secondary hard drive not reconized when connected

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Guest

Both hd are western digital 160gb. they both worked together for past 2 yrs.
I reformatted primary hd using west dig software and loaded windows. when i
connected them back computer won't boot. comes up primary hd 0 and 1 not
found. removed secondary hd. won't boot. reads primary hd 0 not found. I
went into bios and turned of primary hd 1 off and then computer booted and
runs fine. when i reconnect 2nd hd it's not being reconized by computer
especially in bios.

Please help I have all my family pics saved and no back up!!!
 
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Guest

Vincent thanks for replying. I did check for bent pins. I tried the jumpers
on master/ slave. Before the screw up both hds were working on cable select
with no problem. I did switch the ribbon cable. when I put if as primary
comes up unknown device in the bios. western digital has software to test a
hd but since i can't get it to be reconized I can't run the test. You
mentioned master boot record. Is that in windows or in computer(bios)
itself. I also updated the bios when nothing else worked . I guess i should
tell you it's a dell dimension 8200. don't know if that helps but who knows.
Anymore thoughts will be greatly appreciated
 
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Guest

Brian the MBR is at the beginning of the hard drive i a laymens term its like
the BIO's. I would take it a good computer repair shop and tell him what has
happened and ask him to test it in one of his systems to see if the HD is
ok. I have lost four HD trying to fix them due to different computer
problems in the past. And Brian remember to make backups often, I have
learned my lesson the hard way.
 
A

Anna

Brian said:
Both hd are western digital 160gb. they both worked together for past 2
yrs.
I reformatted primary hd using west dig software and loaded windows. when
i
connected them back computer won't boot. comes up primary hd 0 and 1 not
found. removed secondary hd. won't boot. reads primary hd 0 not found. I
went into bios and turned of primary hd 1 off and then computer booted and
runs fine. when i reconnect 2nd hd it's not being reconized by computer
especially in bios.

Please help I have all my family pics saved and no back up!!!

(And he later adds...)
Vincent thanks for replying. I did check for bent pins. I tried the
jumpers
on master/ slave. Before the screw up both hds were working on cable select
with no problem. I did switch the ribbon cable. when I put if as primary
comes up unknown device in the bios. western digital has software to test a
hd but since i can't get it to be reconized I can't run the test. You
mentioned master boot record. Is that in windows or in computer(bios)
itself. I also updated the bios when nothing else worked . I guess i should
tell you it's a dell dimension 8200. don't know if that helps but who
knows.
Anymore thoughts will be greatly appreciated


Brian:
1. You say your two WD 160 GB HDs were apparently working fine for the past
two years. So why was there a need to "reformat" your boot drive?

2. In the future, if there's ever again a need for you to reinstall a fresh
copy of XP, use the XP installation CD to partition/format your HD during
the install process. Do not use a third-party program, such as the WD one to
pre-partition/pre-format your drive prior to installing the XP OS. The XP
program accomplishes this partitioning/formatting just fine. There's no need
for a third-party program.

3. You say that after you installed the OS, you "connected them (the two
HDs) back" and then the computer wouldn't boot. Why did you have to "connect
them back"? Was there some need for a reinstall of your HDs?

4. Why did you "switch the ribbon cable"? What exactly does that mean? Was
there some problem with the original Cable Select configuration?

5. Are you absolutely sure you've correctly connected/configured those two
drives? You've got them jumpered correctly? They're securely connected to
the IDE ribbon cable and to the motherboard's IDE connectors and you've
connected each drive to the correct connector (end or middle) on the IDE
cable, assuming you've configured the system for Cable Select? Once more,
are you absolutely sure you've correctly connected/configured those two
drives?

6. I trust nothing untoward happened when you "updated" the BIOS.

7. Do I understand you to say that if you disconnect your secondary HD, the
system will boot to the primary HD? The problem arises only if the secondary
HD is connected.
Anna
 
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Guest

Ann Thank you for replying. Let me see if i can answer your questions so
you'll know more about the situation.
1. I have 4 kids and they have downloaded all kinds of stuff to the
computer. I wanted to "clean the slate" so I removed the secondary hd
(wanted to make sure nothing happened to it by accident when i reformatted.
i formatted the drive using xp but it only came up as a 130gig limitation. I
used wd software the first time to correct the limitation problem which it
did and both drives read 149gig. so what i did was i took my original hd
that came with the computer(120 western digital) which still had xp os on it.
I put that as primary then put my 160gig primary as secondary. I then went
in and used the western digital software data lifeguard tools and
reformatted. I then shut down disconnected both drives and put the 160
primary back on to the end connection. I then loaded xp. booted fine,
worked fine. I connected my other 160gig (which I have saved everything to )
to the middle
slot on the ribbon. when i turn it on it stays on the dell screen and after
about 20 seconds comes up 0 primary hd not found 1primary hd not found.
checked bios and reads unknow devices for primary hd 0 and 1. restarted
several times and kept on doing the same thing. Now here is the funny part.
I removed my secondary 160 and put my original 120 wd hd on as secondary and
loads fine. Keep in mind it has a os on it. the question is did my 160 hd
die just that fast? It was working fine. did the wd software change
something some where? mother board? I don't know.
2. i switche the ribbon cable out to see if there was a problem with the
cable. It did the same thing with both cables so I know the ribbon is not
the problem.
3. both hds were woking together on cable select for past 2 yrs. I even
tried changing the jumpes to master and slave. Still the same thing, will not
boot if that hd is on. I even trie putting the secondary as primary by its
self and computer won' t reconize it even to format it. i did make sure
that i used the end of the ribbon as primary and middle as secondary. If you
have any more ideas or suggestions I would greatly appreciate it . Again
thank you for taking the time to help me-Brian




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Anna

Brian said:
Ann Thank you for replying. Let me see if i can answer your questions so
you'll know more about the situation.
1. I have 4 kids and they have downloaded all kinds of stuff to the
computer. I wanted to "clean the slate" so I removed the secondary hd
(wanted to make sure nothing happened to it by accident when i
reformatted.
i formatted the drive using xp but it only came up as a 130gig limitation.
I
used wd software the first time to correct the limitation problem which it
did and both drives read 149gig. so what i did was i took my original hd
that came with the computer(120 western digital) which still had xp os on
it.
I put that as primary then put my 160gig primary as secondary. I then went
in and used the western digital software data lifeguard tools and
reformatted. I then shut down disconnected both drives and put the 160
primary back on to the end connection. I then loaded xp. booted fine,
worked fine. I connected my other 160gig (which I have saved everything
to )
to the middle
slot on the ribbon. when i turn it on it stays on the dell screen and
after
about 20 seconds comes up 0 primary hd not found 1primary hd not found.
checked bios and reads unknow devices for primary hd 0 and 1. restarted
several times and kept on doing the same thing. Now here is the funny
part.
I removed my secondary 160 and put my original 120 wd hd on as secondary
and
loads fine. Keep in mind it has a os on it. the question is did my 160
hd
die just that fast? It was working fine. did the wd software change
something some where? mother board? I don't know.
2. i switche the ribbon cable out to see if there was a problem with the
cable. It did the same thing with both cables so I know the ribbon is not
the problem.
3. both hds were woking together on cable select for past 2 yrs. I even
tried changing the jumpes to master and slave. Still the same thing, will
not
boot if that hd is on. I even trie putting the secondary as primary by
its
self and computer won' t reconize it even to format it. i did make sure
that i used the end of the ribbon as primary and middle as secondary. If
you
have any more ideas or suggestions I would greatly appreciate it . Again
thank you for taking the time to help me-Brian


Brian:
Let me see if I have this straight...
1. You had two 160 GB HDs in the system - your primary boot drive and a
secondary HD you were using for storage.
2. Using the WD software, you made a fresh XP install of the primary HD
after disconnecting your secondary HD. Or did you use the XP installation CD
to perform this fresh install, including the partitioning & formatting?
3. I assume the fresh install went without incident, right? But after
performing this fresh install you discovered the system apparently ran up
against the large-capacity HD limitation barrier, i.e., only about 128 GB of
that 160 GB (actually about 149 GB) was recognized by the system. And there
had been no previous problem in this area, right? The system had previously
recognized the full-capacity, i.e., about 149 GB, of that drive, right?
4. And you had not changed any connections, jumper settings, etc. other than
disconnecting your secondary HD when you installed the XP OS, right? Not a
single setting was changed, yes?
5. So now when you discovered the full capacity of that 160 GB drive had not
been recognized, (and here's where I get confused)...
a. You then used the WD software to re:format that drive so that the full
capacity of the drive was recognized?, or,
b. You changed HDs and substituted another (original) 120 GB HD for the 160
GB one?

What do you mean when you say you used the WD software "the first time to
correct the limitation problem"? What "first time"?

Brian, as I got to this point in my intended message to you, I realized that
I really don't have an accurate picture of exactly what transpired that led
to your problem and more importantly, I'm thus unable to provide you with
(what I would hope would be) a specific & detailed "fix" to your problem. So
let me instead provide you with some "generic" comments and hope this will
somehow lead to a resolution of the problem.

1. As I previously indicated, in an XP environment there is no need to use
any third-party program to partition/format your HD prior to a fresh install
of the OS. It's always best to use the XP installation routine to do this.
2. As long as your motherboard's BIOS recognizes large-capacity disks, and
you've installed SP1 and SP2 onto the OS, the system will recognize the
full-capacity of drives > 137 GB. Again, there is no need to use any
third-party program to do this.
3. When installing your HDs you must ensure that they are
connected/configured correctly. That of course, includes jumper settings
depending upon how you're setting up your system - Cable Select,
Primary/Secondary, Master/Slave, etc.

Perhaps the best course at this point is to try another fresh install of the
XP OS on your 160 GB HD. Following that, access Disk Management to determine
that all is well concerning the accurate recognition of the drives involved.

Incidentally, I'm assuming in all this that the OEM nature of the Dell
machine is not an issue here and that you're using a retail copy of the XP
OS. And, as I said previously, that your "updating" of the BIOS didn't cause
any problem here.
Anna
 
S

Steve

I then shut down disconnected both drives and put the 160
primary back on to the end connection. I then loaded xp. booted fine,
worked fine. I connected my other 160gig (which I have saved everything to )
to the middle
slot on the ribbon. when i turn it on it stays on the dell screen and after
about 20 seconds comes up 0 primary hd not found 1primary hd not found.
checked bios and reads unknow devices for primary hd 0 and 1. restarted
several times and kept on doing the same thing. Now here is the funny part.
I removed my secondary 160 and put my original 120 wd hd on as secondary and
loads fine. Keep in mind it has a os on it. the question is did my 160 hd
die just that fast? It was working fine.

Ok, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this has happened to me..
it's winter, the air is cool and dry, there's lots of static, the Bios
is not recognizing the drive.....

Quite possibly when you disconnected the drive it was dismounted from
the case, thus no ground, then you disconnected the power cord FIRST,
that leaves a flow of static from the case of the drive, which you're
holding in your hand, through the IDE connector to the motherboard.
That can fry the cmos I/O chip on the HD. Or the firmware can be
corrupted by a spark anywhere, Even just disconnecting the power cord
before the ribbon while still mounted can cause harm. ALWAYS leave
the drive mounted or at least grounded to the case, and connect the
power connector first then the IDE ribbon, or FIRST disconnect the
ribbon then the power connector... Everything you're describing about
the order of events suggests the drive was lost when you disconnected
it or during reconnecting. It's even more likely if the system was
inadvertently powered up when doing this.

... Sorry..

... Steve ..
 

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