Registry errors/repair

J

Justin

I've read some posts in this group about cleaning the registry of
"registry errors". I have used a program on occasion to "clean" the
registry but I am questioning the need for this after reading some of
the posts here. Is this something that should be done at any time, or
is it something that is just more "BS"? I have been asked to write a
report on registry errors and the reasons behind them as well as how
and why to fix them.

TIA for your time and help.

Justin
 
G

Gord Dibben

I would ask whomever commissioned the report to define what constitutes
"registry errors".

Cleaning the registry with some third-party cleaner most likely won't
resolve any actual "errors" if you are getting messages about some.

May even cause more problems.


Gord
 
P

Pegasus [MVP]

Justin said:
I've read some posts in this group about cleaning the registry of
"registry errors". I have used a program on occasion to "clean" the
registry but I am questioning the need for this after reading some of
the posts here. Is this something that should be done at any time, or
is it something that is just more "BS"? I have been asked to write a
report on registry errors and the reasons behind them as well as how
and why to fix them.

TIA for your time and help.

Justin

Registry "cleaners" sell themselves by reporting large numbers of "errors"
(which, if they exist, have no effect on the operation of Windows), then
claim to improve the operation of Windows by "fixing" these errors. No one
has ever published a benchmark test that demonstrates the effectiveness of
these fixes. In most cases registry cleaners are perfectly useless.
Occasionally they get it wrong and damage the registry. You can see the
results in these newsgroups.

Summary: Most registry cleaners are snake oil. They are useless at best and
destructive at worst.

What "registry errors" are you referring to? Care to be more specific?
 
D

db

you simply have to query the
nntp or microsoft newsgroup
website on the issue and develop
your own report - respectfully.



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D

db

you can begin your research
at here:

http://tinyurl.com/yfum6gz



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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

I've read some posts in this group about cleaning the registry of
"registry errors". I have used a program on occasion to "clean" the
registry but I am questioning the need for this after reading some of
the posts here. Is this something that should be done at any time, or
is it something that is just more "BS"? I have been asked to write a
report on registry errors and the reasons behind them as well as how
and why to fix them.


I strongly recommend that you do *not* use such programs.

Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the
registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and
don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and
what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of,
having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html
 
A

ANONYMOUS

I strongly recommend that you do *not* use such programs.
You have also recommended not to reformat a HD. Could it be because you
haven't formatted a HD and using the same logic you haven't used
CCLEANER or any registry cleaner to know anything about them.!!
 
T

Terry R.

On 11/16/2009 12:41 PM On a whim, Justin pounded out on the keyboard
I've read some posts in this group about cleaning the registry of
"registry errors". I have used a program on occasion to "clean" the
registry but I am questioning the need for this after reading some of
the posts here. Is this something that should be done at any time, or
is it something that is just more "BS"? I have been asked to write a
report on registry errors and the reasons behind them as well as how
and why to fix them.

TIA for your time and help.

Justin

Hi Justin,

You see here that some have quickly jumped on the "snake oil" issue with
registry cleaners. I will leave that to you if their response was
helpful to your inquiry.

I have used registry tools for years without issue. But I am a
consultant and know what to look for and what to allow to be removed. I
have never allowed one to search and clean without my interaction of
what is and what isn't being removed.

Registry errors can happen when a program installs, uninstalls, or get
modified. Usually they can go unnoticed and cause no harm. Sometimes
the error causes a reaction; i.e. an error dialog box stating a program
or DLL cannot be found, isn't registered, etc. This is where I find the
best use of registry tools, specifically ones that can search the
entrire registry for single or multiple keywords, and allow the removal
or modification of one, some, or all in a single operation, IF
resinstalling the app or uninstalling and reinstalling doesn't resolve
it. The errors can be caused by malware hijacking normal app paths and
replacing it with crap entries. Registry errors can be caused by hard
disk errors.

People who use registry cleaners because of what they read without
proper knowledge are the ones that should NOT be using them. Running
them and allowing them to fix what they deem necessary is dangerous.
Unfortunately, those are most of the ones who report here after their
systems become unbootable, and don't have any good backups.

And regarding backups, NO ONE should mess with their computers without
FIRST having a current, complete, AND verified copy. At least that way
if they hose their system, they can restore it quickly. Or if they find
that changes they made days ago are causing something to not function
properly, they can restore it quickly.

Not being prepared for a disaster isn't any programs fault. It's the
users fault.


Terry R.
 
B

Bruce Chambers

Justin said:
I've read some posts in this group about cleaning the registry of
"registry errors". I have used a program on occasion to "clean" the
registry but I am questioning the need for this after reading some of
the posts here. Is this something that should be done at any time, or
is it something that is just more "BS"? I have been asked to write a
report on registry errors and the reasons behind them as well as how
and why to fix them.

TIA for your time and help.

Justin


Why would you even think you'd ever need to clean your registry?
What specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some
program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be
fixed by using a registry "cleaner?"

If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would
be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change.

Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
automated registry "cleaner," particularly by an untrained,
inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's
certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use
of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's
performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not
worth the risk.

Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
non-existent benefits.

I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands
of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a
useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make
any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
registry "cleaners" that are truly safe for the general public to use.
Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
in the hands of the inexperienced user.

A little further reading on the subject:

Why I don't use registry cleaners
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=643

AumHa Forums • View topic - AUMHA Discussion: Should I Use a Registry
Cleaner?
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099


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B

Bruce Chambers

ANONYMOUS said:
Ignore all the muppets who have replied. You can rely on CCleaner:


Utter nonsense!! I've tested the most recent recent version (with all
updates) version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional
applications installed, and certainly none installed and then
uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred
allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly
"suspicious" files, making it clearly a *worthless* product, in this
regard. (Not that any registry cleaner can ever be anything but
worthless, as they don't serve any *useful* purpose, to start with.)

CCleaner's only real strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in
its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard
drive. It differs from the native Windows tool in that it allows more
granular control and you can specify which folders you want scanned. For
instance, WinXP's disk cleaner will examine only the profile folders of
the user who is running the utility. On a single-user machine, this is
fine, but on a family or other mult-use machine, the ability to clean
temorary files from all of the user profiles at once is a great time saver.



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Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
J

Jose

you simply have to query the
nntp or microsoft newsgroup
website on the issue and develop
your own report - respectfully.

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 - Database Developer
 - Accountancy
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B-b-b-ut db - you frequently suggest a "registry tune up and defrag"
for issues.

What do you recommend for the registry tune up operation?
 
D

db

jose,

the issue with registry cleaners is a long
one.

since my initial experience with the nntp
I have always proposed the use of them
and will continue to do so.

unlike the others, I as well as microsoft
can rationalize the use of the utilities
that will prevent the registry from crashing.

however, the issue at hand is a student
that has been given an assignment by
his teacher.

I'm not going to do his/her homework.

--
db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
- Systems Analyst
- Database Developer
- Accountancy
- Veteran of the Armed Forces
- @Hotmail.com
- nntp Postologist
~ "share the nirvana" - dbZen

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
B

Bill in Co.

db said:
jose,

the issue with registry cleaners is a long
one.

since my initial experience with the nntp
I have always proposed the use of them
and will continue to do so.

unlike the others, I as well as microsoft
can rationalize the use of the utilities
that will prevent the registry from crashing.

You don't need any utilities to "prevent the registry from crashing" (which,
in itself, is a non-sequitur).
 
J

Jose

jose,

the issue with registry cleaners is a long
one.

since my initial experience with the nntp
I have always proposed the use of them
and will continue to do so.

unlike the others, I as well as microsoft
can rationalize the use of the utilities
that will prevent the registry from crashing.

however, the issue at hand is a student
that has been given an assignment by
his teacher.

I'm not going to do his/her homework.


I was being facetious, db!

I have my own method of keeping the registry free of encumbrance.
 
J

Justin

I was being facetious, db!

I have my own method of keeping the registry free of encumbrance.


To db:
I am not a student wanting someone else to "do my homework", thank you
very much.

To the rest of you:

Thanks for your replies and information. You've been most helpful and
I sincerely appreciate your time and effort. I've learned quite a lot
from your links and opinions.
 
T

Terry R.

On 11/18/2009 4:24 AM On a whim, Justin pounded out on the keyboard
To db:
I am not a student wanting someone else to "do my homework", thank you
very much.

To the rest of you:

Thanks for your replies and information. You've been most helpful and
I sincerely appreciate your time and effort. I've learned quite a lot
from your links and opinions.

You're welcome Justin.


Terry R.
 

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