Slipstreaming Windows XP Questions In Prep For Two LAN'd Boxes?

[Susan]

I've found several Slipstreaming topics in this newsgroup that don't quite
address my preliminary questions.

Slipstreaming seems to be the only logical answer since Microsoft insists
everyone use SP2 and I have on two occasions now forgot to remove it first
before attempting a repair--what a mess.

My Dell Inspiron 8200 comes with XP Professional OEM install CD that
includes SP1.
My homebrew Desktop comes with XP Home OEM install CD that does _not_
include SP1 or SP2.

I heard somewhere that these CDs license you to use either on up to two
machines using the same Product Key on both machines? Is this correct?

The I8200 didn't seem to mind this so I am currently using XP Home on both
my machines with the same Product Key from the Home install CD including
LANing them.

I have never found any reason to need Professional--all the same should I
be using it instead and creating a slipstream CD with Professional and SP2
for both my machines using the Professional Product Key? Can I create one
slipstream CD to use for both machines? If I go to all this trouble and
can tailor the slipstream install CD to the same common needs for both
machines it seems like using the more product complete Professional edition
might make more "sense"?

Can the completed and burned slipstream CD include the Desktop and Windows
already configured by me the way I want it so I don't have to go through
that basic exercise each time I do a clean install?

Considering my needs might there be one particular source for instructions
on how to create my slipstream CD that you can point me to?

Thank you.

Susan

 

[Susan]

I've found several Slipstreaming topics in this newsgroup that don't quite
address my preliminary questions.

Another question about slipstreaming and my current circumstances...

Because of a motherboard failure in my Desktop machine I am looking at a
clean install of XP on it do to complications. My laptop is currently
working okay and configured with XP Home the way I like it. _If_ it is
preferable to create the slipstream CD using Home without SP1 instead of
using Professional with SP1, could I create and burn this slipstream CD
with the laptop and then use it to do a clean install on the Desktop?
Since I am getting the new motherboard today I don't know if I can wait
long enough to figure out this slipstreaming business--unless there is a
clear "roadmap" on how to create the CD now.

Thanks.

Susan

 

[kurttrail]

I've found several Slipstreaming topics in this newsgroup that don't
quite address my preliminary questions.

Slipstreaming seems to be the only logical answer since Microsoft
insists everyone use SP2 and I have on two occasions now forgot to
remove it first before attempting a repair--what a mess.

My Dell Inspiron 8200 comes with XP Professional OEM install CD that
includes SP1.
My homebrew Desktop comes with XP Home OEM install CD that does _not_
include SP1 or SP2.

I heard somewhere that these CDs license you to use either on up to
two machines using the same Product Key on both machines? Is this
correct?

The I8200 didn't seem to mind this so I am currently using XP Home on
both my machines with the same Product Key from the Home install CD
including LANing them.

I have never found any reason to need Professional--all the same
should I be using it instead and creating a slipstream CD with
Professional and SP2 for both my machines using the Professional
Product Key? Can I create one slipstream CD to use for both
machines? If I go to all this trouble and can tailor the slipstream
install CD to the same common needs for both machines it seems like
using the more product complete Professional edition might make more
"sense"?

Can the completed and burned slipstream CD include the Desktop and
Windows already configured by me the way I want it so I don't have to
go through that basic exercise each time I do a clean install?

Considering my needs might there be one particular source for
instructions on how to create my slipstream CD that you can point me
to?

Thank you.

Susan

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[Shenan Stanley]

Comments inline:

I've found several Slipstreaming topics in this newsgroup that don't
quite address my preliminary questions.

Slipstreaming seems to be the only logical answer since Microsoft
insists everyone use SP2 and I have on two occasions now forgot to
remove it first before attempting a repair--what a mess.

My Dell Inspiron 8200 comes with XP Professional OEM install CD that
includes SP1.
My homebrew Desktop comes with XP Home OEM install CD that does _not_
include SP1 or SP2.

I heard somewhere that these CDs license you to use either on up to
two machines using the same Product Key on both machines? Is this
correct?

Windows XP EULA allows you to install and use Windows XP on ONE machine ONCE
per license you own. If it is an OEM license - by the agreement (EULA) -
you not only can only install that copy of the license on one PC - but now
that it has been installed, it is legally bound to the first machine it was
installed on - meaning it is NOT transferrable to another machine - no
matter what happens to the Dell it was initially installed upon.

So to answer the question you asked as I read it.. No. Your statement is
incorrect. One license is one install - not two. Microsoft Office does
have this type of license in some cases. Windows XP does not.

The I8200 didn't seem to mind this so I am currently using XP Home on
both my machines with the same Product Key from the Home install CD
including LANing them.

From a technical standpoint this functions because of the way they were
activated (or the time difference when they were activated.)

I have never found any reason to need Professional--all the same
should I be using it instead and creating a slipstream CD with
Professional and SP2 for both my machines using the Professional
Product Key? Can I create one slipstream CD to use for both
machines? If I go to all this trouble and can tailor the slipstream
install CD to the same common needs for both machines it seems like
using the more product complete Professional edition might make more
"sense"?

Technically, you are already operating outside the scope of the agreement
you made when installing the OS. You only own one license of XP Home
edition and that, according to your own admission, is an OEM copy and
therefore not only should it only be installed on one PC, but it should only
EVER be installed on the first machine you installed it on and where ever
that PC goes (even if it dies, the license dies with it.)

So, no - you cannot (according to your agreement) create one CD for both
systems. You own one license for Home and one license for professional.
You can create two slipstreamed/integrated CDs (one professional and one
home) and then you have two viable CDs for two different installs. You can
create the $oem$ directories and those could likely be the same, and you
could create winnt.sif files, and other than cd keys, those could likely be
the same as well - for a fully unattended installation option for both.

Can the completed and burned slipstream CD include the Desktop and
Windows already configured by me the way I want it so I don't have to
go through that basic exercise each time I do a clean install?
http://unattended.msfn.org/

Considering my needs might there be one particular source for
instructions on how to create my slipstream CD that you can point me
to?

See above...

Thank you.

You're welcome.

 

[Shenan Stanley]

Another question about slipstreaming and my current circumstances...

Because of a motherboard failure in my Desktop machine I am looking
at a clean install of XP on it do to complications. My laptop is
currently working okay and configured with XP Home the way I like it.
_If_ it is preferable to create the slipstream CD using Home without
SP1 instead of using Professional with SP1, could I create and burn
this slipstream CD with the laptop and then use it to do a clean
install on the Desktop? Since I am getting the new motherboard today
I don't know if I can wait long enough to figure out this
slipstreaming business--unless there is a clear "roadmap" on how to
create the CD now.

Again - from the strict standpoint of the EULA you agree to every time you
use the PC and when you installed it - you will be making two
slipstream/integrated CDs, wiping one of the machines clean (obviously the
Dell, as it is the one you stated came with Windows XP Professional OEM) and
installig Windows XP Professional on it.

In more general terms, with a new motherboard, it is usually only necessary
to perform a repair install:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315341

And for you, I recommend using the application called "AutoStreamer" to
create your new slipstreamed/integrated CDs..
http://www.autopatcher.com/autostreamer.html

To make a really customized CD, I recommend the following reference:
http://unattended.msfn.org/

 

[kurttrail]

I've found several Slipstreaming topics in this newsgroup that don't
quite address my preliminary questions.

Slipstreaming seems to be the only logical answer since Microsoft
insists everyone use SP2 and I have on two occasions now forgot to
remove it first before attempting a repair--what a mess.

My Dell Inspiron 8200 comes with XP Professional OEM install CD that
includes SP1.
My homebrew Desktop comes with XP Home OEM install CD that does _not_
include SP1 or SP2.

I heard somewhere that these CDs license you to use either on up to
two machines using the same Product Key on both machines? Is this
correct?

Realistically, it can be done, but MS doesn't want you to do it.

The I8200 didn't seem to mind this so I am currently using XP Home on
both my machines with the same Product Key from the Home install CD
including LANing them.

I have never found any reason to need Professional--all the same
should I be using it instead and creating a slipstream CD with
Professional and SP2 for both my machines using the Professional
Product Key? Can I create one slipstream CD to use for both
machines? If I go to all this trouble and can tailor the slipstream
install CD to the same common needs for both machines it seems like
using the more product complete Professional edition might make more
"sense"?

Well MS forces you to phone up for activation for PK's from Major OEMs.
So you'd have to phone them twice to activate, and I got a feeling they
are gonna question the hell out of you about it.

It might be easier to activate 2 machines with the generic OEM Home CD.

Can the completed and burned slipstream CD include the Desktop and
Windows already configured by me the way I want it so I don't have to
go through that basic exercise each time I do a clean install?

Considering my needs might there be one particular source for
instructions on how to create my slipstream CD that you can point me
to?

Google "slipstream XP SP2"

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[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Susan;
No, you can not install either Windows XP license on two computers.
Some versions of Microsoft Office allow installations on multiple computers.
But consumer Microsoft operating systems have always been limited to one
computer per license.
It does not matter if the computer are used for home or business, LAN or
not.
Read your specific EULA for details:
Start/Run
Type "winver" ENTER
Click "End user license..."

Slipstream both your Windows XP Home and Pro:
http://www.msfn.org/articles.php?action=show&showarticle=49

Configure each computer the way you want, then use a program such as Norton
Ghost to make an image of your drives.
Then if necessary, you can restore your computer settings and all.

 

[Susan]

Thank you everyone so far. I have to do a clean install on the Desktop as
I failed to remove SP2 before attempting to repair it. M$ spent hours with
me yesterday getting it back to the last restore points and that ultimately
failed to finish up cleanly because of System Works 2005--according to the
M$ phone tech.

With the new motherboard I will do a clean install of Home on the Desktop.
Then I will at my leisure finish up this slipstreaming business and create
two separate ones--one for the Desktop Home license and ultimately one for
the Laptop Professional license.

I can see this as the best of "both worlds" in any case because the laptop
does all the odds and ends and Internet access and email and word
processing and printing and picture processing and etc. etc. while the
Desktop has the high end graphic card in it and is limited to only
non-online gaming and very limited Internet access. I quite often run the
Desktop with its LAN disabled and a clean boot.

Okay, I'm off to get the motherboard. Thanks again.

 

[kurttrail]

Susan;
No, you can not install either Windows XP license on two computers.

Yes, she "CAN." MS just doesn't want her to do it.

Some versions of Microsoft Office allow installations on multiple
computers. But consumer Microsoft operating systems have always been
limited to one computer per license.
It does not matter if the computer are used for home or business, LAN
or not.
Read your specific EULA for details:
Start/Run
Type "winver" ENTER
Click "End user license..."

Slipstream both your Windows XP Home and Pro:
http://www.msfn.org/articles.php?action=show&showarticle=49

Configure each computer the way you want, then use a program such as
Norton Ghost to make an image of your drives.
Then if necessary, you can restore your computer settings and all.

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[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

And neither does the EULA already agreed.
I do not consider violating a agreement as an option.
Not everyone thinks so little of their word that violating an agreement is
OK.

 

[kurttrail]

And neither does the EULA already agreed.
I do not consider violating a agreement as an option.
Not everyone thinks so little of their word that violating an
agreement is OK.

You'd rather misrepresent the whole truth, by presenting a half-truth.



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[John]

I've found several Slipstreaming topics in this newsgroup that don't quite
address my preliminary questions.

Slipstreaming seems to be the only logical answer since Microsoft insists
everyone use SP2 and I have on two occasions now forgot to remove it first
before attempting a repair--what a mess.

My Dell Inspiron 8200 comes with XP Professional OEM install CD that
includes SP1.
My homebrew Desktop comes with XP Home OEM install CD that does _not_
include SP1 or SP2.

I heard somewhere that these CDs license you to use either on up to two
machines using the same Product Key on both machines? Is this correct?

The I8200 didn't seem to mind this so I am currently using XP Home on both
my machines with the same Product Key from the Home install CD including
LANing them.

I have never found any reason to need Professional--all the same should I
be using it instead and creating a slipstream CD with Professional and SP2
for both my machines using the Professional Product Key? Can I create one
slipstream CD to use for both machines? If I go to all this trouble and
can tailor the slipstream install CD to the same common needs for both
machines it seems like using the more product complete Professional edition
might make more "sense"?

Can the completed and burned slipstream CD include the Desktop and Windows
already configured by me the way I want it so I don't have to go through
that basic exercise each time I do a clean install?

Considering my needs might there be one particular source for instructions
on how to create my slipstream CD that you can point me to?

Thank you.

Susan

The following sites are very helpful for slipstreaming ...

http://www.theeldergeek.com/slipstreamed_xpsp2_cd.htm

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sp2_slipstream.asp

http://www.msfn.org/articles.php?action=show&showarticle=49