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Absolute hogwash. There have been hundreds of posts on this newsgroup of
computers being rendered inoperative
by the user running a registry cleaner. Simply running a registry cleaner
has caused damage.
Incognitus said:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
If you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired, boosted,
tuned-up, cured, tweaked, fixed, or optimized (it doesn't), read
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions.


Hi [PA],

I have followed and respected your replies to posts for years, and also
your affiliation toward ms products.

I do have a question though regarding this thread, but first, an excerpt
from the link you posted re: O/P.
------\/

"Microsoft has a freebie online program at
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm. Being the Godfather's
program it should be safe....theoretically. It didn't do me any harm.
I strongly recommend that you, or anyone else, avoid using the onecare
registry cleaner

Here's why:

The onecare cleaner offers no chance to backup what is removed and
whatever it removes is gone, forever. Should it mistakenly remove a key
or value needed by your operating system or software it's gone along
with your program or operating system. I've seen onecare's registry
cleaner completely hose systems."
------

My question is: WHY did Bill/Micro allow this program to be written in
the first place? Why are ppl saying to Avoid it at all costs? (yet it is
written by M/S)
Lastly, and again, .. why did micro put it out there for all to see
Knowing Full Well that NO registry cleaner works at all.. and especially
considering each persons computer is different due to d/loads and
software and blah blah.
Click to expand...
What do you reckon?
Click to expand...

A very sore subject! I reckon that many longtime MVPs are Microsoft's
most vocal critics (vs. newer MVPs who are basically "MS Enthusiasts;"
e.g., the obnoxious Win7 Launch Parties).

I can't think of one Windows MVP who didn't take MS to task for
misguidedly including a "Registry cleaner" in OneCare when beta testing
began in 2006. (Four years later and we're still griping about it so if
you think MVPs have much "pull" these days, think again.)

The Windows Live OneCare Safety Center's
(http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm) "Clean up" scan is MS's
online "Registry cleaner," and it's included when you run the Full
Service scan. Even while the applications were in beta, this started
causing problems (i.e., stuff was "cleaned" that shouldn't have been),
so much so that Support had to make this page available, primarily due
to MVP pressure):
http://boards.msn.com/safetyboards/thread.aspx?ThreadID=4868

While OneCare itself has been discontinued (cf.
http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/activation/oc_eol_guidance.htm),
the online scans remain available and haven't been changed at all.

The The Windows Live OneCare Safety Center's online scan for Vista/Win7
is the Full Service scan only (i.e., you can't just run the Protection
scan) and continues to cause problems for users; cf.
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/whatsnew.htm.

Even Mark Russinovich (Technical Fellow in the MS Platform and Services
Division) criticized the use of Registry cleaners back in 2005:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/markruss.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx


Again, a very sore subject!
Click to expand...

Well, first off re: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm

The statements " The onecare cleaner offers no chance to backup what is
removed and whatever it removes is gone, forever."

and

"Should it mistakenly remove a key or value needed by your operating
system or software it's gone along with your program or operating system."

are not true.

C:\Documents and Settings\username\Local Settings\Application
Data\Microsoft\Windows Live Onecare safety scanner\Backup

is the location in XP where WLSC_Backup Registration Entries along with
XML Documentation are stored.

Registry cleaners themselves do no harm, it's the clueless twit using them
that causes the harm, the proof is in the two false statements quoted
above.

I'm surprised you didn't tell Eddie of the Backup folder.
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Good grief! Do you know what the correct time of day is? I ran one (about
five years ago) at about 2:00 PM.
Thank goodness for system restore.
Bill in Co said:
That's just because THEY didn't run it at the right time of the day.
What's the matter with you? It takes skill to know what time of the day
is best. :-)
Absolute hogwash. There have been hundreds of posts on this newsgroup of
computers being rendered inoperative
by the user running a registry cleaner. Simply running a registry cleaner
has caused damage.

Incognitus said:
On 07/10/2010 10:03 AM, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

Eddie wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
If you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired,
boosted,
tuned-up, cured, tweaked, fixed, or optimized (it doesn't), read
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions.


Hi [PA],

I have followed and respected your replies to posts for years, and
also
your affiliation toward ms products.

I do have a question though regarding this thread, but first, an
excerpt
from the link you posted re: O/P.
------\/

"Microsoft has a freebie online program at
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm. Being the Godfather's
program it should be safe....theoretically. It didn't do me any harm.
I strongly recommend that you, or anyone else, avoid using the onecare
registry cleaner

Here's why:

The onecare cleaner offers no chance to backup what is removed and
whatever it removes is gone, forever. Should it mistakenly remove a
key
or value needed by your operating system or software it's gone along
with your program or operating system. I've seen onecare's registry
cleaner completely hose systems."
------

My question is: WHY did Bill/Micro allow this program to be written in
the first place? Why are ppl saying to Avoid it at all costs? (yet it
is
written by M/S)
Lastly, and again, .. why did micro put it out there for all to see
Knowing Full Well that NO registry cleaner works at all.. and
especially
considering each persons computer is different due to d/loads and
software and blah blah.
<snip>
What do you reckon?

A very sore subject! I reckon that many longtime MVPs are Microsoft's
most vocal critics (vs. newer MVPs who are basically "MS Enthusiasts;"
e.g., the obnoxious Win7 Launch Parties).

I can't think of one Windows MVP who didn't take MS to task for
misguidedly including a "Registry cleaner" in OneCare when beta testing
began in 2006. (Four years later and we're still griping about it so if
you think MVPs have much "pull" these days, think again.)

The Windows Live OneCare Safety Center's
(http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm) "Clean up" scan is
MS's
online "Registry cleaner," and it's included when you run the Full
Service scan. Even while the applications were in beta, this started
causing problems (i.e., stuff was "cleaned" that shouldn't have been),
so much so that Support had to make this page available, primarily due
to MVP pressure):
http://boards.msn.com/safetyboards/thread.aspx?ThreadID=4868

While OneCare itself has been discontinued (cf.
http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/activation/oc_eol_guidance.htm),
the online scans remain available and haven't been changed at all.

The The Windows Live OneCare Safety Center's online scan for Vista/Win7
is the Full Service scan only (i.e., you can't just run the Protection
scan) and continues to cause problems for users; cf.
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/whatsnew.htm.

Even Mark Russinovich (Technical Fellow in the MS Platform and Services
Division) criticized the use of Registry cleaners back in 2005:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/markruss.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx


Again, a very sore subject!

Well, first off re: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm

The statements " The onecare cleaner offers no chance to backup what is
removed and whatever it removes is gone, forever."

and

"Should it mistakenly remove a key or value needed by your operating
system or software it's gone along with your program or operating
system."

are not true.

C:\Documents and Settings\username\Local Settings\Application
Data\Microsoft\Windows Live Onecare safety scanner\Backup

is the location in XP where WLSC_Backup Registration Entries along with
XML Documentation are stored.

Registry cleaners themselves do no harm, it's the clueless twit using
them
that causes the harm, the proof is in the two false statements quoted
above.

I'm surprised you didn't tell Eddie of the Backup folder.
Click to expand...
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Absolute hogwash. There have been hundreds of posts on this
newsgroup of computers being rendered inoperative
by the user running a registry cleaner.
Click to expand...

Fact or opinion? I'd like to see you to find "hundreds" of such posts.
 
Absolute fact. If you have been monitoring this news group for the last six
years you would
know that. Registry cleaners have been labeled 'snake oil'.
I personally had a problem with a registry cleaner and will not use one ever
again.
 
If you have been monitoring these newsgroups (including Win98)
over several years, you will recall that there indeed have been
MANY such posts (although not all "rendered inoperative", but
indeed having resulting isssue and problems as a consquence of
running them, with some being quite serious).
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I have, and there are some such posts. But not even close to
"hundreds".
 
Absolute fact. If you have been monitoring this news group for the
last six years you would know that. Registry cleaners have been
labeled 'snake oil'. I personally had a problem with a registry
cleaner and will not use one ever again.
Click to expand...

Absolute horseshit. If you weren't just spouting your hyperbolic
opinion, you wouldn't say "hundreds". I challenge you to produce any
number even close to 100 such reports from this group.
 
Eddie said:
Hi Pa,

I have followed and respected your replies to posts for years, and
also your affiliation toward ms products.

I do have a question though regarding this thread, but first, an
excerpt from the link you posted re: O/P.
------\/

"Microsoft has a freebie online program at
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm. Being the Godfather's
program it should be safe....theoretically. It didn't do me any harm.
I strongly recommend that you, or anyone else, avoid using the onecare
registry cleaner

Here's why:

The onecare cleaner offers no chance to backup what is removed and
whatever it removes is gone, forever. Should it mistakenly remove a
key or value needed by your operating system or software it's gone
along with your program or operating system. I've seen onecare's
registry cleaner completely hose systems."
------

My question is: WHY did Bill/Micro allow this program to be written in
the first place? Why are ppl saying to Avoid it at all costs? (yet it
is written by M/S)
Lastly, and again, .. why did micro put it out there for all to see
Knowing Full Well that NO registry cleaner works at all.. and
especially considering each persons computer is different due to
d/loads and software and blah blah.
Click to expand...

I personally think the OneCare Registry Cleaner does nothing. It's a
placebo. It whirs and clanks. The lights flash. Things happen on the screen.
It has everything except flames.

Like a medical placebo, it makes people "feel" better that they've actually
done something to cure an imaginary pain.

It was developed, in my opinion, to satisfy a clamor for a MS "approved"
registry cleaner. "Find a need and fill it" is Microsoft's motto!
 
Don't be so stupid. You know very well I cannot do that simply because they
were deleted.
You poll all other posters for their positions.
 
Don't be so stupid. You know very well I cannot do that simply
because they were deleted.
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Really!?! By whom? Google has been archiving
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general for a decade or more. If they exist,
you should find your hundreds right there among the 442,902 messages
they have archived. Check it out if you are so sure.
You poll all other posters for their positions.
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I thought you insisted on facts, not "positions".

Be informed not opinionated.
 
I can't say if it was hundreds, but it was definitely in the
several dozen range, and not just a handful or two (I'm talking
about over ALL the years I've been monitoring them).
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That's my point, there aren't "hundreds". Look, I'm not advocating the
use of registry cleaners and I'm fully aware of their potential for
damage. I agree, there's little or no need for the average user to use
them. I've seen a significant number of believable anecdotes, but I see
FAR more of these hysterical Cassandra warnings than real cases of
damage.

My real problem in this case is this annoying dweeb "Unknown" who
consistently flits in with its stock admonishments about not expressing
opinions, all the while spewing its own hyperbolic FUD.

I say, state the situation, relate your experiences, cite documented
cases. There's no need to exaggerate and spread old wives tales.
 
Absolute hogwash. There have been hundreds of posts on this newsgroup of
computers being rendered inoperative
by the user running a registry cleaner. Simply running a registry cleaner
has caused damage.
Click to expand...

Reading comprehension 101 is a must.
 
PA said:
Eddie said:
PA said:
If you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired, boosted,
tuned-up, cured, tweaked, fixed, or optimized (it doesn't), read
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions.
Click to expand...


Hi [PA],

I have followed and respected your replies to posts for years, and also
your affiliation toward ms products.

I do have a question though regarding this thread, but first, an excerpt
from the link you posted re: O/P.
------\/

"Microsoft has a freebie online program at
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm. Being the Godfather's
program it should be safe....theoretically. It didn't do me any harm.
I strongly recommend that you, or anyone else, avoid using the onecare
registry cleaner

Here's why:

The onecare cleaner offers no chance to backup what is removed and
whatever it removes is gone, forever. Should it mistakenly remove a key
or value needed by your operating system or software it's gone along
with your program or operating system. I've seen onecare's registry
cleaner completely hose systems."
------

My question is: WHY did Bill/Micro allow this program to be written in
the first place? Why are ppl saying to Avoid it at all costs? (yet it is
written by M/S)
Lastly, and again, .. why did micro put it out there for all to see
Knowing Full Well that NO registry cleaner works at all.. and especially
considering each persons computer is different due to d/loads and
software and blah blah.
Click to expand...
What do you reckon?
Click to expand...

A very sore subject! I reckon that many longtime MVPs are Microsoft's
most vocal critics (vs. newer MVPs who are basically "MS Enthusiasts;"
e.g., the obnoxious Win7 Launch Parties).

I can't think of one Windows MVP who didn't take MS to task for
misguidedly including a "Registry cleaner" in OneCare when beta testing
began in 2006. (Four years later and we're still griping about it so if
you think MVPs have much "pull" these days, think again.)

The Windows Live OneCare Safety Center's
(http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm) "Clean up" scan is MS's
online "Registry cleaner," and it's included when you run the Full
Service scan. Even while the applications were in beta, this started
causing problems (i.e., stuff was "cleaned" that shouldn't have been),
so much so that Support had to make this page available, primarily due
to MVP pressure):
http://boards.msn.com/safetyboards/thread.aspx?ThreadID=4868

While OneCare itself has been discontinued (cf.
http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/activation/oc_eol_guidance.htm),
the online scans remain available and haven't been changed at all.

The The Windows Live OneCare Safety Center's online scan for Vista/Win7
is the Full Service scan only (i.e., you can't just run the Protection
scan) and continues to cause problems for users; cf.
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/whatsnew.htm.

Even Mark Russinovich (Technical Fellow in the MS Platform and Services
Division) criticized the use of Registry cleaners back in 2005:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/markruss.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx


Again, a very sore subject!
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Pa,,
I only just got to this post, (and I searched for it for ages, just
couldnt see the usual 'green arrow' my end to say I had replied to
someone.) and I'd like to say before I motor on and read all other posts
in this thread, that I have yet again elevated you to 'top of the list';
and my reason>> your honesty Pa, simply your honesty in saying it is a
sore topic/subject.
I'll go read the rest now.

Cheers Pa.

Ed
 
Registry cleaners themselves do no harm, it's the clueless twit using
them that causes the harm, the proof is in the two false statements
quoted above.

I'm surprised you didn't tell Eddie of the Backup folder.
Click to expand...



Hi,,

He probably didnt tell Eddie that, because he already knew Eddie wasnt
talking about back-ups and the like at that stage,, but was merely
enquiring about about MS's version of a Reg Cleaner as per the link.;
and how poor newbs can get tangled up in the web of Reg cleaners.
I found his answer to be 'right on the money', and hence why I always
peruse his posts... he has an air of humility about him.

Ed
 
Bill said:
That's just because THEY didn't run it at the right time of the day.
What's the matter with you? It takes skill to know what time of the day is
best. :-)
Click to expand...


I heard Friday arvos were a good time,, might even get your petrol
cheaper too. (chuckle)

Ed


Absolute hogwash. There have been hundreds of posts on this newsgroup of
computers being rendered inoperative
by the user running a registry cleaner. Simply running a registry cleaner
has caused damage.

Incognitus said:
On 07/10/2010 10:03 AM, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Eddie wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
If you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired,
boosted,
tuned-up, cured, tweaked, fixed, or optimized (it doesn't), read
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions.

Hi [PA],

I have followed and respected your replies to posts for years, and also
your affiliation toward ms products.

I do have a question though regarding this thread, but first, an
excerpt
from the link you posted re: O/P.
------\/

"Microsoft has a freebie online program at
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm. Being the Godfather's
program it should be safe....theoretically. It didn't do me any harm.
I strongly recommend that you, or anyone else, avoid using the onecare
registry cleaner

Here's why:

The onecare cleaner offers no chance to backup what is removed and
whatever it removes is gone, forever. Should it mistakenly remove a key
or value needed by your operating system or software it's gone along
with your program or operating system. I've seen onecare's registry
cleaner completely hose systems."
------

My question is: WHY did Bill/Micro allow this program to be written in
the first place? Why are ppl saying to Avoid it at all costs? (yet it
is
written by M/S)
Lastly, and again, .. why did micro put it out there for all to see
Knowing Full Well that NO registry cleaner works at all.. and
especially
considering each persons computer is different due to d/loads and
software and blah blah.
<snip>
What do you reckon?
A very sore subject! I reckon that many longtime MVPs are Microsoft's
most vocal critics (vs. newer MVPs who are basically "MS Enthusiasts;"
e.g., the obnoxious Win7 Launch Parties).

I can't think of one Windows MVP who didn't take MS to task for
misguidedly including a "Registry cleaner" in OneCare when beta testing
began in 2006. (Four years later and we're still griping about it so if
you think MVPs have much "pull" these days, think again.)

The Windows Live OneCare Safety Center's
(http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm) "Clean up" scan is MS's
online "Registry cleaner," and it's included when you run the Full
Service scan. Even while the applications were in beta, this started
causing problems (i.e., stuff was "cleaned" that shouldn't have been),
so much so that Support had to make this page available, primarily due
to MVP pressure):
http://boards.msn.com/safetyboards/thread.aspx?ThreadID=4868

While OneCare itself has been discontinued (cf.
http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/activation/oc_eol_guidance.htm),
the online scans remain available and haven't been changed at all.

The The Windows Live OneCare Safety Center's online scan for Vista/Win7
is the Full Service scan only (i.e., you can't just run the Protection
scan) and continues to cause problems for users; cf.
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/whatsnew.htm.

Even Mark Russinovich (Technical Fellow in the MS Platform and Services
Division) criticized the use of Registry cleaners back in 2005:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/markruss.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx


Again, a very sore subject!
Well, first off re: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm

The statements " The onecare cleaner offers no chance to backup what is
removed and whatever it removes is gone, forever."

and

"Should it mistakenly remove a key or value needed by your operating
system or software it's gone along with your program or operating
system."

are not true.

C:\Documents and Settings\username\Local Settings\Application
Data\Microsoft\Windows Live Onecare safety scanner\Backup

is the location in XP where WLSC_Backup Registration Entries along with
XML Documentation are stored.

Registry cleaners themselves do no harm, it's the clueless twit using
them
that causes the harm, the proof is in the two false statements quoted
above.

I'm surprised you didn't tell Eddie of the Backup folder.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
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There was one post by a computer repair shop owner who stated he has fixed
hundreds of computers
that were damaged by the owner running a registry cleaner. I'm sure you can
find his post
in your quote of 442,902 archived by Google. Also of the millions of
computers
in existence, how many were damaged by a registry cleaner and not reported?
 
There was one post by a computer repair shop owner who stated he
has fixed hundreds of computers that were damaged by the owner
running a registry cleaner.
Click to expand...

OK, that's one (rumored) post by one anonymous yahoo who we have no
reason to believe, cited by another anonymous yahoo who we have no
reason to believe. Where are the rest of the "hundreds of posts" you
claim to exist? I'll accept even ONE hundred.

Be informed not opinionated.
 
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