SP2 slipstreaming: into original or SP1?

[Larc]

When I slipstream SP2 into XP, should I integrate it into the original XP setup
or the setup with SP1 already slipstreamed in? Or does it matter?

My best guess is that it would be cleaner to integrate SP2 into the original
setup files — especially since all needed parts of SP1 are supposed to be
present in SP2.

Any definite strategy?

Larc



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[Guest]

Larc,

Slipstreaming SP2 is fine, it has all the necessary components of SP1 in it,
no need to install SP1 then SP2.

See my previous posting on how to make the ROM with SP2 in it. Very easy to
do and it works great.

Nospam

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Since SP2 is a replacement of SP1, use your original
Windows XP CD for slipstreaming.

Windows Slipstreaming and Bootable CD Guide
http://www.msfn.org/articles.php?action=show&showarticle=49

Information on AutoStreamer 1.0
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=188337&st=0&#entry2453585

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Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
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| When I slipstream SP2 into XP, should I integrate it into the original XP setup
| or the setup with SP1 already slipstreamed in? Or does it matter?
|
| My best guess is that it would be cleaner to integrate SP2 into the original
| setup files - especially since all needed parts of SP1 are supposed to be
| present in SP2.
|
| Any definite strategy?
|
| Larc
|

 

[Jerold Schulman]

When I slipstream SP2 into XP, should I integrate it into the original XP setup
or the setup with SP1 already slipstreamed in? Or does it matter?

My best guess is that it would be cleaner to integrate SP2 into the original
setup files — especially since all needed parts of SP1 are supposed to be
present in SP2.

Any definite strategy?

Larc



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It doesn't matter.

The end-result is an Windows XP SP2 CD.


Jerold Schulman
Windows: General MVP
JSI, Inc.
http://www.jsiinc.com

 

[Mike Kolitz]

Larc,

I don't believe it really matters. There's no harm done either way: Since
SP2 is cumulative, it'll fix everything that SP1 fixed, so you can apply it
to XP Gold if you want to. Otherwise, slipstreaming into an SP1 flat is
fine as well.

 

[Larc]

| I don't believe it really matters. There's no harm done either way: Since
| SP2 is cumulative, it'll fix everything that SP1 fixed, so you can apply it
| to XP Gold if you want to. Otherwise, slipstreaming into an SP1 flat is
| fine as well.

That's what I thought. Thanks to everybody who replied. It's great when
somebody can get answers here faster than telephoning Mircosoft!

Larc



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[Alex Nichol]

When I slipstream SP2 into XP, should I integrate it into the original XP setup
or the setup with SP1 already slipstreamed in? Or does it matter?

My best guess is that it would be cleaner to integrate SP2 into the original
setup files — especially since all needed parts of SP1 are supposed to be
present in SP2.

Either will do. There is one small point. SP1 (not SP1a) includes the
MS Java machine, so if you slipstream onto a CD that has that you should
retain it. If you do it to an original CD it will not be in either of
the two sources, so you will not have it, and will need a separate means
of installing it should you want it

 

[Pavel]

I have slipstreamed the SP2 on to the original pre-SP1 XP but I do not see
how you install the MS Java. I do need it for one of my applications. I have
also downloaded the Java from Sun Microsystems but the Java seems to be
100mb with the latest version and 0.75 mb with an earlier version (I do not
understand why there is this huge difference) installed and my application
does not behave the way it did under the MS Java. Just want to go back to
the MS version.

 

[Larc]

| >When I slipstream SP2 into XP, should I integrate it into the original XP setup
| >or the setup with SP1 already slipstreamed in? Or does it matter?
| >
| >My best guess is that it would be cleaner to integrate SP2 into the original
| >setup files — especially since all needed parts of SP1 are supposed to be
| >present in SP2.
|
| Either will do. There is one small point. SP1 (not SP1a) includes the
| MS Java machine, so if you slipstream onto a CD that has that you should
| retain it. If you do it to an original CD it will not be in either of
| the two sources, so you will not have it, and will need a separate means
| of installing it should you want it

Excellent point, Alex. Thanks!

Larc



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[Barry Watzman]

There are several possibilities regarding MS Java and SP2.

You could try taking WinXP (original), then slipstreaming SP1 into it,
burn a CD, then slipstream SP2. Note, the difference between SP1 and
SP1a is that SP1 has Java, SP1a does not, and a slipstreamed SP1 CD will
have MS Java. But I'm not sure if the slipstreaming of SP2 would remove
MS Java or not, it might.

The other alternative is to install Java separately after XP and SP2 are
installed (since it's possible that ANY installation of SP2,
slipstreamed or not, will remove MS Java if it's installed at the time
of SP2's installation).

Note that the build of MS Java that was in SP1 was not the latest build,
in any case. There is definitely a build 3810 floating around, and it's
definitely later than the build in SP1. It may or may not be the "last"
build that was released, but it's definitely later than what's in SP1.

 

[Barry Watzman]

Ok, but this raises a further question: If SP2 is slipstreamed into a
disc which had SP1 (and therefore MS Java), will the slipstreaming of
SP2 remove MS Java, or will it still be present.

I'm also a bit unclear on the implications and consequences of
installing Sun Java onto a machine that has MS Java -- can they both
coexist on the same machine at the same time? Related to this, what if
Netscape 7.1 is installed (which is bundled with Sun Java)?

 

[Alex Nichol]

I have slipstreamed the SP2 on to the original pre-SP1 XP but I do not see
how you install the MS Java. I do need it for one of my applications.

You have to get it from a third party source now. Under the ruling in
the case brought by Sun prohibits MS from making 'their' engine
available as a download - so it is left out of the revised SP1a

You can still get a 3805 or 3809 build from some sites that are *not*
MSoft sites - and MSoft is not going to object.
eg 3805 from Http://www.bigblackglasses.com/staff/downloads/msjavx86.exe

Once you have such an older version you can get the 816093 'critical
security update' which is effectively a complete build, 3810

 

[Alex Nichol]

Ok, but this raises a further question: If SP2 is slipstreamed into a
disc which had SP1 (and therefore MS Java), will the slipstreaming of
SP2 remove MS Java, or will it still be present.

No it won't. Slipstreaming is a merge-in of the files found in the
service pack, it does not affect any that were already there

 

[Barry Watzman]

Understood, but newer files replace older files if they have the same
name. In the process, a file containing MS Java could be replaced by a
file of the same name without it.

 

[Alex Nichol]

Understood, but newer files replace older files if they have the same
name. In the process, a file containing MS Java could be replaced by a
file of the same name without it.

The upgrade contains hundreds of files, each a single item in the
system. It is not replacing any sort of 'container'. Those for Java
are individual ones that are just not there in SP2 (or in any
distribution other than SP1)
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