Slow webpages

[Chuck]

we are having problems with webpages created in FP2002
loading extremely slow or not at all. We were able
resolved this by saving pages as "Filtered Web Pages" in
Word 2002. However, this option does not appear to exist
in FP. Any ideas?

Thanks

 

[Kevin Spencer]

You should have come here first!

Slow web pages are not caused by FrontPage; they are caused by bad design.
Typically, images are too large, or there are too many of them in a page.
The download time of a page is determined by (among other things you CAN'T
control) the total size in bytes of the content in the page. Text is fairly
small, regardless of how big it looks in HTML view (there are a few
exceptions), but images are binary files with a lot of data in them. Also,
Java applets and other binary objects (ActiveX Controls, etc) add to the
download time.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
..Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Big things are made up
of lots of little things.

 

[Crash Gordon]

Kevin, what's a Filtered Web Page? I've never seen that.

Robo


| You should have come here first!
|
| Slow web pages are not caused by FrontPage; they are caused by bad design.
| Typically, images are too large, or there are too many of them in a page.
| The download time of a page is determined by (among other things you CAN'T
| control) the total size in bytes of the content in the page. Text is fairly
| small, regardless of how big it looks in HTML view (there are a few
| exceptions), but images are binary files with a lot of data in them. Also,
| Java applets and other binary objects (ActiveX Controls, etc) add to the
| download time.
|
| --
| HTH,
| Kevin Spencer
| .Net Developer
| Microsoft MVP
| Big things are made up
| of lots of little things.
|
| | > we are having problems with webpages created in FP2002
| > loading extremely slow or not at all. We were able
| > resolved this by saving pages as "Filtered Web Pages" in
| > Word 2002. However, this option does not appear to exist
| > in FP. Any ideas?
| >
| > Thanks
|
|

 

[Guest]

If you use Word 2002 you will see an option on the FILE menu to save as a filtered webpage. I assume this cuts out a lot of the code and maybe does something with the graphics. I work for a school. For years our staff has used Office 97, mostly Word97 to create webpages. We mostly create simple webpages, some do have a lot of graphics. Our problems started after using OfficeXP. After editing or creating new webpages with Word and FrontPage 2002, the pages take for ever to load or they do not load at all. We were able to solve this for our Word 2002 users by having them save every page as a filtered web page. There is not an option to save as a filtered web page in FP2002. Right now, we are at a loss to find an answer and the problem is only getting worse as more people use FP. Also, we do not use a Microsoft web server

Any thoughts?

 

[Crash Gordon]

No sorry, I was just curious...I'm still using WordStar and Visicalc.

What happens when you Save As HTML in Word?



| If you use Word 2002 you will see an option on the FILE menu to save as a filtered webpage. I assume this cuts out a lot of the code and maybe does something with the graphics. I work for a school. For years our staff has used Office 97, mostly Word97 to create webpages. We mostly create simple webpages, some do have a lot of graphics. Our problems started after using OfficeXP. After editing or creating new webpages with Word and FrontPage 2002, the pages take for ever to load or they do not load at all. We were able to solve this for our Word 2002 users by having them save every page as a filtered web page. There is not an option to save as a filtered web page in FP2002. Right now, we are at a loss to find an answer and the problem is only getting worse as more people use FP. Also, we do not use a Microsoft web server.
|
| Any thoughts?

 

[Rick Budde]

Are some of your web pages created from scratch using
Front Page 2002? I mean NO use of Microsoft Word. Do
these pages load slowly? Microsoft Word adds a bunch of
HTML code to pages it creates. If the Front Page created
pages perform well after doing the things mentioned
below, then you should accelerate your use of Front Page
with the objective of eliminating the use of Word
entirely.

Even though the instructions say you can create web pages
in Word, as a good web page program, Word is a good word
processor. By the way Front Page is not very good as a
word processor. You get my point. Use the right tool for
the job.

As others have said, graphics files are the usual culprit
for slow loading web pages. As a rule of thumb, you might
want to stipulate that the total file size of graphics on
a single web page not exceed some number, eg 60Kb.

Now you ask how do my users make the file sizes smaller?
If you are concerned about image quality, you would have
to use a graphics progam such as Photoshop Elements or
such. As your budget is probably severly reestricted, you
may have to use Front Page's photo resize feature and
take the hit on image quality. This could also be used as
a lesson ... life is a series of tradeoffs!

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

For a cleaner way to get your Word docs into your FP site w/o all the MS Office round tripping and custom formatting baggage see:
http://sbrenjoy.bizland.com/frontpage/word.htm

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| If we create the exact same page in Word2002 and save as HTML we have the same problem. However, if we choose to save as a "web
page, filtered" instead of just a web page, then the problem goes away in Word. I have had zero luck looking for info on filtered
webpages using the MS KB.
|
| Thanks
|
| ----- Crash Gordon wrote: -----
|
| No sorry, I was just curious...I'm still using WordStar and Visicalc.
|
| What happens when you Save As HTML in Word?
|
|
|
| | If you use Word 2002 you will see an option on the FILE menu to save as a filtered webpage. I assume this cuts out a lot of
the code and maybe does something with the graphics. I work for a school. For years our staff has used Office 97, mostly Word97 to
create webpages. We mostly create simple webpages, some do have a lot of graphics. Our problems started after using OfficeXP. After
editing or creating new webpages with Word and FrontPage 2002, the pages take for ever to load or they do not load at all. We were
able to solve this for our Word 2002 users by having them save every page as a filtered web page. There is not an option to save as
a filtered web page in FP2002. Right now, we are at a loss to find an answer and the problem is only getting worse as more people
use FP. Also, we do not use a Microsoft web server.
| |
| | Any thoughts?
|

 

[etcnz]

Why are you using Word in the first place to build your pages? That's almost
as bad as using Publisher. Take those Word docs through Notepad to strip
away all the formatting and then use CSS to format them properly!! Font tags
are deprecated now.
ETC

If we create the exact same page in Word2002 and save as HTML we have the

same problem. However, if we choose to save as a "web page, filtered"
instead of just a web page, then the problem goes away in Word. I have had
zero luck looking for info on filtered webpages using the MS KB.

Thanks

----- Crash Gordon wrote: -----

No sorry, I was just curious...I'm still using WordStar and Visicalc.

What happens when you Save As HTML in Word?



| If you use Word 2002 you will see an option on the FILE menu to

save as a filtered webpage. I assume this cuts out a lot of the code and
maybe does something with the graphics. I work for a school. For years our
staff has used Office 97, mostly Word97 to create webpages. We mostly create
simple webpages, some do have a lot of graphics. Our problems started after
using OfficeXP. After editing or creating new webpages with Word and
FrontPage 2002, the pages take for ever to load or they do not load at all.
We were able to solve this for our Word 2002 users by having them save every
page as a filtered web page. There is not an option to save as a filtered
web page in FP2002. Right now, we are at a loss to find an answer and the
problem is only getting worse as more people use FP. Also, we do not use a
Microsoft web server.

 

[Guest]

Yes, some of our pages are created from scratch using FP2002 and they are slow to load and when scrolling through the pages it is not smooth. Here is a link to a FP page.

http://www.paris.k12.tn.us/~cate/family_reading_night.htm

Now, here is a page created with Word 2002 and saved as a filtered web page. It loads quicker and the scrolling is smooth.

http://www.paris.k12.tn.us/~hawkins/ppatch.htm

Remember, we are not webpage gurus. Try not to chuckle with the page layouts, amount of graphics,etc. If it matters, we have noticed that if you mouse over a graphic in a page created with FP you do not get the popup bubble to save or print the graphic. In the filtered pages created in Word you can save, print, etc by mousing over the graphics. I do not know what the differences are that cause this.

Thanks

----- Rick Budde wrote: -----

Are some of your web pages created from scratch using
Front Page 2002? I mean NO use of Microsoft Word. Do
these pages load slowly? Microsoft Word adds a bunch of
HTML code to pages it creates. If the Front Page created
pages perform well after doing the things mentioned
below, then you should accelerate your use of Front Page
with the objective of eliminating the use of Word
entirely.

Even though the instructions say you can create web pages
in Word, as a good web page program, Word is a good word
processor. By the way Front Page is not very good as a
word processor. You get my point. Use the right tool for
the job.

As others have said, graphics files are the usual culprit
for slow loading web pages. As a rule of thumb, you might
want to stipulate that the total file size of graphics on
a single web page not exceed some number, eg 60Kb.

Now you ask how do my users make the file sizes smaller?
If you are concerned about image quality, you would have
to use a graphics progam such as Photoshop Elements or
such. As your budget is probably severly reestricted, you
may have to use Front Page's photo resize feature and
take the hit on image quality. This could also be used as
a lesson ... life is a series of tradeoffs!

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

Do you know what FP method is being used to insert the images on the page in FP, as the Word
document show the inserted images in a manner that I normal see in FP.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================

Yes, some of our pages are created from scratch using FP2002 and they are slow to load and when

scrolling through the pages it is not smooth. Here is a link to a FP page.

http://www.paris.k12.tn.us/~cate/family_reading_night.htm

Now, here is a page created with Word 2002 and saved as a filtered web page. It loads quicker and the scrolling is smooth.

http://www.paris.k12.tn.us/~hawkins/ppatch.htm

Remember, we are not webpage gurus. Try not to chuckle with the page layouts, amount of

graphics,etc. If it matters, we have noticed that if you mouse over a graphic in a page created with
FP you do not get the popup bubble to save or print the graphic. In the filtered pages created in
Word you can save, print, etc by mousing over the graphics. I do not know what the differences are
that cause this.

 

[Guest]

They will inset images using the Insert menu, pictures then choose clipart or from file. Sometimes they will copy and paste from another document, webpage,etc. All of these will produce the same results. Also, if they save a standard html file in Word 2k2 without choosing the filtered option, then the mouse over popups do not show up on the graphics and the pages are slow.

Thanks

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

I have need seen that amount of code for inserting a image in any version of FP (98 - 2003) when
using the insert menu or dragging the image onto the page.

Images should always be saved from other applications to a file (gif or jpg), then import into the
web, then inserted on the page.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================

They will inset images using the Insert menu, pictures then choose clipart or from file.

Sometimes they will copy and paste from another document, webpage,etc. All of these will produce the
same results. Also, if they save a standard html file in Word 2k2 without choosing the filtered
option, then the mouse over popups do not show up on the graphics and the pages are slow.

 

[Guest]

I understand and agree with saving images from other apps to a file (gif or jpg). Wouldn't you then just go to the Insert menu, choose Picture and then choose From File? I do not understand the part about importing into the web before inserting on the page. I guess you can tell we are not Power Users.

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

After the images have been save to the "desktop" they need to be imported into the current open FP
web prior to using them in the web.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================

I understand and agree with saving images from other apps to a file (gif or jpg). Wouldn't you

then just go to the Insert menu, choose Picture and then choose From File? I do not understand the
part about importing into the web before inserting on the page. I guess you can tell we are not
Power Users.