Replication sbs 2000 - 4.5

[Fawke101]

Hi there,

I am quite new to the concept of Active Directory replication having really
only managed Small Businesses with 1 server.

We have a customer with 2 sbs servers (on different domains of course) - 1
2000 and 1 4.5.

I would ideally like to somehow "link" the two so when a user is added to AD
in 2000 it replicates to the sbs 4.5 server also.
I have no idea if this is possible and no idea how to do this if it is
possible......

Any websites, info , ideas would be much appreciated.
Forgive for seeming nieve to the subject, ias i said i am new to the
concept.

Thanks

Guy

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[Marina Roos [SBS-MVP]]

You can't have 2 SBS in one network, so no, you can't replicate.

 

[Fawke101]

I was aware that you could not have 2 SBS in one domain, however 2 in one
network i was not....
Could you elaborate? is this a legal or techinical note?

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[Marina Roos [SBS-MVP]]

Legal and technical. If one SBS sees another, it will shut down.

 

[Fawke101]

hmmm, we have one sbs2000 and one sbs4.5 that can "see" each other, and have
on numerous occasions "spoken" to each other - including mapping network
drives for backup purposes.

I realise there are legal issues, this is why we only have 1 in operation
and when the other is operational (for backup purposes), is on a different
domain. However for backup and disaster recovery (perfectly legal, as both
are legitamate copies) i would like to know how to replicate AD from one to
the other.

Being a SBS MVP yourself, i was wondering if you could point to a document
to clear this up a little for me? Surely MS have a document that address the
above issues? (IE setting up a SBS on 2 different domains)
I was told by MS Support staff that 2 domains is perfectly legal and
technically possible to communicate. The problem being that if you wanted 42
sbs servers, you would have 42 PDCs on 42 different domains, which i can
see?

I am now a little confused.....

Thanks

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[Marina Roos [SBS-MVP]]

You cannot have 2 sbs's in one wired network Period. Please go to the ms
site yourself, you might want to start here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/default.mspx
You can have additional domaincontrollers, as long as they are setup with a
plain copy of w2k3-server or w2k-server.

 

[Fawke101]

Ok well due to me being blind or the lack of information about how many SBS
servers you can have on a wired network, i cannot find anything in the
location you gave.
Somebody is miss-informed, either the guy from MS in the USA or youself, as
i nearly bought a sbs2003 server to sit on a seperate domain.....

Thanks for...... um ...... enlightening me?


Kind Regards


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[Marina Roos [SBS-MVP]]

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/techinfo/overview/generalfaq.mspx
question 119

 

[Mike]

Interesting that there are two 'question 119' entries on this page - one is
question 19 in section one, the other is question 9 in section 11. No wonder
we get confused.

Mike.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/techinfo/overview/generalfaq.mspx
question 119

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Marina
Microsoft SBS-MVP

Ok well due to me being blind or the lack of information about how many SBS
servers you can have on a wired network, i cannot find anything in the
location you gave.
Somebody is miss-informed, either the guy from MS in the USA or youself, as
i nearly bought a sbs2003 server to sit on a seperate domain.....

Thanks for...... um ...... enlightening me?


Kind Regards


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Thanks in advance

Fawke

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www.bradflack.com

You cannot have 2 sbs's in one wired network Period. Please go to the ms
site yourself, you might want to start here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/default.mspx
You can have additional domaincontrollers, as long as they are setup

with

a
plain copy of w2k3-server or w2k-server.


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Regards,

Marina
Microsoft SBS-MVP

"Fawke101" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
hmmm, we have one sbs2000 and one sbs4.5 that can "see" each other, and
have
on numerous occasions "spoken" to each other - including mapping network
drives for backup purposes.

I realise there are legal issues, this is why we only have 1 in operation
and when the other is operational (for backup purposes), is on a different
domain. However for backup and disaster recovery (perfectly legal,

as
both

are legitamate copies) i would like to know how to replicate AD from one
to
the other.

Being a SBS MVP yourself, i was wondering if you could point to a document
to clear this up a little for me? Surely MS have a document that address
the
above issues? (IE setting up a SBS on 2 different domains)
I was told by MS Support staff that 2 domains is perfectly legal and
technically possible to communicate. The problem being that if you wanted
42
sbs servers, you would have 42 PDCs on 42 different domains, which i can
see?

I am now a little confused.....

Thanks

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Fawke

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message
Legal and technical. If one SBS sees another, it will shut down.

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Regards,

Marina
Microsoft SBS-MVP

"Fawke101" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
I was aware that you could not have 2 SBS in one domain, however

2
in

 

[Mike]

Even finding the right question 119 still doesn't address the issue or
confirm that you can only have one SBS server on a LAN - only that you are
limited to one in a domain. There does seem to be a compulsion for many of
these MS Licensing documents and FAQs to be written in obscure language that
assumes a level of knowledge that we don't all have and is often open to
misinterpretation. In my opinion, of course.

Mike.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/techinfo/overview/generalfaq.mspx
question 119

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Regards,

Marina
Microsoft SBS-MVP

Ok well due to me being blind or the lack of information about how many SBS
servers you can have on a wired network, i cannot find anything in the
location you gave.
Somebody is miss-informed, either the guy from MS in the USA or youself, as
i nearly bought a sbs2003 server to sit on a seperate domain.....

Thanks for...... um ...... enlightening me?


Kind Regards


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Thanks in advance

Fawke

Please remove ANTI and SPAM
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www.bradflack.com

You cannot have 2 sbs's in one wired network Period. Please go to the ms
site yourself, you might want to start here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/default.mspx
You can have additional domaincontrollers, as long as they are setup

with

a
plain copy of w2k3-server or w2k-server.


--
Regards,

Marina
Microsoft SBS-MVP

"Fawke101" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
hmmm, we have one sbs2000 and one sbs4.5 that can "see" each other, and
have
on numerous occasions "spoken" to each other - including mapping network
drives for backup purposes.

I realise there are legal issues, this is why we only have 1 in operation
and when the other is operational (for backup purposes), is on a different
domain. However for backup and disaster recovery (perfectly legal,

as
both

are legitamate copies) i would like to know how to replicate AD from one
to
the other.

Being a SBS MVP yourself, i was wondering if you could point to a document
to clear this up a little for me? Surely MS have a document that address
the
above issues? (IE setting up a SBS on 2 different domains)
I was told by MS Support staff that 2 domains is perfectly legal and
technically possible to communicate. The problem being that if you wanted
42
sbs servers, you would have 42 PDCs on 42 different domains, which i can
see?

I am now a little confused.....

Thanks

--
Thanks in advance

Fawke

Please remove ANTI and SPAM
from my email address before emailing me.


message
Legal and technical. If one SBS sees another, it will shut down.

--
Regards,

Marina
Microsoft SBS-MVP

"Fawke101" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
I was aware that you could not have 2 SBS in one domain, however

2
in

 

[Fawke101]

I quite agree with Mike, and as i already said - i have already established
we cannot have 2 in one domain....
Marina mentioned we could not have 2 in 1 Wired network - presumably a
LAN.........

And the statement that if 1 see's another they shut down is complete
nonsense.... im my experience.....

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Fawke

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www.bradflack.com

Even finding the right question 119 still doesn't address the issue or
confirm that you can only have one SBS server on a LAN - only that you are
limited to one in a domain. There does seem to be a compulsion for many of
these MS Licensing documents and FAQs to be written in obscure language that
assumes a level of knowledge that we don't all have and is often open to
misinterpretation. In my opinion, of course.

Mike.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/techinfo/overview/generalfaq.mspx

question 119

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Regards,

Marina
Microsoft SBS-MVP

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[Fawke101]

Website Windows 2003 sbs - question 119 - see link in Marina's post

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"There can be only one Windows Small Business Server 2003 server in a
domain. Each Windows Small Business Server 2003 server is typically
connected to the Internet either directly, or via a firewall. Windows Small
Business Server 2003 does not support trusts between domains; therefore,
user names and resources could not be shared between those Windows Small
Business Server 2003 servers. Further, Windows Small Business Server 2003
installs at the root of the Active Directory forest, and it cannot be
demoted, or have the flexible single-master operation (FSMO) roles removed."
****

Ok, this establishes that it cannot sit in the same domain......... which is
what i said from the start. But on the same network it mentions nothing?

Back to my original question - It also explains that i cannot setup trusts
and presumably a replication of some kind, for Windows SBS 2003.
I was talking about sbs2000 and sbs4.5, which judging by your posts, the
same applies - again, no confirmation.

I would kind of hope for a more constructive answer from a MVP, and
obviously a more accurate one. Albeit these forums are free, so i shouldnt
complain, after all anyone can claim to be an MVP.

Regards

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[Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]]

Let me comment on this...

You can have 2 SBS boxes in the same physical network with some work... it
is not a common scenario (you would need to have some of the PCs with static
IPs, turn off the DHCP on one of the boxes at least, ect.). The thing you
can't have is two in the same domain. In SBS2k3 when you have two SBS boxes
in the same domain one shuts down.

Now... to answer your original question: To the best of my knowledge there
is NO way to do what you ask (I'm not an AD guru by any means). You can have
many different domains... but even if this were Win2k-Win2k (not SBS) in
order to AD replicate their must be on the same domain, forrest or whatever.
I think this also could be done with a trust relationship. But since both of
these options are not available between 2 SBS domains... then you cannot do
it.

Is that clearer now?

 

[Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]]

I would kind of hope for a more constructive answer from a MVP, and

obviously a more accurate one. Albeit these forums are free, so i shouldnt
complain, after all anyone can claim to be an MVP.

I would also like to comment on this...

Marina is a highly-respected bonafide SBS MVP. But, being an MVP doesn't
mean that we are always right or have all the answers. I think the great
thing about the NGs is that everybody can comment and/or express different
points or opinions. I have definitely given erroneous advice in the past
(not intentional, of course) in these NGs and I thank each an every person
that has corrected me... this allowed me to learn and help more people. This
is the whole reason why I love the SBS NGs... I spend a lot of time
answering questions because helping you also helps me.

Going back to the topic... having 2 SBS boxes in the way you described is a
very uncommon scenario in my opinion (unless if for migrating). Marina was
just posting what she tought was correct... since we are always talking
about SBS being a one domain solution where you can't have more than one SBS
box. It is easy to be confused... after all we are all humans

 

[Fawke101]

My apologies for appearing to make a personal attack on Marina, this was not
intended, although at the time i was very offending, again, my apologies
Marina.
However the arrogance in which she wrote her initial posts, and the very
limited content and explanation into what she was saying is another factor,
and it makes me wonder why she bothered writing anything.......

I am aware that having 2 sbs is a strange scenario, but if it is strange
enough not to know the answer, dont write anything!

I am fed up with MVPs shouting the odds, acting all high-and-mighty because
they got a few letters after their name, and as you said, you are after all
only human and not a higher society.

Once again my apologies for offended anyone, i dont make a habbit of it


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