Running Dual Boot with 98SE and XP Pro SP1

[Ron]

I have a dual boot system on an Abit BD7II-R with 98SE on an old Seagate
ATA33 HDD on Primary IDE 1 Master and a Lite-On CD-RW Primary Slave.
Secondary IDE 2 Master is a LG GSA-4040B DVD-RAM with NO slave. My WinXP Pro
is on Primary IDE 3 & 4 as a RAID array. Now, this mobo has IDE 3 & 4 as
ATA133/RAID capable. But IDE 1 & 2 are spec'd as ATA100 capable. The problem
is that my GSA-4040B is spec'd as capable of running at UDMA66. However, IAA
always shows it running as UDMA33. I've tried all combinations or slave and
master with my DVDs and CD drives( I also have a Pioneer A05 running
currently as a USB device). One wierd thing is that my Advanced Settings tab
for my Primary and Secondary IDE channels tab is missing, so I can't fool
around with manually setting the UDMA or PIO modes within Windows. My BIOS
settings only allow Auto and Disabled for UDMA modes but allow PIO modes to
be set manually from 0 through 4 so I can't manually select UDMA 4 there
either. I'm thinking that the old Seagate ATA33 HDD on Primary IDE 1 is
lowering the UDMA mode for everything else to a maximum of UDMA 2. Does this
sound logical? If so, I also have a WD 80GB 8MB buffer 7200rpm HDD on a FW
port. I was thinking I could exchange that with the old seagate as I'm sure
the WD is ATA100 and this should allow my 4040B to run at its' spec'd
value(ATA66). I'd like to test this theory first by disabling the Seagate
with 98SE on it and boot into XP to see if the 4040B is running at ata66. My
question is, will I run into trouble with the Boot.ini, if I merely pull the
controller cable to the Seagate out of the mobo(with the power off, of
course). Will the system automatically boot into the remaining XP partition
by itself even though it expects to see a multi-disk partition? Or will I
have to reinstall the entire dual boot setup with installing 98SE first and
XP second, if I make this hard drive switch? Does any of this make sense?
TIA,

Ron

 

[TomG]

what I would try before you go moving cables around is to delete the IDE
controller from the device manager, reboot and then allow it to be
redetected and see if you don't get the tabs on the device dialog.

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[Folkert Rienstra]

I have a dual boot system on an Abit BD7II-R with 98SE on an old Seagate
ATA33 HDD on Primary IDE 1 Master and a Lite-On CD-RW Primary Slave.

Secondary IDE 2 Master is a LG GSA-4040B DVD-RAM with NO slave.

My WinXP Pro
is on Primary IDE 3 & 4 as a RAID array. Now, this mobo has IDE 3 & 4
as ATA133/RAID capable. But IDE 1 & 2 are spec'd as ATA100 capable.

The problem
Problem?

is that my GSA-4040B is spec'd as capable of running at UDMA66.
However, IAA always shows it running as UDMA33.

Since it is alone on it's own channel that isn't really a problem.
Any UDMA66 drive does less than or close to 30MB/s.

I've tried all combinations or slave and
master with my DVDs and CD drives( I also have a Pioneer A05 running
currently as a USB device). One wierd thing is that my Advanced Settings tab
for my Primary and Secondary IDE channels tab is missing, so I can't fool
around with manually setting the UDMA or PIO modes within Windows. My BIOS
settings only allow Auto and Disabled for UDMA modes but allow PIO modes to
be set manually from 0 through 4 so I can't manually select UDMA 4 there
either. I'm thinking that the old Seagate ATA33 HDD on Primary IDE 1 is
lowering the UDMA mode for everything else to a maximum of UDMA 2.

Does this sound logical?

No, not at all.

 

[Ron]

what I would try before you go moving cables around is to delete the IDE
controller from the device manager, reboot and then allow it to be
redetected and see if you don't get the tabs on the device dialog.

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Nope, I tried that before and just tried it now. No Advanced Settings tab
under IDE channels. I think it has something to do with the SP1. I had it
before that update. But what do you think about the removal of the 98SE
system HDD cable and allow WinXP boot by default? Will it choke if it
doesn't see the other OS there? Thanks for response, Tom.

Ron

 

[TomG]

well, it should not have anything to do with SP1 because I am running SP1a
and I have the Advanced tabs. have you tried booting into safe mode and
looking for more than one occurrence of the IDE controllers? did you delete
ide 1 & 2 and the master controller entry as well?

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[Ron]

Since it is alone on it's own channel that isn't really a problem.
Any UDMA66 drive does less than or close to 30MB/s.



No, not at all.

How can I clarify it for you? What, specifically, seems wrong? Otherwise,
you're not helping. I admit, I'm not a tech, but perhaps you can elaborate.

 

[Ron]

well, it should not have anything to do with SP1 because I am running SP1a
and I have the Advanced tabs. have you tried booting into safe mode and
looking for more than one occurrence of the IDE controllers? did you delete
ide 1 & 2 and the master controller entry as well?

Yeah, I uninstalled all three entries and under Safe mode. But still there
was no tab. But, what did work, was uninstalling IAA 2.3. I got my Advanced
Settings tab back but cannot change the UDMA mode. Weird, if I uninstalled
IAA, how come it still reports my IDE controllers as Ultra DMA? I thought
IAA was what enables the ATA100. I guess maybe it just means that it can
only go as high as UDMA 2 now. Do you still have the IAA 2.2 on your FTP?
Maybe I should try that.

Ron

 

[Ron]

Yeah, I uninstalled all three entries and under Safe mode. But still there
was no tab. But, what did work, was uninstalling IAA 2.3. I got my Advanced
Settings tab back but cannot change the UDMA mode. Weird, if I uninstalled
IAA, how come it still reports my IDE controllers as Ultra DMA? I thought
IAA was what enables the ATA100. I guess maybe it just means that it can
only go as high as UDMA 2 now. Do you still have the IAA 2.2 on your FTP?
Maybe I should try that.

Ron

Well, no luck with IAA 2.22. I installed that and again, I lost the tab. So,
I'm at a loss.

 

[TomG]

I forgot that you should be making those adjustments in the IAA... at least,
that was the case back when I ran that on my non-raid controller. there are
methods to make the UDMA mode adjustment in the IAA but it sounds like
something else is preventing your device from running in that mode. not
sure you would benefit from all of this energy you are expending for an
optical device.

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[TomG]

look for the adjustments in IAA.

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[TomG]

he is trying to say that you are fretting about something that might not
really be a problem.

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[Folkert Rienstra]

How can I clarify it for you?

Actually, that is my question but you just made it clear that it is a pointless one.

What, specifically, seems wrong?

(Again, that was my question).

That you want to clear-up a problem that will bring you nothing, as it
isn't really a practical problem.

Otherwise, you're not helping.

I admit, I'm not a tech, but perhaps you can elaborate.

What is there not to understand in:

"Since it is alone on it's own channel that isn't really a problem.
Any UDMA66 drive does less than or close to 30MB/s."

So it runs at full speed anyway.
Having it at U-ATA66 won't make it run any faster.

 

[chrisv]

he is trying to say that you are fretting about something that might not
really be a problem.

Nice top post! 104 lines for that.

 

[Colon Terminus]

Hi Ron,

Gotta ask. You do have it connected to an 80 wire cable, don't you?

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

I forgot that you should be making those adjustments in the IAA... at least,
that was the case back when I ran that on my non-raid controller. there
are methods to make the UDMA mode adjustment in the IAA but it sounds
like something else is preventing your device from running in that mode.

not sure you would benefit from all of this energy you are expending for
an optical device.

Doesn't matter that it is an optical device. Any device won't run faster
than half their (highest) interface speed. That's an ATA thing, 2 devices
being able to be used simultanously on same channel without any slowdowns.
So for a single device per channel, the channel can be half the interface
rate of the device.

 

[TomG]

and your post was an equal waste of bandwidth given it for no other reason
except to be a bitch.

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[Ron]

Hi Ron,

Gotta ask. You do have it connected to an 80 wire cable, don't you?

Yes

 

[Ron]

Actually, that is my question but you just made it clear that it is a pointless one.


(Again, that was my question).

That you want to clear-up a problem that will bring you nothing, as it
isn't really a practical problem.



What is there not to understand in:

"Since it is alone on it's own channel that isn't really a problem.
Any UDMA66 drive does less than or close to 30MB/s."

So it runs at full speed anyway.
Having it at U-ATA66 won't make it run any faster.

The point is, I want what I paid for regardless of how much faster or not it
is. It is advertised as an ATA66 device, and damn it I should receive as
advertised. The BIOS doesn't even report the device as a UDMA66 at all.
Regardless of what the percieved benefits are, I'm sick and tired of false
advertising. Furthermore, it may be the case that there is absolutely
nothing wrong with the drive and it is my system settings that are at fault.
If making this unit operate at specs helps me to clear up a problem with my
settings, then that's good too. If you can't help me with what I'm trying to
accomplish, please refrain from noise-making. Thank you.

Ron

 

[TomG]

did you check to see if you can affect the settings at all from within the
IAA app?

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[Folkert Rienstra]

I am quite sure that the Highpoint controller (ide 3 & 4) is not interfering
with ide 1 & 2 WRT UDMA modes. If the IAA says no limit, that is the same
as setting the Advanced tab in device manager to UDMA Mode 5 if available.

if the IAA says that your drive supports UDMA modes 0-1-2 then that is
saying that when the device is interrogated, it tells the IAA what it is
capable of and that is it.

UDMA mode 4 isn't in the list and neither is UDMA
mode 3 (ATA33) so that sort of speaks for itself.

It does? Try again.

I'd say the device is not capable of doing ATA66.

Well, *that* at least is what it *does* say.

now, I have seen optical devices that have a jumper that it required to
be set to enable higher UDMA modes so you might want to check for that...

Yes, but that was for UDMA as opposed to MW-DMA.