Seriously, has anybody dual booted XP with Linux and had problems?Do you use GAG or Grub boot loader

[Alias]

Nope, the troll can't answer the question.

Here's the question you snipped because the answer would make you look
the fool you really are:


Do you still think that Windows is more secure than Linux for your
"business data"?

 

[GangGreene]

I've used this. I don't trust Windows installers, which can very
easily scrub drives I didn't want them to touch.

Not only that, windows will fix any harddrive in which you don't have a
partition table on, If you use the entire device by creating a file system
on it like mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb then reboot to windows windows will put a
partition table on the drive rendering your data/file system broken. All
without telling you.

 

[RayLopez99]

Here's the question you snipped because the answer would make you look
the fool you really are:

Do you still think that Windows is more secure than Linux for your
"business data"?

Yes, if said Windows data is behind a firewall and protected by anti-
virus software. Do you think Linux is more secure for your business
data? Why? Because 99% of the computing public cannot read ext3-
whatever file formats? That's not a good enough reason.

RL

 

[Alias]

Yes, if said Windows data is behind a firewall and protected by anti-
virus software.

And that protects you from hard drive failure how? What type of
firewall? Anti virus programs are constantly playing catch up to the
virus writers so your anti virus program is only as good as its
definitions which, naturally, are never up-to-date. Which anti virus
program do you use (wild guess, Norton)?

Do you think Linux is more secure for your business
data? Why? Because 99% of the computing public cannot read ext3-
whatever file formats? That's not a good enough reason.

RL

I use ext4 but that's not relevant. NO OS is secure for *any* data,
business or otherwise which is why people use external hard drives and
other removable media to back up their data.

That said, Windows has a much longer track record of ****ing itself up
than Linux does so, yes, you're better off with Linux although neither
are good substitutes for a proper back up program.

 

[RayLopez99]

I use ext4 but that's not relevant.

Wait--it is relevant. If understood correctly, you are now asking
about the HD, not about viruses. So if you can make the claim that
ext4 is somehow better than NTFS, then you have a point.

NO OS is secure for *any* data,
business or otherwise which is why people use external hard drives and
other removable media to back up their data.
Right.


That said, Windows has a much longer track record of ****ing itself up
than Linux does so, yes, you're better off with Linux although neither
are good substitutes for a proper back up program.

I see. You are focusing on technical stuff, and maybe you are right
(perhaps ext4 is superior to NTFS, perhaps Linux does have fewer
viruses than Windows, even a Windows machine that is protected by
antivirus software). But you fail to see the big picture: in a
business environment, 99% of people _don't_ use Linux. Using Linux is
like showing up in a board room wearing sandals, shorts and argyle
socks when everybody else is wearing wingtips and pinstripe suits.
Like the old New Yorker cartoon showing a lawyer dressed as Bozo the
clown meeting a new client, and the new client saying 'You must be
really, really good', with Linux, if you go into a business setting
using Linux you had better be really really good. Most of us don't
need that extra burden to carry, but for you Alias, be my guest.

RL

 

[Alias]

Wait--it is relevant. If understood correctly, you are now asking
about the HD, not about viruses. So if you can make the claim that
ext4 is somehow better than NTFS, then you have a point.

Not relevant. You snipped it again:

Do you still think that Windows is more secure than Linux for your
"business data"?

Right.

Of course I'm right.

I see. You are focusing on technical stuff, and maybe you are right
(perhaps ext4 is superior to NTFS, perhaps Linux does have fewer
viruses than Windows, even a Windows machine that is protected by
antivirus software).

More? There isn't one single virus or malware in the wild for Linux.

But you fail to see the big picture: in a
business environment, 99% of people _don't_ use Linux.

Thank goodness! Most people are sheep like you. Linux doesn't need you.
You need Linux but you're too biased and mentally challenged to learn it.

Using Linux is
like showing up in a board room wearing sandals, shorts and argyle
socks when everybody else is wearing wingtips and pinstripe suits.
Like the old New Yorker cartoon showing a lawyer dressed as Bozo the
clown meeting a new client, and the new client saying 'You must be
really, really good', with Linux, if you go into a business setting
using Linux you had better be really really good. Most of us don't
need that extra burden to carry, but for you Alias, be my guest.

RL

I stopped worrying about petty and superficial things like appearance a
long time ago. Windows provides a lot of down time and revenue loss as a
direct result. Be my guest, fool.

 

[Mike S]

I had a real big problem. I found I had a crap operating system using up
half my disk.

I have three machines that dual boot Ubuntu and XP, using grub, no
problems at all.

 

[C.Joseph Drayton]

Against my better judgment, I decided maybe to dual boot Linux with XP
(XP being installed first). I found a tutorial using Ubuntu for Linux
on how to do this (http://apcmag.com/
how_to_dual_boot_windows_xp_and_linux_xp_installed_first.htm) that
tries to make it look so easy, but the problem is in the MBR which
sometimes gets corrupted. To solve this, I found a Windows freeware
program called GAG http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Boot-Manager-Disk/GAG-d.shtml

In Linux you can use the dual boot manager Grub (?) I think.

I'm asking if this is a good idea, if anybody has had any problems,
and what utilities, like GAG or Grub, they use.

Hi RayLopez99,

To begin with, I am using a HP Pavilion dv8100cto that came with
WindowsXPpro. I installed Linux Ubuntu on it so that I can dual boot.
note that WindowsXP was on the machine first.

There is an important note that I would like to stress BEFORE I go into
instructions on setting up a dual boot system. Please make sure that the
Linux distro that you choose to use supports your networking devices.
The first version of Linux that I put on this machine was SUSe, and I
was very upset, because it did not recognize my wi-fi card. If you will
need special drivers, be sure that you download the appropriate DEB or
RPM (depending on distro you decide to use). When you download the file,
make sure that you check to see if the DEB/RPM has any dependencies. If
it does, you need to also download those dependencies. When you go to
install the network driver, you must install the dependencies first. If
you do not, then the package manager will try to download the
dependencies from the Internet but since you don't have the network
drivers installed yet, it can not do so.

1) You will need to use a partition manager like Partition Wizard;


http://download.cnet.com/Partition-Wizard-Home-Edition/3000-2094_4-10962200.html

2) What you want to do is create some free space (unallocated area on
drive). Do not create any EXT or swap partitions.

3) Once you have the free space, set your computer to boot from the
CDROM that you burned. I am currently using Karmic Koala myself. I tried
Lucid Lynx, but it did not support all of my hardware.

4) Tell the Linux disk that you want to install to a local hard disk.

5) Follow the prompts. When you get to the prompt that ask about where
to put the install, use the information below. Please read the entire
explanation before proceeding to write to your hard disk.

After it loads your EXISTING partition information, it will give you
a couple of choices. You are looking for the option that says to
'install to free space (unallocated) space. When you do this, the
partitioner will actually create 2 partitions in the free space. One
partition will be an EXT and the other a SWAP.

6) The install manager will install Linux then reboot.

7) Upon reboot, you will be given a GRUB (boot-loader menu) to choose
which OS you want to run.

Now then you are in Linux, but you can only READ from your NTFS
formatted Windows partition, you will need to go into a terminal and
type the following command please note that Linux is case-sensitive when
typing in a terminal.

sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g

You will be asked for your password, type it and hit enter (note there
is no screen echo of any type). This command will install a NTFS file
system 'manager' for you. I might also add that in some later versions
of Ubuntu NTFS-3g is already installed so you only need to install the
GUI configuration tool then I describe how to install below. Still in
the terminal type

sudo apt-get install ntfs-config

You may/may not be asked for your password, if you are then type it and
hit enter.

Now if you look on your main menu under Applications > System, you will
see that you have a GUI tool that you can use to set up read/write
access, and auto-mount of your NTFS drive.

One last recommendation, is that you will need a decent and 'somewhat'
friendly file manager. I would recommend Gnome-Commander. It is a two
panel file manager. You can get it by typing in a terminal:

sudo apt-get install gnome-commander

One thing that you need to keep in mind is that Linux takes the concept
of file/folder permissions VERY seriously so you may find that there are
times when you want to do something in Gnome-Commander and it tells you
that access is denied. To get around that, from a terminal, type;

sudo gnome-commander

This will ask for your password and then start Gnome-Commander with
elevated privileges.

That 'should' get you started . . . then be prepared to do A LOT of
reading, the mind-set of Linux is considerably different from Windows.

There are tools though like Ubuntu Tweak that make setting up your
system a little easier.

Sincerely,
C.Joseph Drayton, Ph.D. AS&T

CSD Computer Services

Web site: http://csdcs.site90.net/
E-mail: (e-mail address removed)90.net

 

[Norman Peelman]

Hi RayLopez99,

Oh no he didn't!

 

[Steve Hayes]

To begin with, I am using a HP Pavilion dv8100cto that came with
WindowsXPpro. I installed Linux Ubuntu on it so that I can dual boot.
note that WindowsXP was on the machine first.

My computer has Windows XP on it, and when I installed Linux (Fedora 12) it
didn't manage to install the dual boot thingy properly.

I suspect that that was because I installed it in the first partition on my
second hard drive.

I could still boot it by interrupting the start-up and telling the BIOS to
boot from the second hard drive.

Later I wanted to install Ubuntu over Fedora, but Ubuntu wanted to install
itself in a new partition it wanted to create on my first hard drive, and I
could not get it to install itself on the second hard drive. Perhaps the
reason it didn't want to do that is that dual booting is more difficult with
two different hard drives.

 

[Alias]

My computer has Windows XP on it, and when I installed Linux (Fedora 12) it
didn't manage to install the dual boot thingy properly.

I suspect that that was because I installed it in the first partition on my
second hard drive.

I could still boot it by interrupting the start-up and telling the BIOS to
boot from the second hard drive.

Later I wanted to install Ubuntu over Fedora, but Ubuntu wanted to install
itself in a new partition it wanted to create on my first hard drive, and I
could not get it to install itself on the second hard drive. Perhaps the
reason it didn't want to do that is that dual booting is more difficult with
two different hard drives.

Had you used the manual install you could have chosen where to put it.

 

[Norman Peelman]

My computer has Windows XP on it, and when I installed Linux (Fedora 12) it
didn't manage to install the dual boot thingy properly.

I suspect that that was because I installed it in the first partition on my
second hard drive.

I could still boot it by interrupting the start-up and telling the BIOS to
boot from the second hard drive.

Later I wanted to install Ubuntu over Fedora, but Ubuntu wanted to install
itself in a new partition it wanted to create on my first hard drive, and I
could not get it to install itself on the second hard drive. Perhaps the
reason it didn't want to do that is that dual booting is more difficult with
two different hard drives.

The installer gives you the option of selecting what drive/partition
you want to install to. If you set BIOS to boot from the second (linux)
hardrive and the run 'sudo update-grub' (asssuming grub2, maybe grub
does the same), grub will pickup the Windows install during its OS
Probing phase. It's called chainloading. The easiest way to not screw
anything up is to disconnect the drive(s) that you aren't installing
anything on at the moment and just let grub find them later. Just
remember to boot into the harddrive that is hosting grub by default.

 

[RayLopez99]

On Dec 4, 1:15 am, "C.Joseph Drayton" <[email protected]>
wrote:

r.

Sincerely,
C.Joseph Drayton, Ph.D. AS&T

CSD Computer Services

Web site:http://csdcs.site90.net/
E-mail: (e-mail address removed)90.net

Bull shit. You are some sort of scam artist. You expect me to follow
your instructions? Forget it mister. It's probably some clever
social engineering malware or practical joke. I follow your
instructions, then find out my entire system is trashed. Sure I will
backup, but will spend the next half day reinstalling my system.

It reminds me once back around 1995 there was a chain email that said
"if you have file xyz.sys in your /Windows directory, you are
infected--delete immediately (and it gave instructions how to do
so)". I knew it was a prank, but to test the robustness of Windows NT
I renamed the file, deleted it--and got the Blue Screen of Death. No
problem said I, I'll just reboot and rename the file back to where it
was--but I could not reboot! I had to reinstall the entire system--
from scratch, as this was before the days of Norton Ghost.

Ah, the good old days--they were terrible.

RL

 

[MyNews]

Always put Linux on it on HDD
Remove XP HDD for installing Linux to it's on HDD
Afterwards make the XP HDD jumper setting Master
the Linux HDD jumper setting Slave
Boot with GAG, http://gag.sourceforge.net/
THE GRAPHICAL BOOT MANAGER

I 100% with you I would not put a Linux on the same HDD as my Windows
Yes the good old days--they were terrible.

Linux for Linux, Windows for Windows may the two pasts not Cross

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