Seagate Disc Wizard problem:

[JS]

Ok, you are saying that you used Disk Manager to Partition and Format the
new drive, Yes?
After you formatted the new drive did it show up in Disk Manager as
'Healthy'?
After you did the above, you attempted to install Disk Wizard, Yes?
Where (Which drive) did you install the Disk Wizard software to?

JS

 

[Robert]

Ok, you are saying that you used Disk Manager to Partition and Format the
new drive, Yes?
After you formatted the new drive did it show up in Disk Manager as
'Healthy'?
After you did the above, you attempted to install Disk Wizard, Yes?
Where (Which drive) did you install the Disk Wizard software to?

JS

I guess I didn't make myself clear, I cancelled the partitioning
procedure because of the following message I recieved during
partitioning:

The software you are installing for this software:

Generic Volume
has not pass Windows Logo testing to verify it's compatibility with
Windows XP.

Continuing your installation of the software may impair or
destabilize
the correct operation of your system either immediately or in the
future. Microsoft strongly reccomends that you stop the
installation now (which I did) and contact the hardware vendor for
software that has passed Windows Logo testing.

Cannot install this hardware. There was a problem installing this
hardware:

an error occurred during the installation of this device:

The driver cannot be installed because it is either not digitially
signed or not signed in the appropriate manner. Contact Hardware
Vendor.

The operation did not complete because the partition or volume is not
enabled. To enable the partition or voume,restart the computer.

I deleted the partition since it didn't complete successfully. Why do
I keep getting these errors from Microsoft and is it ok to continue
and just ignore them? I certainly don't want to mess my computer up
but I want to get this hard drive running so I can clone my other
drive.

It did show up as healthy despite this however I knew this could not
be so since I stopped the procedure so I deleted the partition. It is
now and still is a unpartitioned/unformatted drive.

I did not attempt to install the disk wizard because at this point I
still do not have a partitioned/formatted drive. When I do finally get
it partitioned and formatted then I will put the wizard on the old
drive.

Comments/Suggestions?

Robert

 

[Robert]

I guess I didn't make myself clear, I cancelled the partitioning
procedure because of the following message I recieved during
partitioning:

The software you are installing for this software:






It did show up as healthy despite this however I knew this could not
be so since I stopped the procedure so I deleted the partition. It is
now and still is a unpartitioned/unformatted drive.

I did not attempt to install the disk wizard because at this point I
still do not have a partitioned/formatted drive. When I do finally get
it partitioned and formatted then I will put the wizard on the old
drive.

Comments/Suggestions?

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This is really weird, I went back into disk manager to try again and
it shows the drive as E:\ and says healthy. This is after I deleted
the partition! Now I have to format this drive correct? I'm going to
give it a try and worst thing that can happen is that I'll just have
to start all over.


Robert

 

[Robert]

Ok, you are saying that you used Disk Manager to Partition and Format the
new drive, Yes?
After you formatted the new drive did it show up in Disk Manager as
'Healthy'?
After you did the above, you attempted to install Disk Wizard, Yes?
Where (Which drive) did you install the Disk Wizard software to?

JS

Let me see if I can get this straight; I first wne into Disk Manager
and tried to paritition Drive E with a primary partition. It gave me
the error message from Microsoft, and so I cancelled the partitioning.
Yet when I went back to Disk Manager it said that it was healthy, and
because I had stopped it I didn;t think it was so I deleted the
partition.

Later, I logged on to give this another try and went to Disk Manager
and Drive E) said it was healthy! This is after I deleted the
partition! So I figured what the heck, so I clicked on the drive and
clicked format and it actually finished formatting the drive. This is
what it says:

Volume Layout Type File System Status Capacity Free
Space

New Volume(EPartition Basic NTFS Healthy 149.05GB
148.98GB

To be honest I'm very surprised that the drive showed healthy after I
deleted the partition and even more suprised that it formatted with no
errors. Hmmmmm

Now I need to still install Disk Wizard I thought of installing it to
the E: drive but I thought since it's empty I couldn't install/use it
there since it has no BIOS or anything?
At least I'm a little further along,....


Robert

 

[Wally]

Now I need to still install Disk Wizard I thought of installing it to
the E: drive but I thought since it's empty I couldn't install/use it
there since it has no BIOS or anything?
At least I'm a little further along,....


Robert

Good, you're gettng somewhere. Don't forget when you do this stuff,
make sure everything is turned off - internet-programs-anti-virus-etc.

I'd disable screen saver for good measure.

 

[Robert]

Good, you're gettng somewhere. Don't forget when you do this stuff,
make sure everything is turned off - internet-programs-anti-virus-etc.

I'd disable screen saver for good measure.

First of all, I want to thank everyone for their suggestions and
comments and taking the time to walk me through this.

I successfully partitioned and formatted the drive, and then
successfully installed Seagate Disk Wizard and succesfully cloned the
drive! I then switched the cables so that the E:\ drive is on the
master and everything seems to be working fine. I checked Disk
Management and sure enough it says (E healthy and all the rest. I
can't thankyou all enough for helping through this. After I satisfied
myself that all is seemed to be working I deleted Seagate on the add/
remove program.

I do have a few last questions:
If I re-connect the old drive to the slave should I leave it as is and
just clean it up by deleting programs I won't be using? Otherwise how
could I use it?

Also when booting up and this happened on the other drive as well
there was a split second frame like flash before the start-up toolbar
activated. I was wondering what this was?

If you have any other comments or suggestions I would appreciate
hearing them.

Thank you,
Robert

 

[JS]

Glad you up and running although the errors you received do puzzle me.

First I would leave the old drive disconnected for a few weeks or more until
you are absolutely certain everything is and stays functional.
(if you should have problems with the new drive, that old drive may be your
only way back)

Below are two disk utilities to test that new drive and display S.M.A.R.T.
info (how healthy is your drive).
Try HD Tune, provides drive info and has an option to test your drive.
http://www.hdtune.com/
Also SpeedFan has an online analysis feature for hard drives.
http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

When you finally do connect the old drive, wipe it clean (be certain that
you wipe the old drive and not the new one) by reformatting it.
Then I would use it for backups of important data.

JS

 

[JS]

Had another idea as to your problem. The Dell 8200 was sold in 2002/3 time
frame, this was the time when 48 bit LBA (support for drives larger than
137GB) was being just becoming available, and your Dell may not support 48
Bit LBA which could explain the error when formatting.

You can check your BIOS to see if the drive size is properly reported, you
can also use HD Tune's 'Info' tab to see if the 48 Bit LBA box is checked
(if it is not then you can only use 137 GB of the 160 GB Total) and also
check Disk Manager to see if it recognizes the full drive size.

Dell may have a BIOS update that provides 48 Bit LBA support, but you will
need to check their web site.
Also you need Windows XP SP1 or SP2, the original version does not support
drives larger than 137GB.

How to enable 48-bit Logical Block Addressing support for ATAPI disk drives
in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/303013/en-us

JS

 

[Robert]

Glad you up and running although the errors you received do puzzle me.

First I would leave the old drive disconnected for a few weeks or more until
you are absolutely certain everything is and stays functional.
(if you should have problems with the new drive, that old drive may be your
only way back)

Below are two disk utilities to test that new drive and display S.M.A.R.T.
info (how healthy is your drive).
Try HD Tune, provides drive info and has an option to test your drive.http://www.hdtune.com/
Also SpeedFan has an online analysis feature for hard drives.http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

When you finally do connect the old drive, wipe it clean (be certain that
you wipe the old drive and not the new one) by reformatting it.
Then I would use it for backups of important data.

JS

First let me say I appreciate your thoughful suggestions and I
download HD Tune and these are the results:

Benchmark:
Min 5.7 mb/sec
Max 74.4 mb/sec
Aver 58.5 mb/sec
access time 15.2 ms
burst rate 74.9 mb/sec
cpu usuage 5.8

Info:
Partition Drive Label Capacity Usuage Type Bootable
1 125 mb 0.00% unknown
no
2 C:\ 152.499 mb 12.12% NTFS yes


Supported features(checked):
S.M.A.R.T.
48 bit address
read look ahead
write cache
host protected area
device configuration overlay
firmware upgradable
power management
security mode

ST3160815A(160gb)

Firmware version 3.AAC
Capacity 149.1 gb(~160.0gb)
buffer 8192 kb
Standard ATA/ATAP1-7
Supported UDMA Mode5(Ultra ATA/100)
Active UDMA Mode5(Ultra ATA/100)

Health ok
Power on time 35

Error Scan:

OK-(all green) Time 45.57
Scanning speed - 36.6 mb/sec
Position 152566 mb
Damaged blocks 0.0%

In passing, I have SP2 installed on my system.

I then down loaded Speed Fan which seemed a bit more advanced but here
are the results:

SMART - enalbed for drive 0
Found ST316-815A(160.0 gb)
End of detection

Fan 1 0 rpm HD0:32C
Fan 2 0 rpm
Fan 3 0 rpm

Speed 01 0
Speed 02 0

I checked the other tabs but it seemed they were use to change speeds
and I closed them back down.

Another thing I noticed is a new icon on my desktop

initdebug.nfo (is this part of HD Tune?)

I agree with you about leaving the old hard drive disconnected but I
don't understand the reasoning to wipe it clean once I feel safe about
it. I guess what I'm asking is won't everything I store on that drive
be all jumbled up?


I've noticed in some instances such as logging on that the computer is
much faster than before, but other times it seems to take longer when
I click on things. I noticed this especially when I went to open a
file in my Dell imagining (to see if everything was working) and it
took a little time to bring up the pictures but I noticed that when I
opened it a second time the pictures snapped right up, so is it a
matter of cookies etc and that it will gain speed over time? Is there
anything else I can do to speed up my computer? Any other suggestions
or advice?


Robert

 

[Robert]

Had another idea as to your problem. The Dell 8200 was sold in 2002/3 time
frame, this was the time when 48 bit LBA (support for drives larger than
137GB) was being just becoming available, and your Dell may not support 48
Bit LBA which could explain the error when formatting.

You can check your BIOS to see if the drive size is properly reported, you
can also use HD Tune's 'Info' tab to see if the 48 Bit LBA box is checked
(if it is not then you can only use 137 GB of the 160 GB Total) and also
check Disk Manager to see if it recognizes the full drive size.

Dell may have a BIOS update that provides 48 Bit LBA support, but you will
need to check their web site.
Also you need Windows XP SP1 or SP2, the original version does not support
drives larger than 137GB.

How to enable 48-bit Logical Block Addressing support for ATAPI disk drives
in Windows XPhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/303013/en-us

JS












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Tonight the computer seems faster in most respects. I clicked on other
imagine files thinking I had to do this to all of them but they all
opened very fast. Cool *s*


Robert

 

[Robert]

Tonight the computer seems faster in most respects. I clicked on other
imagine files thinking I had to do this to all of them but they all
opened very fast. Cool *s*

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I just wanted to add that so far tonight, the computer is incrediably
fast which is what I was hoping for with the added memory. This is
great not that it was that slow before but there is a noticable
difference now.

I think I'm going to have to uninstall and reinstall the drivers for
the LG DVD/RW drive as I remember they didn't complete successfully
after I installed it and I restored the old system to that point then
cloned it. In any case, according to Microsoft it won't see it as DVD/
RW drive until the next service pak. Indeed it shows it as a CD-ROM
drive which I mentioned previously.

The only thing left for me to do is build a external hard drive for
backups. Unless you have some recommendations/suggestions I think I
will go with the same hard drive from Seagate and buy an enclosure
from Newegg(any reccomendations?) and add a PCI card to upgrade my
computer to USB 2.0 and I've heard Casper XP is a good program to use
for this. Thoughts/Suggestions?


Robert

 

[Robert]

The only thing left for me to do is build a external hard drive for
backups. Unless you have some recommendations/suggestions I think I
will go with the same hard drive from Seagate and buy an enclosure
from Newegg(any reccomendations?) and add a PCI card to upgrade my
computer to USB 2.0 and I've heard Casper XP is a good program to use
for this. Thoughts/Suggestions?

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Hmmmmmm a thought just occurred to me after reading another post, once
my LG DVD/RW drive is reconized when the next service pak is
issued(whatever that is) could I do my backups from there using disks
instead of an external hard drive ? Would that be enough to hold the
entire Operating System? Or am I better off using an external hard
drive?

Robert

 

[JS]

You will find that most people recommend using an external hard drive for
backups, logic is if this drive is not connected and you suffer a major
problem with the PC the external drive will not be effected.

I however do not have an external drive so I store my image backups to
either the second or third drive in my PC and then periodically burn the
image file to a DVD for safe keeping.

JS

 

[JS]

Did you besides adding a new drive also add more ram memory?

JS

 

[JS]

It's a Speedfan file. This file (initdebug.nfo) was created by the 'give
i/o' service when you installed Speedfan, it apparently uses the
service/file to get values from temperature sensors in your PC.

You can delete this file!

JS

 

[JS]

Wipe (reformat it) the old drive, why leave the old copy of Windows and
applications on it (just takes up space).

JS

 

[Robert]

Did you besides adding a new drive also add more ram memory?

JS

No I did not add more ram, should I do this or should have done this?
Isn't it just inserting ram chips onto the motherboard? I suppose I
could do this once I hook the old drive back up and reformat it. Any
suggestions as to which type of ram I should buy? Although at present
the computer seems fine.

I did delete the initdebug.nfo prograqm.

The reason I asked about the old drive is of course I don't want to
leave all that stuff on there but my question was how do I utilize it
without having any programs. So after I reformat it I can I create
folders/files and put whatever I want on there? Sorry if my questions
are simplistic.

Robert

 

[JS]

No don't add any more ram if everything runs fine, it's just that in one of
your earlier post you used the word 'memory' and I thought you also added
more memory in addition to a larger hard drive. As a reference point most
people agree that 348 to 512MB of ram memory meets most users/application
requirements, there are exceptions to this rule, for example: heavy photo
editing (large photo files) and gaming.

As to that old drive:
All your programs now reside on the new drive, however if you are confident
that the old drive is still good you can use it to store backup copies of
important data/files you create when using your applications. So yes, after
you reformat it you can create folders for organizing your files by subject
matter.

JS

 

[Robert]

No don't add any more ram if everything runs fine, it's just that in one of
your earlier post you used the word 'memory' and I thought you also added
more memory in addition to a larger hard drive. As a reference point most
people agree that 348 to 512MB of ram memory meets most users/application
requirements, there are exceptions to this rule, for example: heavy photo
editing (large photo files) and gaming.

As to that old drive:
All your programs now reside on the new drive, however if you are confident
that the old drive is still good you can use it to store backup copies of
important data/files you create when using your applications. So yes, after
you reformat it you can create folders for organizing your files by subject
matter.

JS

You're quite right I did use the term 'memory' to describe the new
hard drive. I guess I should have said more gb to store data/programs
whereas memory equates to ram and rom. Sometimes the computer
terminology confuses and frustrates me when I'm trying to describe
something or a problem I might be having.
In referencing your comment " 348 to 512MB of ram memory meets most
users/application requirements, there are exceptions to this rule, for
example: heavy photo editing (large photo files) and gaming."

I do have quite a few folders/files with photo's on them, but I
haven't noticed any degradation in the systems performance regarding
this. In fact, it seems pretty fast. I'm not much of a gamer and only
have 1 game installed(Jedi Academy). I noticed a difference in this as
well. I played the game last night and usually after I get 'killed'
repeatedly it would stop the game but last night it just resumed the
game again and again and again.

By the way, since you didn't comment on the results of the test's
from HD Tune and Speed Fan I assume there's nothing to worry about.

I guess I'll wait awhile just to make sure everything stays the way it
is then I'll reformat the old hard drive.

Then I'll attempt to create an external hard drive later on,.. after
the holidays.

I want to thak you once again for helping me and walking me through
all of this, I appreciate it.

Robert

 

[JS]

It's not the photos that are stored on the hard drive, it's when you attempt
to display and then edit them. For instance I have a large number of photo
files stored on my 500GB drive, an actual single photo file size is about 90
MB, so when I scan in and edit new group of 8 photos, memory get gobbled up
fast.

As to the results you posted on the hard drive I did not see any problem,
however there is a whole section devoted to S.M.A.R.T. information which you
did not post, below is SpeedFan's web analysis for one of my older drives:
Western Digital WD1600JB

"The average temperature for this hard disk is 37C (MIN=28C MAX=47C) and
yours is 32C.
All of the attributes of your hard disk have normal values. This is good.
The overall fitness for this drive is 90%.
The overall performance for this drive is 96%."

Attribute Current Raw Overall
Raw Read Error Rate 200 0 Very good
Spin Up Time 124 4300 Good
Start/Stop Count 99 1144 Very good
Reallocated Sector Count 199 10 Very good
Seek Error Rate 200 0 Very good
Power On Hours Count 90 7435 Very good
Spin Retry Count 100 0 Very good
Calibration Retry Count 100 0 Very good
Power Cycle Count 99 1144 Normal
Reallocated Event Count 199 1 Very good
Current Pending Sector 200 0 Very good
Offline Uncorrectable Sector Count 200 0 Very good
Ultra DMA CRC Error Rate 200 1 Very good
Write Error Rate 200 0 Very good

It was a pleasure helping you!
JS