SCSI scanner, Adaptec card, Windows


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David WE Roberts

Does anyone have a SCSI scanner connected to an Adaptec card under Windows?

Just doing this, but not yet got it working.

First, at the start of boot time the Adaptec BIOS thingie cycles through the
SCSI IDs.
I don't see anything against SCSI 9 where the scanner is.
I used to on another system which had an external HDD.
Should I be seing something?
i.e. is the card not seeing the scanner?

Also, under Hardware Manager I can see the SCSI card but no sign of an
unknown SCSi device.
Should I see some device if there is a SCSI scanner which does not yet have
a driver installed?

Cheers

Dave R

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Rob

Not sure if this will help you, but I have an Acer Scanwit 2740 film
scanner attached to an Adaptec 19160 card running under Win 7 64 bit.
I'm using Vuescan and Vuescan drivers.

I don't usually have the scanner turned on at boot; I switch it on
later, then go into Device Manager, right-click on Imaging Devices,
and scan for hardware changes. (I think you could right-click on
storage devices, as well.)

The scanner then appears as 'SCSI Scanner' in imaging devices.

Chris.

Thats correct you can either load it at boot or scan in device manager.
 
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Rob

Some things to try - change the scanner's scsi ID to something lower -
why is it set at 9? - most scsi cards just recognize 0-7. Make sure that
the termination is correct; you may have to make adjustments both on the
scanner and the card. Get the installation instructions from Adaptec for
your card. The scanner should be already be turned on when you start up
the PC.
There maybe be another small file missing which does not come with some
windows OS. Vuescan did mention it on there web site and had the file to
download.

I also think scsi can only see 7 devices (not 9)

Been so long since I ran SCSI devices.
 
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David WE Roberts

Bennett said:
Some things to try - change the scanner's scsi ID to something lower - why
is it set at 9? - most scsi cards just recognize 0-7. Make sure that the
termination is correct; you may have to make adjustments both on the
scanner and the card. Get the installation instructions from Adaptec for
your card. The scanner should be already be turned on when you start up
the PC.
Late to respond, but thanks - this in correct.
Dumb bunny moment from me, in assuming that if the switch can be set to 9
then it is a valid address.
Set to my favourite SCSI ID of 2 and everything worked fine.

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Michael J Davis

David WE Roberts said:
Late to respond, but thanks - this in correct.
Dumb bunny moment from me, in assuming that if the switch can be set to
9 then it is a valid address.
Set to my favourite SCSI ID of 2 and everything worked fine.
Has anyone suggestions for a source of this connector? To connect a
Canonscan film scanner to a computor. (My old Win98 with scsi card is to
be retired!)

I've tried everywhere, and most places are out of stock / discontinued?

Thanks

Mike
 
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Michael J Davis

Bennett said:
What sort of connector/connection is on each end? Are you trying to
convert the Canon to USB? Why aren't you just getting a SCSI card for
your new computer? etc., etc.
Thanks for replying, Bennett.

Um, those are good questions...

1) I think the card I have fitted is an old style card, different from
the smaller cards in newer computers. I need to check that out, though.
Partly, I guess, is that I've never heard of anyone running SCSI with
XP.

2) The CanoScan 2730 came with the card, IIRC. I just assumed that USB
was the new type of serial bus. It was only reading this thread that
made me realise that it may be possible to adapt USB serial port to
SCSI. So I started looking around for an adaptor.

Sorry, I'm not a computer expert, merely a user....

Since I'm planning on a new computer to run some more serious photo
software, I'll check out whether I can use the old SCSI card on my XP
Pro set up first. - I'll do this over the Easter weekend, and refer back
here.

Thanks again for your response.

Mike
 
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Rob

Thanks for replying, Bennett.

Um, those are good questions...

1) I think the card I have fitted is an old style card, different from
the smaller cards in newer computers. I need to check that out, though.
Partly, I guess, is that I've never heard of anyone running SCSI with
XP.

2) The CanoScan 2730 came with the card, IIRC. I just assumed that USB
was the new type of serial bus. It was only reading this thread that
made me realise that it may be possible to adapt USB serial port to
SCSI. So I started looking around for an adaptor.

Sorry, I'm not a computer expert, merely a user....

Since I'm planning on a new computer to run some more serious photo
software, I'll check out whether I can use the old SCSI card on my XP
Pro set up first. - I'll do this over the Easter weekend, and refer back
here.

Thanks again for your response.

Mike

Most people who ran SCSI did use XP.

There are SCSI cards out there which fit PCI slots with USB like ports.
or find a Motherboard which has SCSI onboard.

One question what motherboard are you running on you computer as it may
have SCSI socket on board.

If you find a SCSI card secondhand make sure it will run your scanner
and that it was not packages with some other SCSI hardware as a
dedicated card.

SCSI is a lot better than USB.

What ever you decide I may have a spare S/H card you can have for the
cost of postage. Ill have a look and see whats there.
 
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Michael J Davis

Most people who ran SCSI did use XP.

There are SCSI cards out there which fit PCI slots with USB like ports.
or find a Motherboard which has SCSI onboard.

One question what motherboard are you running on you computer as it may
have SCSI socket on board.

If you find a SCSI card secondhand make sure it will run your scanner
and that it was not packages with some other SCSI hardware as a
dedicated card.

SCSI is a lot better than USB.

What ever you decide I may have a spare S/H card you can have for the
cost of postage. Ill have a look and see whats there.
Thanks, Rob. I'll have to check this out over Easter. Thank you for the
offer.

Mike
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David WE Roberts

Michael J Davis said:
Has anyone suggestions for a source of this connector? To connect a
Canonscan film scanner to a computor. (My old Win98 with scsi card is to
be retired!)

I've tried everywhere, and most places are out of stock / discontinued?

What kind of connector do you have at the PC end of your SCSI cable?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCSI_connector should help you sort this out.
Same or different from the one on the scanner?

I think it is possible that you will have the old Centronics style at both
ends at the moment, although the connections may be more modern.

Anyway, you need two things.

(1) A SCSI card which will fit your PC and is backward compatible with SCSI
I (one).
(2) A SCSI cable which matches the two ends - PC and scanner.

If you have an older style cable then you may have to buy a new cable or an
adaptor - neither of which are particularly cheap.
I am assuming you already have termination sorted out as this was running
with Win98.

In my case we bought a boxed Adaptec 29160N from (IIRC) eBay.
This has a 50 pin connection on the card.
Cables came with the scanner.

Worked fine with VueScan - you will need scanner drivers as well, of course,
for your chosen O/S and if they are not available then it is VueScan or
Linux.

Cheers

Dave R
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[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

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(")_(")
 
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Michael J Davis

David WE Roberts said:
What kind of connector do you have at the PC end of your SCSI cable?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCSI_connector should help you sort this out.
Same or different from the one on the scanner?

I think it is possible that you will have the old Centronics style at
both ends at the moment, although the connections may be more modern.

Anyway, you need two things.

(1) A SCSI card which will fit your PC and is backward compatible with
SCSI I (one).
(2) A SCSI cable which matches the two ends - PC and scanner.

If you have an older style cable then you may have to buy a new cable
or an adaptor - neither of which are particularly cheap.
I am assuming you already have termination sorted out as this was
running with Win98.

In my case we bought a boxed Adaptec 29160N from (IIRC) eBay.
This has a 50 pin connection on the card.
Cables came with the scanner.

Worked fine with VueScan - you will need scanner drivers as well, of
course, for your chosen O/S and if they are not available then it is
VueScan or Linux.
Dave, Bennett, and others - thank you all for your helpful and kind
comments.

I've opened up my Win 98 computer (with the SCSI card installed - but a
really fiddly job to get at) and the Win XP Pro machine - a Dell and a
doddle to open up, and compared the connections & configuration.

To my surprise, the two machines have the same types of slot. (I must
have been recalling the frustration of a previous generation of machines
that meant that I had to change some peripherals.)

So thanks, I guess I don't need the adaptor I asked about.

I'm not going through the hassle of installing the SCSI card (labelled
Canon YH9-0091) into the Win XPPro machine, as I hope it will install
into a new Win 7 machine I need for my photo processing.

However, I have two new concerns. :-(

Will the old Canon drivers dating from 1996/7 work under Win 7 and will
the SCSI card be recognised by such a machine?

Do the answers to this affect my decision whether to go for a 32-bit or
a 64-bit installation?

Many thanks for your patience in the face of my ignorance.

Mike
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They're always better or worse."
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Michael J Davis

Rob said:
Most people who ran SCSI did use XP.

There are SCSI cards out there which fit PCI slots with USB like ports.
or find a Motherboard which has SCSI onboard.

One question what motherboard are you running on you computer as it may
have SCSI socket on board.

If you find a SCSI card secondhand make sure it will run your scanner
and that it was not packages with some other SCSI hardware as a
dedicated card.

SCSI is a lot better than USB.

What ever you decide I may have a spare S/H card you can have for the
cost of postage. Ill have a look and see whats there.
Rob, thanks!

I've now investigated and found that my SCSI card *is* (well it looks
it) compatible with my later computer. Your kind offer for a card isn't
necessary, but much appreciated.

I've now some questions as to how to get it working with Win 7, which
I've addressed in a separate post in reply to David.

Thanks again!

Mike
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http://www.fluidr.com/photos/watchman/

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They're always better or worse."
Diane Arbus
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David WE Roberts

Michael J Davis said:
David WE Roberts <nospam@btinternet.com> was inspired to say
I've opened up my Win 98 computer (with the SCSI card installed - but a
really fiddly job to get at) and the Win XP Pro machine - a Dell and a
doddle to open up, and compared the connections & configuration.

To my surprise, the two machines have the same types of slot. (I must
have been recalling the frustration of a previous generation of machines
that meant that I had to change some peripherals.)

So thanks, I guess I don't need the adaptor I asked about.

I'm not going through the hassle of installing the SCSI card (labelled
Canon YH9-0091) into the Win XPPro machine, as I hope it will install
into a new Win 7 machine I need for my photo processing.

However, I have two new concerns. :-(

Will the old Canon drivers dating from 1996/7 work under Win 7 and will
the SCSI card be recognised by such a machine?

Do the answers to this affect my decision whether to go for a 32-bit or
a 64-bit installation?
<snip>

Bit of a jump there - the card fits into an XP Pro machine but you haven't
said that you have confirmed the card slot type and then confirmed that your
new (not yet bought?) W7 machine has the same card slot type.

So you have three issues:
(1) Will the new W7 PC physically accept the card (if not, plug it into the
XP machine).
(2) Will the operating system (XP or W7) recognise the SCSI card? Once it is
plugged in then Device Manager should show it if it is recognised.
(3) Once you have a SCSI card which is recognised by the O/S you then need a
driver for the scanner attached via the SCSI card.

A quick google brings up
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1004&message=37970220
which should make interesting reading.

This suggests that the Canon YH9-0091 is an obsolete Adaptec card which is
supported by XP, can possibly be frigged to work with Vista, but is not
supported by W7.
If this turns out to be true then it looks as though the XP Pro machine is
your best option.
Alternatively you will need a more recent Adaptec card which is supported by
W7.

Once that is working, then you need to look at drivers for your scanner.

HTH

Dave R

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[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

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Michael J Davis

David WE Roberts said:
Bit of a jump there - the card fits into an XP Pro machine but you
haven't said that you have confirmed the card slot type and then
confirmed that your new (not yet bought?) W7 machine has the same card
slot type.

So you have three issues:
(1) Will the new W7 PC physically accept the card (if not, plug it into
the XP machine).
(2) Will the operating system (XP or W7) recognise the SCSI card? Once
it is plugged in then Device Manager should show it if it is
recognised.
(3) Once you have a SCSI card which is recognised by the O/S you then
need a driver for the scanner attached via the SCSI card.

A quick google brings up
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1004&message=37970220
which should make interesting reading.
Dave - that's brilliant!!

Thank you so much.

1. It shows there's hope
2. It tells me that I shouldn't waste my time with present card in W7
3. It tells me the card I should get. (at around $20 s/h, it's worth the
risk!!)
This suggests that the Canon YH9-0091 is an obsolete Adaptec card which
is supported by XP, can possibly be frigged to work with Vista, but is
not supported by W7.
If this turns out to be true then it looks as though the XP Pro machine
is your best option.
Alternatively you will need a more recent Adaptec card which is
supported by W7.

Once that is working, then you need to look at drivers for your scanner.
Yes, the thread to which you referred me included the offer of a driver
for the newer card. I'm following that up.

Now all I need is a Win 7 machine!!
It does, indeed! Thanks again!!

Mike
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Rob

Dave - that's brilliant!!

Thank you so much.

1. It shows there's hope
2. It tells me that I shouldn't waste my time with present card in W7
3. It tells me the card I should get. (at around $20 s/h, it's worth the
risk!!)


Yes, the thread to which you referred me included the offer of a driver
for the newer card. I'm following that up.

Now all I need is a Win 7 machine!!


It does, indeed! Thanks again!!

Mike

Just a suggestion when looking for a new machine W7 look for a MB which
has a SCSI port built onto the board. They are available.
 
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Michael J Davis

Rob said:
Just a suggestion when looking for a new machine W7 look for a MB which
has a SCSI port built onto the board. They are available.
Useful suggestion, thanks, Bob.

However there seems to be differences in drivers, for each SCSI
software, so having now got some software (thanks to the contact on the
dpr forum) that works, I think I'll stick to getting a board that it
works with. (In short I know when i'm out of my depth!!)

Thanks

Mike
 
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chrisprisca.turner

Does anyone have a SCSI scanner connected to an Adaptec card under Windows?



Just doing this, but not yet got it working.



First, at the start of boot time the Adaptec BIOS thingie cycles through the

SCSI IDs.

I don't see anything against SCSI 9 where the scanner is.

I used to on another system which had an external HDD.

Should I be seing something?

i.e. is the card not seeing the scanner?



Also, under Hardware Manager I can see the SCSI card but no sign of an

unknown SCSi device.

Should I see some device if there is a SCSI scanner which does not yet have

a driver installed?



Cheers



Dave R



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[Not even bunny]



Helmuth von Moltke the Elder



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With a bit of work you can implement this very intelligent solution and get your internal card recognized in Win 7/8:

http://www.colorneg.com/Vuescan/Adaptec-SCSI-controller/AHA-2940-etc/driver-for-64-Bit-Windows-7-and-8/



I am now running my very old Canon FS2710 using Hamrick's own scanner driver without a hitch!
 

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