Slipstreaming Problem

G

Grandad

Hi
In the past I have sucessfully slipstreamed windows xp home from the
original cd to SP2 and it all works OK. However I have just slipstreamed
from the original cd to SP3 and when I use it to reinstall XP it starts up
as you expect, loads the usuall instaltion files and goes to reboot.
Leaving the cd in the drive it just goes around and does it all again. Take
the cd out at this stage it asks for the cd and continues as you would
expect. Whats going on? Another question is do you have to slipstream in
stages? For example from the original cd to SP2 to SP3 or original cd
straight to SP3. I have read a lot on net but its not clear. I do hope
someone can help.
Regards
Grandad
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Grandad said:
In the past I have sucessfully slipstreamed windows xp home from the
original cd to SP2 and it all works OK. However I have just
slipstreamed from the original cd to SP3 and when I use it to
reinstall XP it starts up as you expect, loads the usuall
instaltion files and goes to reboot. Leaving the cd in the drive it
just goes around and does it all again. Take the cd out at this
stage it asks for the cd and continues as you would expect. Whats
going on? Another question is do you have to slipstream in stages?
For example from the original cd to SP2 to SP3 or original cd
straight to SP3. I have read a lot on net but its not clear. I do
hope someone can help.

Don't "Press any key to boot from CD" during the process except the first
time.
 
G

Grandad

Thank you Shenan and Daave your help.

I think I have found the "Boot" problem. The machine was set to boot from
CD then HD so I'm going to try the install again.

I'm pleased to be able to go straight SP3. The system is showing SP3 but is
it reasonable to have in excess of 60 updates to still download? If so can
they also be included in the Slipstream?

Thanks Again
Grandad
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Grandad said:
Thank you Shenan and Daave your help.

I think I have found the "Boot" problem. The machine was set to
boot from CD then HD so I'm going to try the install again.

I'm pleased to be able to go straight SP3. The system is showing
SP3 but is it reasonable to have in excess of 60 updates to still
download? If so can they also be included in the Slipstream?

First - if you aren't doing this in a business environment (even if you
are - it's time to consider not using XP anymore) my suggestion would be to
not worry with all this slipstreaming, etc. Get an imaging utility, install
Windows XP base the way you want it - and updated - make an image and keep
it around for when things go wrong and you need to start over. Combine that
with your regular backup routine and you have what you need to quickly
restore the computer to a working/clean state with only the stuff your
concerned with on the system.

Second - what you discovered should not have to be changed. The system (as
it was set with CD first) should come up and the Windows XP CD should ask
you each time to "Press any key to boot from CD..." and as long as you do
not press a key, you don't boot from the Windows XP CD - no matter what your
BIOS settings are - unless you have removed that somehow - which is not done
by integrating the service pack using the native Microsoft tools.

Last - yes - you can integrate many post-SP3 patches as well as SP3. the
/integrate switch works with MANY updates release by Microsoft for Windows
XP. If you went the third party route to do the integration, nLite can
integrate patches as well.
 
G

Grandad

Thank you Shenan

Do I have to download all the individual updates from Microsoft and how do I
intergrate them?

Again many thanks
Grandad.
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Grandad said:
In the past I have sucessfully slipstreamed windows xp home from the
original cd to SP2 and it all works OK. However I have just
slipstreamed from the original cd to SP3 and when I use it to
reinstall XP it starts up as you expect, loads the usuall
instaltion files and goes to reboot. Leaving the cd in the drive it
just goes around and does it all again. Take the cd out at this
stage it asks for the cd and continues as you would expect. Whats
going on? Another question is do you have to slipstream in stages?
For example from the original cd to SP2 to SP3 or original cd
straight to SP3. I have read a lot on net but its not clear. I do
hope someone can help.

<wondering about the stuff being replied to? so is everyone else.>
<OP replied to themselves and referred to the other replies.>
<no worries - archives are wonderful things.>

<archived entire conversation>
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...p.general/browse_frm/thread/e33f91160462ed3a/
</archived entire conversation>
Thank you Shenan and Daave your help.

I think I have found the "Boot" problem. The machine was set to
boot from CD then HD so I'm going to try the install again.

I'm pleased to be able to go straight SP3. The system is showing
SP3 but is it reasonable to have in excess of 60 updates to still
download? If so can they also be included in the Slipstream?

Shenan said:
First - if you aren't doing this in a business environment (even if
you are - it's time to consider not using XP anymore) my suggestion
would be to not worry with all this slipstreaming, etc. Get an
imaging utility, install Windows XP base the way you want it - and
updated - make an image and keep it around for when things go wrong
and you need to start over. Combine that with your regular backup
routine and you have what you need to quickly restore the computer
to a working/clean state with only the stuff your concerned with on
the system.
Second - what you discovered should not have to be changed. The
system (as it was set with CD first) should come up and the Windows
XP CD should ask you each time to "Press any key to boot from
CD..." and as long as you do not press a key, you don't boot from
the Windows XP CD - no matter what your BIOS settings are - unless
you have removed that somehow - which is not done by integrating
the service pack using the native Microsoft tools.
Last - yes - you can integrate many post-SP3 patches as well as
SP3. the /integrate switch works with MANY updates release by
Microsoft for Windows XP. If you went the third party route to do
the integration, nLite can integrate patches as well.
Thank you Shenan

Do I have to download all the individual updates from Microsoft and
how do I intergrate them?

You do have to download the updates you want to integrate.

How did you integrate SP3? Same procedure for each update. ;-)
The /integrate switch or nLite or various other third party products..

Many people utilize tools like AutoStreamer or nLite to intgrate/slipstream
updates into the installation media. nLite (I believe) has a way/hack that
'integrates' Internet Explorer 7 - but to be honest, _I_ would not do that.

Getting the updates - that is fairly simple.

One way...

You can see the critical (security and other) patches released for a given
month using the following:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms##-***.mspx

At the end of this line you see "ms##-***.mspx" .. If you simply replace ##
with the two-digit year and the *** with the three character month
abbreviation, you will see the list of "critical" and "important" patches
for that month (since it only happens once a month usually, if you check by
the second Tuesday (wait until afternoon) of each month - you should be
fine) - note that future months will not work - although they may have an
"Advance Notification for" in place when the actual time approaches.

Example:

November 2009
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms09-nov.mspx


Another way...

Windows Updates Downloader
http://www.windowsupdatesdownloader.com/


Another way...

Security updates are available on ISO-9660 DVD5 image files from the
Microsoft Download Center
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/913086


The second is truly the easiest for most people. Most of the updates you
can get have an /integrate switch. Pretty much the same way you do the
service packs.

Although many people use the nlite/autostreamer and other similar tools - I
stick with the original.

Copy the installation CD files to a directory on a Windows XP system (I
prefer doing the integration on a working system of the same version,
although it is not usually necessary...) - preferably a short path like
"C:\WinXP". Downloading the full latest service pack and the patches I want
to integrate using one of the methods above and putting them all into a
different (but short as well) path like "C:\XPPatch" - no sub-directories.

Integrating the service pack first - in this case, given what I have, the
command would be:

"C:\XPPatch\WindowsXP-KB936929-SP3-x86-ENU.exe" /integrate:C:\WinXP

and after some time, it would be done.

Then I would integrate the other patches that I could. There would be
*quite a few* updates, so I could either do them one-by-one using this
command with the appropriate substitutions...

"C:\XPPatch\WindowsXP-KB??????-x86-enu.exe" /integrate:C:\WinXP

Or I could create a batch script to run through and do them for me:

<start batch script here - copy below this line>

set sourcedir=C:\WinXP
set patchdir=C:\XPPatch

for %%U in (%patchdir%\WindowsXP-KB??????-x86-enu.exe) DO (
if not exist %svcpackdir%\%%U (
@ECHO Now integrating %%U . . .
@ECHO.
start /wait %%U /integrate:%sourcedir%
)
)

@ECHO Windows XP Updates Integrated into your Installation Media.
@ECHO Burn your new media.
<end batch script here - copy above this line>

And running that would integrate the majority of the available patches and
automatically integrate them - only pausing for me to click OK on each of
the patches "Success" or "Failure" messages. You could make it silent with
a little modification.

The reason it cannot get them all is that some patches do not integrate and
some do not use the same naming scheme (although you could rename them so
they do...)

I then use BBIE (Bart's Boot Image Extractor) to take the 'boot image' off
the original Windows XP CD and save it to a file so I can burn a bootable
Windows XP CD with the integrations I have made. Depending on what CD
burning software or ISO creation software you use - the instructions can
differ a bit here... This part is important when burning to CD: Set Load
segment of sectors (hex) to 0000 and set Number of loaded sectors to 4. Or
at least that is something I always remember.

That's just the way I have done it - even though I have used the other
methods, I find that one the most reliable.
 
T

Twayne

In
Daave said:
Agreed. :)

Furthermore, slipstreaming need not be done in stages. You can go
directly to SP3 if you wish, even from "Gold." See:

http://www.theeldergeek.com/slipstreamed_xpsp3_cd_final.htm

That tutorial was done on SP2 if you noticed. MS has said from day one of
SP3 that 1 or 2 must be there to get a smooth install. He does allude to
workarounds but ... I'm not so sure they'll work.
Using Microsoft's prequisites and methods articles is the easiest way to
get the process straight. Seems like a lot of work to me though, just to
avoid putting 2 CDs into the optical drive. And then you still have all the
updates since SP3 came out, with more coming every couple of weeks.

HTH,

Twayne
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Grandad said:
In the past I have sucessfully slipstreamed windows xp home from the
original cd to SP2 and it all works OK. However I have just
slipstreamed from the original cd to SP3 and when I use it to
reinstall XP it starts up as you expect, loads the usuall
instaltion files and goes to reboot. Leaving the cd in the drive it
just goes around and does it all again. Take the cd out at this
stage it asks for the cd and continues as you would expect. Whats
going on? Another question is do you have to slipstream in stages?
For example from the original cd to SP2 to SP3 or original cd
straight to SP3. I have read a lot on net but its not clear. I do
hope someone can help.

Shenan said:
Don't "Press any key to boot from CD" during the process except the
first time.
Agreed. :)

Furthermore, slipstreaming need not be done in stages. You can go
directly to SP3 if you wish, even from "Gold." See:

http://www.theeldergeek.com/slipstreamed_xpsp3_cd_final.htm
That tutorial was done on SP2 if you noticed. MS has said from day
one of SP3 that 1 or 2 must be there to get a smooth install. He
does allude to workarounds but ... I'm not so sure they'll work.
Using Microsoft's prequisites and methods articles is the easiest
way to get the process straight. Seems like a lot of work to me
though, just to avoid putting 2 CDs into the optical drive. And
then you still have all the updates since SP3 came out, with more
coming every couple of weeks.

SP1/2 is required to install SP3 onto a working/installed Windows XP system.
SP1/2 is *not* required to slipstream/integrate SP3 into the installation
media.

Been there - done that. Windows XP RTM CD (no service packs) to Windows XP
SP3 CD (integrated SP3).
(Also have done SP1 and SP2 CDs to SP3 - no issues.)

And integrating service packs and patches into Windows XP is not that hard,
made even simpler with things like AutoStreamer and nLite - actually taking
less time to integrate and burn the new CD than it would to install and then
install the service packs afterwards just once. Doing it more than once -
then you have definitely saved time and effort.

As I have said elsewhere though - you shouldn't be installing that much as a
home user and if you are running a business and are needing to install this
much, it is time to re-evaluate why and/or how.
 
D

Daave

Twayne said:
In

That tutorial was done on SP2 if you noticed.

Yes, I certainly noticed that. I was referring specifically to this bit:

"That is not to say you can't use a Gold Edition CD as the basis for a
slipstreamed CD. That is certainly possible, and it does install without
problems as far as I can tell, but you will have to enter the product
key during the installation procedure rather than have the option to
defer entering it until after installation is complete."
MS has said from day
one of SP3 that 1 or 2 must be there to get a smooth install. He does
allude to workarounds but ... I'm not so sure they'll work.

It works. Try it yourself if you want to verify this from first-hand
experience.
Using Microsoft's prequisites and methods articles is the easiest
way to get the process straight. Seems like a lot of work to me
though, just to avoid putting 2 CDs into the optical drive. And then
you still have all the updates since SP3 came out, with more coming
every couple of weeks.

It's good for thos who want to be able to perform a Repair Install or
run Recovery Console. But I think a much better strategy is to regularly
image the hard drive.
 

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