Thx to all 4 who replied Wed 17 Jun 2009 ("Malke" 12:04, "Jose" 12:09, "SC Tom" 12:10, "Andrew E." 15:56, all GMT)
1) A particular Thank to "Andrew E." for his advice to try to kill the service through Task Manager. Despite stopping it was denied by "Computer Management" or "MSconfig", it was unexpectedly allowed by Task Manager. This, while it did not suffice to resolve my particular problem (stopping the involved service removed one hurdle, but my task stalled a little further on another one), is useful to know.
2) I INTENTIONALLY omitted to tell the particular service involved: this is MY computer, my PERSONAL computer, chosen by me, bought by me, paid by me, maintained and troubleshooted by me DESPITE the so-called "help" from hardware, software and services vendors and their people (from regular staff to "volunteers" to fans). Sure if a service an user is attempting to stop is critical for the OS to run, then the OS vendor's DUTY is to WARN the user, EXPLICITLY and HONESTLY (which EXCLUDES all Microsoft-like blabla whose only goal is to conceal the true goal and effects), but then the decision isto the owner. Any attempt from the vendor to strip the owner from this ownership is a theft. This of course applies to ANY application or service or component, not only the particular that was involved here - whence my intentional omission (an omission that, while useless in a normal audience, is highly recommended on MS newsgroups, just see around how someone is receivedwhen he says any little thing not 100% inside the beaten paths).
3) I will now tell, just to help impaired readers to understand the situation, what service is involved, but this must not in any way help the political-agended forum scouts to strip people from their fundamental rights. This service is, under those reservations, BDDUS (BitDefender Desktop Update Service), alias LIVESRV; the problem arose with another one even bigger on 10 June right after I applied the "2nd Tuesday" Microsoft Update; I was then "protected" by BitDefender Antivirus 2008, yet after I thoroughly uninstalled it making my system theoretically rid of anything BitDefender, any tryto reinstall any other BD version failed due to BDDUS "Access Denied", seehttp://forum.bitdefender.com/index.php?showtopic=12902&st=140#entry59996"Protection unavailable, Update aborted, Insufficient privileges, BD Update Service unstoppable, Access denied" §5.
I have no HP printer, mine is a Brother MFC-640CW, it was connected through LAN (RJ45), and after 10 June, through USB2.
Of course I am always and permanently logged as an Administrator.
Versailles, Fri 19 Jun 2009 10:59:15 +0200
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Subject: Service could not be stopped, Access Denied
I have a service that is very annoying, and when I try to stop it, I can't (despite I am always and permanently logged as an Administrator):
1) In "Start > Control Panel > Administrative Tools > Computer Management> Services and Applications > Services", when Right-Clicking the involved service, its 5 items "Start", "Stop", "Pause", "Resume", "Restart" are greyed.
2) In "Start > Run > MSconfig > Services", I can clear (uncheck) the involved service, but clicking "Close" returns "Access Denied... log on using an Administrator account..."; at next reboot, the involved service is still cleared in MSconfig, but still running in Computer Management > Services with "Stop" greyed.
Since I am owner and administrator of this *Personal* Computer, I can't understand why some thing in it is "denied" to me. Anyone can help me recover *my property*? TIA,
Versailles, Wed 17 Jun 2009 12:36:00 +0200
I (and I'm just talking about me), don't care what service you want to
stop. However, you must understand that if I don't know what the
service is (there are several) then you are withholding the
information I need to offer advice. I may have plenty of advice, but
you are not receiving any advice because of your own decision not to
tell me the details. You are the holdup in the process.
Most everyone has paid for their license and hardware and software
just like you. You have not lost your property so you have nothing to
*recover*. Nobody has stripped you of any rights or privileges - you
can do whatever you want with your purchase, you just don't know how
to do it.
I would have to say it sounds like you don't fully understand your
property and how to use it. You are upset because it is not behaving
the way you think it should, but it is behaving the way it is designed
to behave. You just don't like it. It is unfortunate that the
designers of Windows XP did not consult with you first, but this is
what you decided to buy. There is a mechanism to offer suggestions
for future releases though.
Lots of Windows services can't be stopped using conventional methods
because they are tied into and dependent on other services, so
sometimes to stop one, you need to stop some others before it. XP
can't figure all that stuff out and tell you because there are too
many ways your system could be configured. By the wisdom of most
learned people, you are already operating in a high risk situation (at
your own choice of course).
You are describing a desire to inflict a dangerous computing
environment on yourself (dangerous to your computer expectations) and
that is certainly your privilege. If you want to work like that, I am
sure we can help you - sort of like assisted computer suicide. Or,
you can do a little research on your own and figure out the details of
the service that offends you and decide if you really want to stop it
or not. Either way, we can help.
Occasionally, there comes a user insisting that they must stop some
service, but have failed to research it and don't even know what it is
there for - but they feel obsessed with figuring out how to stop
something they do not understand by overriding the mechanisms built in
to prevent self destruction. We'll be glad to help you stop it, but
you need to tell us what the service is. It is a requirement to get
assistance.
Then, my next message to the person that ignores sage advice will be
"See you soon!"
Any service can be made not to run, but what are you going to do it
you disable the service, reboot and then XP won't start and you can't
even get back into XP to undo your change? Like others with your
enthusiasm, they start from scratch and maybe adjust their
requirements to prevent future instances of the same problem. Ow - it
hurts when I do that.
If that happens, you can probably still find help here but we know
from experience what usually happens in these situations - we are
just trying to help, but will be happy to turn you loose to learn on
your own - like we have. We have all learned from our experiences,
maybe you need a little convincing and we'll be happy to assist.
Most everyone around here has bought and paid for their stuff and in
this free community forum we try to help each other, solve problems,
share ideas, experience and advice.
If you feel you do not have enough control over your environment,
don't like the vague messages warning you, you feel cheated, etc.
there are some very, very simple solutions:
Switch to another operating system where you have more control (some
are free), or maybe you can just write your own operating system that
does everything you want and never be victim to someone else's design
again. Perfect! This is how new operating systems get started!
People didn't like the way Internet Explorer worked or behaved - too
many restrictions, too slow, silly error messages, unreliable,
inflexible. So, after complaining didn't solve the problems, lots of
smart people got together and developed alternatives.
Of all the operating systems available you selected Windows - you
chose it, you paid for it and now you don't like it. Maybe you can
get a refund.
There are plenty of other free (and paid subscription) newsgroups for
help, so if you are not satisfied with the generous service here, try
someplace else.
