Saying byebye to Vista...

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Adrian Marsh (NNTP)

Hi All,

I've finally decided to move back to XP. I'm a domain admin of an XP
network, and needed to test Vista to see if we should stick it out with
XP or start migrating to Vista.

After 2 months of working with Vista Business (and some beta work last
year), I can't see any great reason why I would move clients over (other
than long-term support view). Theres no new features in there that I can
see over XP Pro..

Personally, I've found Vista unstable. I have almost daily BSODs, even
though I've "vista signed" drivers. My biggest gripe is the network card
changes in Vista. When Vista does BSOD, the two main network cards in
my PC become firewalled with "Identifying.." permenantly as their status
until I manually disable/enable them. This makes my own PC unreachable
from the network. I've over 250 "faults" that the reporting system is
sending back to MS, but I don't see any fixes coming though for them..


Anyone else have the same conclusion?

A.
 
No like most users I suspect, I find Vista to be a very good
upgrade. It works like a champ.
I am skeptical when I read these bsods in vista. It signals to me
you are a major tweaker as no large OEM like dell hp is going to
send you a system that bsods. I built my own boxes with xp and
vista and never had a bsod. not once. 2 "main" network cards?
that's my first clue.
I doubt the typical user you support would have any such issues
with Vista.
 
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Hi All,

I've finally decided to move back to XP. I'm a domain admin of an XP
network, and needed to test Vista to see if we should stick it out with
XP or start migrating to Vista.

After 2 months of working with Vista Business (and some beta work last
year), I can't see any great reason why I would move clients over (other
than long-term support view). Theres no new features in there that I can
see over XP Pro..

Personally, I've found Vista unstable. I have almost daily BSODs, even
though I've "vista signed" drivers. My biggest gripe is the network card
changes in Vista. When Vista does BSOD, the two main network cards in
my PC become firewalled with "Identifying.." permenantly as their status
until I manually disable/enable them. This makes my own PC unreachable
from the network. I've over 250 "faults" that the reporting system is
sending back to MS, but I don't see any fixes coming though for them..


Anyone else have the same conclusion?

A.
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Nope. I just upgraded another of our computers to Vista, yesterday.

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Helpful report. Experience is the best teacher. I am only a few weeks into
Vista and find it not as stable as XP. But I remember XP had some teething
pains too. Hopefully all of us users can help get the bugs out.

Jim
 
Hi All,

I've finally decided to move back to XP. I'm a domain admin of an XP
network, and needed to test Vista to see if we should stick it out with
XP or start migrating to Vista.

After 2 months of working with Vista Business (and some beta work last
year), I can't see any great reason why I would move clients over (other
than long-term support view). Theres no new features in there that I can
see over XP Pro..

Personally, I've found Vista unstable. I have almost daily BSODs, even
though I've "vista signed" drivers. My biggest gripe is the network card
changes in Vista. When Vista does BSOD, the two main network cards in
my PC become firewalled with "Identifying.." permenantly as their status
until I manually disable/enable them. This makes my own PC unreachable
from the network. I've over 250 "faults" that the reporting system is
sending back to MS, but I don't see any fixes coming though for them..


Anyone else have the same conclusion?

A.
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Yes. I've been advising clients for some time to wait, at least, for SP1 -
I'll reevaluate when it's delivered.
 
No like most users I suspect, I find Vista to be a very good
upgrade. It works like a champ.
I am skeptical when I read these bsods in vista. It signals to me
you are a major tweaker as no large OEM like dell hp is going to
send you a system that bsods. I built my own boxes with xp and
vista and never had a bsod. not once. 2 "main" network cards?
that's my first clue.
Click to expand...

So vista is not designed to handle 2 network cards? That seems like a very
reasonable thing to me.
 
ray said:
So vista is not designed to handle 2 network cards? That seems like a very
reasonable thing to me.
Click to expand...

Really? Well that's not true cause I can run Vista as a router using two
nic's and enabling Internet sharing.
Frank
 
Adrian said:
Hi All,

I've finally decided to move back to XP. I'm a domain admin of an XP
network, and needed to test Vista to see if we should stick it out with
XP or start migrating to Vista.

After 2 months of working with Vista Business (and some beta work last
year), I can't see any great reason why I would move clients over (other
than long-term support view). Theres no new features in there that I can
see over XP Pro..

Personally, I've found Vista unstable. I have almost daily BSODs, even
though I've "vista signed" drivers. My biggest gripe is the network card
changes in Vista. When Vista does BSOD, the two main network cards in
my PC become firewalled with "Identifying.." permenantly as their status
until I manually disable/enable them. This makes my own PC unreachable
from the network. I've over 250 "faults" that the reporting system is
sending back to MS, but I don't see any fixes coming though for them..


Anyone else have the same conclusion?

A.
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Yes, wait until at least after SP1 for Vista and the Logo program gets
straightened out (but I'm not holding my breath). While waiting, you
may consider to try a linux live cd of your choice.

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"It would be nice if there was a check to see if you were running an
activated/validated version of Windows before you were allowed to post
in any
of these news groups. If you're not activated/validated your post
automatically gets deleted.
That would get rid of the Linsux Luzzzzzzzzers once and for all."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot
 
Adrian said:
After 2 months of working with Vista Business (and some beta work last
year), I can't see any great reason why I would move clients over (other
than long-term support view). Theres no new features in there that I can
see over XP Pro..
Click to expand...

As a general rule you dont move clients over to a new MS OS until at
least version2 is out.
 
Adrian Marsh (NNTP) said:
Hi All,

I've finally decided to move back to XP. I'm a domain admin of an XP
network, and needed to test Vista to see if we should stick it out with
XP or start migrating to Vista.

After 2 months of working with Vista Business (and some beta work last
year), I can't see any great reason why I would move clients over (other
than long-term support view). Theres no new features in there that I can
see over XP Pro..

Personally, I've found Vista unstable. I have almost daily BSODs, even
though I've "vista signed" drivers. My biggest gripe is the network card
changes in Vista. When Vista does BSOD, the two main network cards in
my PC become firewalled with "Identifying.." permenantly as their status
until I manually disable/enable them. This makes my own PC unreachable
from the network. I've over 250 "faults" that the reporting system is
sending back to MS, but I don't see any fixes coming though for them..


Anyone else have the same conclusion?

A.
Click to expand...

No, actually, I find Vista very stable in fact, I have not seen a BSOD since
I got rid of XP/MCE That DID BSOD on a regular basis.
I have seen a 10 to 15 second REDUCTION in my startup/shutdown times and a
70 to 90 % reduction in the time my programs take to open.

Maybe I am lucky, maybe I am one of the millions who are NOT having problems
with Vista compared to the hundreds who post here.
BTW I am NOT running 64 bit so I don't have much in the way of driver
problems and I do not have a Asus (sp?) main board or a Nvidia video card.

I do remember though when XP first came out it was nothing but driver
problem after driver problem and people refusing to support it (including
MSN, who told me it was not compatible with XP), I had to buy a new scanner,
printer, DSL modem & several software programs.

For Vista, I did replace my A/V software & Paperport for Vista versions but
I am running some older software without problem including Word Perfect 9, I
do want to obtain some basic cd burning software, I had Nero but really
don't want to pay for a bunch of features I will never use.

As far as activation goes, have you bought any software from Nuance lately?
try looking at the activation requirements for Paperport or PDF converter
Nuance required my to send them a copy of my reciept, a copy of the disc &
my I.D. before they would let me move PDF converter from the old (broken)
computer to the new one.
 
Justbob30 said:
As far as activation goes, have you bought any software from Nuance
lately? try looking at the activation requirements for Paperport or PDF
converter Nuance required my to send them a copy of my reciept, a copy
of the disc & my I.D. before they would let me move PDF converter from
the old (broken) computer to the new one.
Click to expand...

The next thing they will want to know is when the last time was that you
took a dump.

Alias
 
Really? Well that's not true cause I can run Vista as a router using two
nic's and enabling Internet sharing.
Frank
Click to expand...

The previous reply seemed to indicate that vista could not handle that and
should not be expected to.
 
Adrian said:
Hi All,

I've finally decided to move back to XP. I'm a domain admin of an XP
network, and needed to test Vista to see if we should stick it out with
XP or start migrating to Vista.

After 2 months of working with Vista Business (and some beta work last
year), I can't see any great reason why I would move clients over (other
than long-term support view). Theres no new features in there that I can
see over XP Pro..

Personally, I've found Vista unstable. I have almost daily BSODs, even
though I've "vista signed" drivers. My biggest gripe is the network card
changes in Vista. When Vista does BSOD, the two main network cards in
my PC become firewalled with "Identifying.." permenantly as their status
until I manually disable/enable them. This makes my own PC unreachable
from the network. I've over 250 "faults" that the reporting system is
sending back to MS, but I don't see any fixes coming though for them..


Anyone else have the same conclusion?
Click to expand...
Nope. Moving back to XP is moving back to what is now an ancient operating
system. Move on up to Ubuntu and run a modern operating system that works.
You'll discover stability, security, configurability and 20,000 free
software packages to boot.

http://www.ubuntu.com

Download the 7.04 LiveCD iso. Burn the image to a CD. Boot you're computer
with it and then at the desktop, click the Install icon. Simple. Anyone can
do it, except for Dr. Frank, but that's another long story.

Love and Kisses,
Doris
 
Justbob30 said:
As far as activation goes, have you bought any software from Nuance
lately? try looking at the activation requirements for Paperport or PDF
converter Nuance required my to send them a copy of my reciept, a copy of
the disc & my I.D. before they would let me move PDF converter from the
old (broken) computer to the new one.
Click to expand...

Chalk that one up to the list of companies I will never buy software from.

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Vista can certainly handle two network cards. In fact, my main Vista box has
two network cards and a wireless NIC. I'm guessing what the previous poster
meant was just that having two network cards indicated that the person was
not running a stock Dell PC, but had tweaked it.

I've had Vista running on a lot of machines since early beta stages and have
yet to see a BSOD. I'm using it in production now and it's been as reliable
as XP. The first thing I think of when I hear multiple BSOD issues is a
hardware problem, not a Vista problem.

- Walter
- http://www.walterglenn.com
 
Doris said:
Nope. Moving back to XP is moving back to what is now an ancient operating
system. Move on up to Ubuntu and run a modern operating system that works.
You'll discover stability, security, configurability and 20,000 free
software packages to boot.

http://www.ubuntu.com

Download the 7.04 LiveCD iso. Burn the image to a CD. Boot you're computer
with it and then at the desktop, click the Install icon. Simple. Anyone can
do it, except for Dr. Frank, but that's another long story.

Love and Kisses,
Doris
Click to expand...

Justin can't do it either.

Alias
 
Doris said:
Nope. Moving back to XP is moving back to what is now an ancient operating
system. Move on up to Ubuntu and run a modern operating system that works.
You'll discover stability, security, configurability and 20,000 free
software packages to boot.

http://www.ubuntu.com

Download the 7.04 LiveCD iso. Burn the image to a CD. Boot you're computer
with it and then at the desktop, click the Install icon. Simple. Anyone can
do it, except for Dr. Frank, but that's another long story.

Love and Kisses,
Doris
Click to expand...
I have dual booted XP / Ubuntu for several years on a desktop. I just
bought an HP Pavilion laptop with Vista. Didn't want Vista, but all the
laptops were preloaded with it. Can I dual boot on the laptop? Will
Ubuntu recognize the laptop specific functions?

Avraham
 
Thanks to everyone for the replies.. Seems to be a slightly mixed bag of
responses, though in favour of keeping vista.

The machine is a Dell, but Vista wasn't around when I bought it, so in a
way it is a "custom" build. But straight from the Vista Business DVD,
and has 99% the original Dell parts internally with one extra NIC. I
would certainly classify myself as a power-user.. but then most of my
end-users are Telco engineers rather than managers and secretaries..

Attached externally is a Wifi USB card, and a Logitech Quickcam. The
Wifi card is normally disabled (used to debug our wifi lan). Normal dell
K+M too, and a USB stick.

The two NICS are connected to seperate networks that I need to manage
(data and voice). Its a relatively simple setup. DHCP runs on both
networks, but I've tried DHCP from both, static settings and routes on
both, DHCP on one;static on the other.

I work remotely quite a bit, so remote access to the machine after
reboot is essential (RDP). However, as the PC boots up, I log in using
cached creds. and look at the networks, I see that both NICs are up and
have their IPs, but it seems that the Firewall is blocking anything
more. One the Networking view, I see Vista repeatedly trying to
identify the two networks. Gives up, then puts them into "Public", then
a few seconds later starts again. Meanwhile I can do nothing. If I
simply disable/enable each adaptor, they come alive again as expected.

I'm actually disconnected from the PC again now, working from home, and
I bet when I get into the office on Monday I'll find its rebooted after
xyz crash and I can no longer access it remotely.

The most frequent BSOD I have originates from ndis.sys, which I think is
a core component file of Vista (?), rather than any one NIC supplier.

The first BSOD I had, and to this day still see application crashes of
is the Logitech camera. When I can RDP into Vista, a driver for the
camera immediately crashes.

If I could sort out the NIC issues, then I'd probably keep Vista on
there, but as it is today I can't do a lot as an admin if I can't access
my own PC with management apps.

I think I agree with some of the people here, in that we'll wait for SP1
before looking at it again.

Ta,

Adrian.
 
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