MVP
regulars who have the balls to challenge him. I don't know about you,
but in my mind that makes him a fraud and someone who habitually tells
lies and is unrepentive is just a liar, plain and simple.

At best Carey is a copy/paste bot that is sometimes right (mostly by
accident, I think), at worst he's a liar and a fraud that has no concern
for actually helping people, he apparently just wants to keep his MVP
title by being so prolific with posts citing MS KB articles and
propaganda (even if they have no bearing on the issues raised or
questions asked) in so many newsgroups that he can't possibly lose. Well
guess what? The rest of us are wise to his BS and are calling him on it.

Don't take my word for it, do your own research on this clown.

Steve

 

[Ted Zieglar]

< lol > I've been reading Carey's posts for years. He is consistently right
on the money, as much as any human being can be, and I've learned a great
deal from his answers to peoples' questions. Which is more than I can say
for you.

Ted Zieglar

 

[David Candy]

But he is bland. He does not have a personality. He needs a good flame war so we can see who he really is.

 

[Dilip]

Are you possibly talking about using another SP1 disk

Yes.

Well yes, then, of course this would work. The problem might be getting one
of those disks from the manufacturer. There was never a doubt in my mind
that a roll back of SP2 to SP1 could be performed with an SP1 disk - I've
deleted all the uninstall directories and done this earlier (I've messed a
*lot* with installations . The real deal was to *get* this disk from the
OEM (if a slipstreamed SP2 disk was supplied originally) which I suspect,
they may fuss about. Has anyone tried this?

As long as the WinXP SP1 OS is of the same type as the original WinXP SP2
OS installation, there will be no product key complications.



Nope.

No surprises there; we all know it .

 

[Steve N.]

< lol > I've been reading Carey's posts for years. He is consistently
right on the money, as much as any human being can be, and I've learned
a great deal from his answers to peoples' questions. Which is more than
I can say for you.

Ted Zieglar

I admit it when I'm wrong. Carey never does, and he is NOT consistently
right on the money. He gives rote answers that often don't even apply to
the questions asked and he doesn't test or research things before
answering. I do test and research my answers and I've proven him wrong
many times, as have others. Sure, he's right many times, and anyone is
allowed to make mistakes, but he lacks the respect for people to follow
up or admit it when he's wrong and he refuses to learn anything from
anyone else. He diverts issues or merely repeats himself when
confronted, that is if he even bothers to reply at all.

Steve

 

[Stephen]

Well one thing I intend to do is set up the scenario - I'm curious.

 

[kurttrail]

< lol > I've been reading Carey's posts for years. He is consistently
right on the money, as much as any human being can be, and I've
learned a great deal from his answers to peoples' questions. Which is
more than I can say for you.

LOL! Then you are blind, deaf, and dumb, and I don't mean the latter as
in you are incapable of speaking.

Carey is the most consistently wrong regular, MVP or non-MVP, in XP-gen.
He often misreads post, so that what he copies and pastes often has
nothing to do with what the OP is asking.

And the only thing that is consistent about Carey is that he copies and
paste his answers. And if you didn't know how to copy and paste then
Carey would be an authority on that, and that only! Carey regurgitates
the answers of others, and hasn't shown that to me that he knows
ANYTHING about computing, other than copying and pasting, and how to use
OE as a newsreader, and I've reading his posts for at least the last 3
years.

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[kurttrail]

Well yes, then, of course this would work.

Not according to Carey. He categorically denied that it would work.

The problem might be
getting one of those disks from the manufacturer.

"Is there anyway to bring down an sp2 machine to sp1? Possibly by
reinstalling from xp sp1 cd on top of a sp2 installation?"

One would presume that the OP already had access to the SP1 CD, if he
was asking whether is could help in downgrading to SP2 to SP1.

There was never a
doubt in my mind that a roll back of SP2 to SP1 could be performed
with an SP1 disk - I've deleted all the uninstall directories and
done this earlier (I've messed a *lot* with installations . The
real deal was to *get* this disk from the OEM (if a slipstreamed SP2
disk was supplied originally) which I suspect, they may fuss about.
Has anyone tried this?

I don't see that as a relevant question in this thread. But I doubt an
OEM would supply any CD media that it is not required to supply.

No surprises there; we all know it .

LOL! At least most of us know it.

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