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kurttrail

Leythos said:
Bush didn't lie to anyone you dufus - his intel was provided TOO HIM. He
only repeated the information that all of the advisors provided to him.
You can't really think that he made it all up and then convinced the
military and others of something that was just in his head?

He had the intel that he wanted to hear delivered to him. It is quite
obvious that intel that didn't support going to war with Iraq was
deliberately suppressed, so it never got to Bush, in order to give him
Plausible Deniability. It is quite clear that the Pentagon's Office of
Special Plans main purpose was to filter Iraqi intelligence to the White
House that the White House wanted to hear.

Add to that the Downing Street Memo, and you see that the Bush
Administration decided long beforehand to invade Iraq and was just looking
for ways to sell it!

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kurttrail

Leythos said:
@anywhereintheknownuniverse.us>,
(e-mail address removed) says...

Any you are more protected from ANY of their actions than you were before
they were taken into custody, but I would have expected you to already
know that.

LOL! I don't know that. If they escaped from custody a half a world
away, they'd still have that half of a world to cross to get to me. If
they escape from custody at GITMO, they'd have but 300 miles between them
and me.

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David Candy

And don't forget the trucks that went from the US to Canada during the war. What is bush hiding in Canada.
 
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kurttrail

wrote:
And don't forget the trucks that went from the US to Canada during the
war. What is bush hiding in Canada.

His Daughters! He didn't want them signing up to join the military in a
drunken binge!

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David Candy

I see. He didn't want questions on why they signed up but didn't actually attend. Like father, like daughter. I wonder where they get their abortions?
 
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miss information

Before President Bush was elected Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore,
Tom Dashell, John Kerry, Dianne Feinstein and other Democrats made public
speeches saying the US needs to take out Saddam Hussein because of WMD's. It
is a fact that he gassed and killed thousands of his own people using a WMD.
Why don't you accuse the Democrats of lying to the American public?
MI
 
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kurttrail

miss said:
Before President Bush was elected Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore,
Tom Dashell, John Kerry, Dianne Feinstein and other Democrats made public
speeches saying the US needs to take out Saddam Hussein because of WMD's.

Quote them saying exactly that. Give links with dates of statements
quote.
It is a fact that he gassed and killed thousands of his own people using a
WMD.

Actually there is some debate over it, but even so, that happened before
the First Iraqi War. GWB's daddy didn't do nothing about it then! And at
the time the Saddam is supposed to have gassed the Kurds, he was being
supported by the US.
Why don't you accuse the Democrats of lying to the American public?

Clinton lied about spilling his seed on a Blue Dress. Bush misled us into
a War that had nothing to do with 911.

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kurttrail

David said:
I see. He didn't want questions on why they signed up but didn't
actually attend. Like father, like daughter. I wonder where they get
their abortions?

Grandma Barbara.

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NoNoBadDog!

kurttrail said:
Grandma Barbara.

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There is one glaring question that has not been addressed or being
discussed...

11 of the 15 hijackers from 9-11 were Saudi or held Saudi citizenship.
Osama Bin Laden is a Saudi, although he is apparently no longer welcomed by
his family. It appears that the training of the 9-11 terrorists was
financed in the most part by Saudi Arabian interests. Why have we not
retaliated against Saudi Arabia?

The answer is a three letter word....

Bobby
 
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kurttrail

NoNoBadDog! said:
There is one glaring question that has not been addressed or being
discussed...

11 of the 15 hijackers from 9-11 were Saudi or held Saudi citizenship.
Osama Bin Laden is a Saudi, although he is apparently no longer
welcomed by his family. It appears that the training of the 9-11
terrorists was financed in the most part by Saudi Arabian interests.
Why have we not retaliated against Saudi Arabia?

The answer is a three letter word....

Hell, I'm just glad Jeb is the Gov of Florida, otherwise GWB might have
wanted to retaliated against Florida! Not only did we train the
terrorists to fly, but we have untouched Gulf Coast oil reserves too!

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Leythos

Before President Bush was elected Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore,
Tom Dashell, John Kerry, Dianne Feinstein and other Democrats made public
speeches saying the US needs to take out Saddam Hussein because of WMD's. It
is a fact that he gassed and killed thousands of his own people using a WMD.
Why don't you accuse the Democrats of lying to the American public?
MI

You need to learn to quote better, I never accused anyone of lying -
your quoting of my message, in the manner you did, calls my post into
question.
 
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kurttrail

Leythos said:
You need to learn to quote better, I never accused anyone of lying -
your quoting of my message, in the manner you did, calls my post into
question.

And I thought it was my reply that called you post into question!

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kurttrail

Paul said:
I'm wondering whether this is compatable with windows XP

Sure. Even lying politicians, (redundant?) use Windows XP.

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Gerhard Fiedler

I knew you all could do it if you just kept piling on the BS. Do what you
ask? Get this thread over 200 replies, that's what. Now that's
something to be proud of, eh?

One thing I like about usenet is that I can choose which threads I read and
which I don't read.

If you think that would be something good for you, too, I'd be happy to
show you how to /not/ read a thread that doesn't interest you.

Gerhard
 
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Gerhard Fiedler

So, it comes down to this - you don't reason with them?

Yes. You can't force people to reason with you. That's pretty much a fact.
Some may want to, and with those you can. Some won't, and with them you
can't.
What do you do with a group of people (terrorists/religious zealots) that
only live to see you killed? How do you ignore them while they are
entering your home to kill you?

You don't ignore them, of course.

One of the problems that is going on is that they had been ignored while
they "entered your home" (I assume you meant the USA with "your home" and
you meant 911 when talking about "entering your home"). In part to
compensate for that, the administration is now trying to show hectic
activity, invading two countries and killing many people completely
unrelated to anything remotely connected to "entering your home".

This doesn't help anything, or prevent anything. The whole story about the
Afghanistan and Iraq wars being related to 911 is pretty strange.
Afghanistan in a way was still reasonable -- if catching OBL and destroying
Al Qaida had been the purpose of it. But the administration stopped short
of reaching that goal, and went on to another country, forgetting pretty
much about OBL and Al Qaida. At that point, things became really strange.
There is of course ample evidence that Saddam is not a nice person; there
is also ample evidence that the regime he lead, especially while supported
with military aid by GWB's father and Rumsfeld, was nothing I would want
for me; but there is really no useful evidence that he was a threat to
anybody but /maybe/ his immediate neighbors at the time of the invasion.
Definitely not to the USA or to the UK.

There is no good evidence that the Iraq war had anything to do with war
against terrorism. And, of course, there is no good evidence that war
against terrorism makes any sense at all. The "war against terrorism" is
just like the "war against drugs" a propaganda creation. These are not
wars, these are events to gather votes. Neither is a war and neither can be
won by running a war. (The war in Iraq, OTOH, was a war. But it wasn't
against terrorism; it was a war to unseat a dictator, for reasons we can
only speculate about -- like anything political.)


How did we get rid of terrorism on a smaller level, a few hundred years
ago, in most countries? By bringing the rule of law to the level of a
country, we got rid of the arbitrariness and terrorism of individual counts
and local bully bosses. That's exactly the way to bring an end to
international terrorism: bringing the rule of law, due process and what's
related to that, to the international sphere. Of course that would mean to
give up some of the illusion of "national sovereignty"; but how "sovereign"
can you be in a world where one suitcase bomb can bring down or seriously
hurt a country? (Think bio ...) Unluckily, the US government missed the
biggest opportunity any country had in my lifetime to become a worldwide
leader and further the cause of global rule of law. And with things going
as they are going now, I don't think such an opportunity comes along again
anytime soon, not for the US, not for anybody else.

And before anyone thinks of bashing the UN, think about the fact that this
institution (with all its defects) was mostly created by the USA... :) One
failed attempt is also not really a good argument against the principle.

Gerhard
 
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Scott

Yes. You can't force people to reason with you. That's pretty much a fact.
Some may want to, and with those you can. Some won't, and with them you
can't.


You don't ignore them, of course.

One of the problems that is going on is that they had been ignored while
they "entered your home" (I assume you meant the USA with "your home" and
you meant 911 when talking about "entering your home"). In part to
compensate for that, the administration is now trying to show hectic
activity, invading two countries and killing many people completely
unrelated to anything remotely connected to "entering your home".

This doesn't help anything, or prevent anything. The whole story about the
Afghanistan and Iraq wars being related to 911 is pretty strange.
Afghanistan in a way was still reasonable -- if catching OBL and destroying
Al Qaida had been the purpose of it. But the administration stopped short
of reaching that goal, and went on to another country, forgetting pretty
much about OBL and Al Qaida. At that point, things became really strange.
There is of course ample evidence that Saddam is not a nice person; there
is also ample evidence that the regime he lead, especially while supported
with military aid by GWB's father and Rumsfeld, was nothing I would want
for me; but there is really no useful evidence that he was a threat to
anybody but /maybe/ his immediate neighbors at the time of the invasion.
Definitely not to the USA or to the UK.

There is no good evidence that the Iraq war had anything to do with war
against terrorism. And, of course, there is no good evidence that war
against terrorism makes any sense at all. The "war against terrorism" is
just like the "war against drugs" a propaganda creation. These are not
wars, these are events to gather votes. Neither is a war and neither can be
won by running a war. (The war in Iraq, OTOH, was a war. But it wasn't
against terrorism; it was a war to unseat a dictator, for reasons we can
only speculate about -- like anything political.)


How did we get rid of terrorism on a smaller level, a few hundred years
ago, in most countries? By bringing the rule of law to the level of a
country, we got rid of the arbitrariness and terrorism of individual counts
and local bully bosses. That's exactly the way to bring an end to
international terrorism: bringing the rule of law, due process and what's
related to that, to the international sphere. Of course that would mean to
give up some of the illusion of "national sovereignty"; but how "sovereign"
can you be in a world where one suitcase bomb can bring down or seriously
hurt a country? (Think bio ...) Unluckily, the US government missed the
biggest opportunity any country had in my lifetime to become a worldwide
leader and further the cause of global rule of law. And with things going
as they are going now, I don't think such an opportunity comes along again
anytime soon, not for the US, not for anybody else.

And before anyone thinks of bashing the UN, think about the fact that this
institution (with all its defects) was mostly created by the USA... :) One
failed attempt is also not really a good argument against the principle.

Gerhard
 
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kurttrail

Scott wrote:

"(how long can this stupid thread go on"

For as long as people keep on reponding to it.

This still ain't a long thread.

So should the Jackson Jury be sent to GITMO?

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