SLOW NETWORK w/WIN2K3 and clients

[Walt Smith]

After recent fresh WIN2K3/EXCH2003 install clients have very slow access to
server, in spercific:

1) Login takes along time (2 min)-- especially when it displays "Applying
your personal settings"
2) Slow slugginess access in general after rmigrating from WIN2K setup.
Server is 3200/SCSIsystem with 1GB DR400

Using DSL router/DHCP. Have not installed WINS.

Anyone has any ideas what is missing causing these delays????

Thank you!

 

[Alain Quesnel]

How many clients do you have? What are you using as a DHCP server, the
router or the PDC?

BTW, you shouldn't cross-post. I believe
microsoft.public.windows.server.networking is the proper NG for your
question.

--


Alain Quesnel
(e-mail address removed)

www.logiquel.com

 

[Marina Roos]

How many nics in the server? Does an ipconfig/all from the clients show that
everything is pointing to your server-IP?
What OS on the clients?

Marina

 

[Walt Smith]

30, WIN XP, DHCP from DSL router

It is even slow when ONE XP client login's in...

sorry abot cross post -- didn't know it was not advisable!

 

[Marina Roos]

Does the ipconfig/all from those clients show that everything is pointing to
your server-IP?

Marina

 

[Marina Roos]

Let your server do the DHCP and setup DNS.

Marina

 

[Marina Roos]

Point is, that XP works with DNS. If it can't find the right DNS-server, it
will take a long time to log in.

Marina

 

[Walt Smith]

Marina,

You mean :

1) Server DNS wihich forward to ISP DNS
2) ISP DNS --- bypassing Server DNS

Also, Outlook server by Server Exc2003 is very slow!

I will install DHCP on server, disable router DHCP an dinstall DNS on server
with the domain!

Any other ideas?

 

[Walt Smith]

Marina,

Changed the XP DNS to point to the Server. That fixed the login 100%.
..Maybe outlook speed is a little better, but still slow. ALso, if I enter
NSLOOKUP on XP, it says it can't find the DNS server (server). Still IE is
working fine. Is there anything special I have to setup on the DNS server
which may be critical.

It looks setup has changed from 2000 to 2003. I know Exch 2003 is more DNS
oriented, but.... and not setup correctly in my instance.

Look forwad to your thoughts!

 

[Walt Smith]

Marina,

Improvements --- Imprvements!!!

I did't have 015 specified --- assume XXX.COM, not XXX --correct?

Can't find in W2K3 where to change nic binding order (know how to in NT)?

Still sluhhish wirh browsing on XP client, but much better with your guys
recommendations!!

Hope you can help me as well why some users have problems with FILE IN USE
in where the user him self locks out himself. Happening win NT and WIN2K
serving graphics file (Photoshop, etc.)

Thank you sooooo much!

 

[Marina Roos]

The 015 is your local domainname, so the name you gave it when you installed
AD. I always call those something like company.local.

In W2K you change the bindingorder in Network Connections, Advanced,
advanced.

About the filelocking issue with XP, have a look at the knowledgebase
articles 810907, 811492, 812937.

Marina

 

[Walt Smith]

All working great with WIN2K3 -- still accessing via OUTLOOK to the exchange
server 2003 with WIN2K3 is still sluggish!!!

Ideas??

ps: Marina -- you know your stuff!!

 

[Marina Roos]

Hi Walt,

Let's see, what haven't we checked yet?
Does the ipconfig/all from the clients show that all, really all, is
pointing to your server-IP?
How many servers did you have?
Did you need to change the bindingorder on the server? Do you have RRAS
installed? In the last case, I don't know if this will work for W2K3 as
well, but for W2K you needed to do the regedits in 292822.
Do all the clients have XP as OS?
Have you tried a reboot from the server(s), just in case?

Marina
Thanks you, but I even haven't seen W2K3 yet.....

 

[Bill Grant]

Hi Marina,

Lots of good things in 2003 when you get it. But you still need the RRAS
regedit to prevent the virtual interface using Netbios over TCP/IP and
upsetting browsing if remote access is running on a browse master.

Hi Walt,

Let's see, what haven't we checked yet?
Does the ipconfig/all from the clients show that all, really all, is
pointing to your server-IP?
How many servers did you have?
Did you need to change the bindingorder on the server? Do you have RRAS
installed? In the last case, I don't know if this will work for W2K3 as
well, but for W2K you needed to do the regedits in 292822.
Do all the clients have XP as OS?
Have you tried a reboot from the server(s), just in case?

Marina
Thanks you, but I even haven't seen W2K3 yet.....

All working great with WIN2K3 -- still accessing via OUTLOOK to the exchange
server 2003 with WIN2K3 is still sluggish!!!

Ideas??

ps: Marina -- you know your stuff!!

IN
USE

if

I

enter
NSLOOKUP on XP, it says it can't find the DNS server (server). Still
IE
is
working fine. Is there anything special I have to setup on the DNS
server
which may be critical.

It looks setup has changed from 2000 to 2003. I know Exch 2003

is
more

 

[Marina Roos]

Hi Bill,

That's funny, isn't it? You should think that MS would have solved that in
2003.

Marina

Hi Marina,

Lots of good things in 2003 when you get it. But you still need the RRAS
regedit to prevent the virtual interface using Netbios over TCP/IP and
upsetting browsing if remote access is running on a browse master.

Hi Walt,

Let's see, what haven't we checked yet?
Does the ipconfig/all from the clients show that all, really all, is
pointing to your server-IP?
How many servers did you have?
Did you need to change the bindingorder on the server? Do you have RRAS
installed? In the last case, I don't know if this will work for W2K3 as
well, but for W2K you needed to do the regedits in 292822.
Do all the clients have XP as OS?
Have you tried a reboot from the server(s), just in case?

Marina
Thanks you, but I even haven't seen W2K3 yet.....

FILE

 

[Walt Smith]

Marina,

All IP's are pointing to the server except the Gateway, which is pointing to
the DSL/router.

I could find the binding order option on advanced -> advaned. Maybe it is
because I have only one NIC connection.

I did try to use RRAS for VPN (from a single NIC connection) but couldn't
make it work (WIN2K was was easy and worked, confused if I had to specify it
was a router or not...). RRAS is currently disabled. Need to look at that
issue soon (after I fix VERY SLOW OUTLOOK access on WIN2K and XP clients, it
runs fats on the server). When I tried all hell broke loose , couldn;t even
see the clinets IP addresses. -- which is very similar to the symptons
described in 292822.Maybe 292822 is the fix even when I have RRAS disabled
for now!!

Looked at 292822, and that looks very extensive.... anyone confirms it is
required if I use RRAS?

Hi Bill,

That's funny, isn't it? You should think that MS would have solved that in
2003.

Marina

Hi Marina,

Lots of good things in 2003 when you get it. But you still need the RRAS
regedit to prevent the virtual interface using Netbios over TCP/IP and
upsetting browsing if remote access is running on a browse master.

to

in

NT)?

Still sluhhish wirh browsing on XP client, but much better with your
guys
recommendations!!

Hope you can help me as well why some users have problems with

FILE

IN
USE
in where the user him self locks out himself. Happening win NT and
WIN2K
serving graphics file (Photoshop, etc.)

Thank you sooooo much!


On your servernic(s) make sure the DNS is pointing to your
server-IP.
In the DHCP-options make sure you've got options 003, 006 and 015.
In the DNS-server (on your server) enable the tab Forwarders and
there
you
put in the ISP-DNS-numbers.
How many nics in the server?
Make sure the internal nic is on top in the bindingorder.

Marina

"Walt Smith" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
Marina,

Changed the XP DNS to point to the Server. That fixed the login
100%.
.Maybe outlook speed is a little better, but still slow.

ALso,
if

I
enter
NSLOOKUP on XP, it says it can't find the DNS server (server).
Still
IE
is
working fine. Is there anything special I have to setup on

the
DNS

server
which may be critical.

It looks setup has changed from 2000 to 2003. I know Exch

2003
is

 

[Marina Roos]

Won't hurt to apply those regedits.
According to Bill Grant it is still necessary (see below).

Marina

Marina,

All IP's are pointing to the server except the Gateway, which is pointing to
the DSL/router.

I could find the binding order option on advanced -> advaned. Maybe it is
because I have only one NIC connection.

I did try to use RRAS for VPN (from a single NIC connection) but couldn't
make it work (WIN2K was was easy and worked, confused if I had to specify it
was a router or not...). RRAS is currently disabled. Need to look at that
issue soon (after I fix VERY SLOW OUTLOOK access on WIN2K and XP clients, it
runs fats on the server). When I tried all hell broke loose , couldn;t even
see the clinets IP addresses. -- which is very similar to the symptons
described in 292822.Maybe 292822 is the fix even when I have RRAS disabled
for now!!

Looked at 292822, and that looks very extensive.... anyone confirms it is
required if I use RRAS?