Registry cleaner

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mistral

I found that my Registry contains many entries related to various old
programs that are not exist anymore in my PC.
So I want to clean this old registry entries. However the best practice is
to do this manually. But all this need be done extremelly accurately and
exactly. Also, some programs may leave their entries in more than one
registry folder, so its not so easy to find it all. I need advice for good
utility (freeware) which will do this job, to find old registry entries more
easy, and which will not remove registry keys in automatic mode, i.e. only
user will to decide to remove specific registry entry or not.

mistral
 
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antioch

mistral said:
I found that my Registry contains many entries related to various old
programs that are not exist anymore in my PC.
So I want to clean this old registry entries. However the best practice is
to do this manually. But all this need be done extremelly accurately and
exactly. Also, some programs may leave their entries in more than one
registry folder, so its not so easy to find it all. I need advice for
good
utility (freeware) which will do this job, to find old registry entries
more
easy, and which will not remove registry keys in automatic mode, i.e. only
user will to decide to remove specific registry entry or not.

mistral

Hello Mistral
I have asked this same question and the general response has been to leave
well alone if you have no idea what you are doing.
The same advice applies to software programmes that can be used.
A couple of years ago, before I knew about newsgroups etc, I used a well
known prog. - and I regretted it.
I had to pay a local computer man nearly £50 to sort the problem out.
If you have no problems with your registry then why take a chance.
If it aint broke then don't fix it.
Rgds
Antioch
 
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Bruce Chambers

mistral said:
I found that my Registry contains many entries related to various old
programs that are not exist anymore in my PC.
So I want to clean this old registry entries. However the best practice is
to do this manually. But all this need be done extremelly accurately and
exactly. Also, some programs may leave their entries in more than one
registry folder, so its not so easy to find it all. I need advice for good
utility (freeware) which will do this job, to find old registry entries more
easy, and which will not remove registry keys in automatic mode, i.e. only
user will to decide to remove specific registry entry or not.

mistral


By "goodt," I assume you mean the one least likely to render your
computer completely unusable? CCleaner seems relatively benign, as long
as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if
it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let
the application "fix" it. In my experience, most of the reported
"issues" won't be issues, at all. (CCleaner's registry "tool" is a
great source of false alarms. I tried the latest version on a brand-new
OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly
none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to
"find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of
purportedly "suspicious" files.) CCleaner's main strength lies in its
usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive.

Why would you think you need to clean your registry?

What specific *problem* are you experiencing that you *know* beyond
all reasonable doubt will be fixed by using a registry cleaner? If you
do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be far better
to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific key(s)
and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. Why use a shotgun when a
scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually changing of one or
two registry entries is far less likely to have the dire consequences of
allowing an automated product to make multiple changes simultaneously.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change. Having seen the results of inexperienced people
using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user.

The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge
and Regedit.exe. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain
your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

Further, no one has ever demonstrated, to my satisfaction, that the
use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained,
inexperienced computer user, does any real good. There's certainly been
no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such
products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
or stability.

I always use Regedit.exe. I trust my own experience and judgment
far more than I would any automated registry cleaner. I strongly
encourage others to acquire the knowledge, as well.


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HEMI® - Powered

Today, mistral made these interesting comments ...
I found that my Registry contains many entries related to
various old programs that are not exist anymore in my PC.
So I want to clean this old registry entries. However the best
practice is to do this manually. But all this need be done
extremelly accurately and exactly. Also, some programs may
leave their entries in more than one registry folder, so its
not so easy to find it all. I need advice for good utility
(freeware) which will do this job, to find old registry
entries more easy, and which will not remove registry keys in
automatic mode, i.e. only user will to decide to remove
specific registry entry or not.
If you take correct precautions, JV16 Powertools is very
effective at cleaning out orphans, can provide its own backups
(but, I do my own), and can operate in interactive mode so you
know what you're deleting. But, it is commercial software. Don't
know how much money you want to spend. If your system is stable
and speed is OK, don't worry too much about the excess crap in
the Registry, chances are it won't hurt you.

The main reason to go after this stuff is when you're trying to
solve a problem. Easy example: Jasc's Paint Shop Pro 9 lost its
ability to launch when double-clicking graphics files in
Explorer. Windoze Picture and FAX viewer insisted on displaying
the files and the well-known methods of fixing that failed. An
uninstall/reinstall of PSP 9 didn't fix the problem because of
what turned out to be /in excess/ of 5,000 orphaned Registry
entries. So, I used JV16 to search for "jasc" and "paint shop pro
9", and very carefully deleted the entires, then re-installed the
app and all was well.

However, before I did all that, I set a RP, backed up the
Registry through regedit, and created a C:\ image backup with
Acronis True Image 9.0.

As to free utilities, there will always be controversy, but in
general, when dealing with something as inherently dangerous as
putzing with the Registry, I would not invite a visit from Murphy
using the "you get what you pay for" logic of freeware.

Just one man's opinion, YMMV ...
 
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Guest

I don't think my post went through the site was busy. I've used tune-up
utilities 2006 on my pc for almost a year. It has worked great for me. It
gives you a back up so you can reverse anything you do. The only thing i
don't use on the program is the disk defrag. It will crash if something is
running in the background, but everything else works great for me. The
website is www.tune-up.com you can download it free for 30 days.No credit
card required. and it tells you everything it finds and gives you the choice
to clean it or leave it as is. good luck
 
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mistral

antioch said:
Hello Mistral
I have asked this same question and the general response has been to leave
well alone if you have no idea what you are doing.
The same advice applies to software programmes that can be used.
A couple of years ago, before I knew about newsgroups etc, I used a well
known prog. - and I regretted it.
I had to pay a local computer man nearly £50 to sort the problem out.
If you have no problems with your registry then why take a chance.
If it aint broke then don't fix it.
Rgds
Antioch
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so to 'leave well alone' is best way to keep registry clean? There are many
old progs which leave they old entries in registry, so why we neep keep it
there? however, i understand that most microsoft software is bad software,
unstable and unreliable, which cause more problems/ headache than help..
this is because it's primary purpose is grab money from customers, not help
them..
 
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antioch

mistral said:
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so to 'leave well alone' is best way to keep registry clean? There are
many
old progs which leave they old entries in registry, so why we neep keep it
there? however, i understand that most microsoft software is bad software,
unstable and unreliable, which cause more problems/ headache than help..
this is because it's primary purpose is grab money from customers, not
help
them..

It appears to me that the replies are not what you wanted to hear.
I thought you wanted a consensus of opinion as to cleaning the registry.
Well, you got that and more.
Are you indicating that all these old entries in registry are the remains of
old MS progs/software.
OR is your initial thread a platform to spout anti-MS, which has now taken
your thread 'off topic'
Rgds
Antioch
 
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mistral

so to 'leave well alone' is best way to keep registry clean? There are many
old progs which leave they old entries in registry, so why we neep keep it
there? however, i understand that most microsoft software is bad software,
unstable and unreliable, which cause more problems/ headache than help..
this is because it's primary purpose is grab money from customers, not help
them..

It appears to me that the replies are not what you wanted to hear.
I thought you wanted a consensus of opinion as to cleaning the registry.
Well, you got that and more.
Are you indicating that all these old entries in registry are the remains of
old MS progs/software.
OR is your initial thread a platform to spout anti-MS, which has now taken
your thread 'off topic'
Rgds
Antioch


The old registry entries remains of various old programs, not MS. Burt there
is also traces of ms operating system also: for example, traces of earlier
network configuration, share names, etc - this is traces of old, not
existing configuration. This entries can cause errors, etc
Good operating system must be designed to foresee this issues, that possible
can be used incorrectly written programs, which leave entries, etc, and have
built-in tool, than can clean this traces easily. But not the microsoft
platform That's why its bad

mistral
 
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HEMI® - Powered

Today, Kelly made these interesting comments ...
Do you drive a Chrysler? :blush:)
Yes, more specifically, I currently have a company lease 2006
Jeep Liberty and a dealer lease 2006 Dodge Charger HEMI R/T. Do
you have a specific question about Chrysler products, current,
past or future or some issues either pro or con wrt to my
comments about Registry cleaners?

You can see from my sig that I must be either an active employee
of the Chrysler Group division of DaimlerChrysler AG or a
retiree; I am the latter. I normally post car pictures to
alt.binaries.pictures.autos and other car-picture NGs. These
places often engender discussions about cars in general, American
vs. foreign-made, and the specifics of what historically happened
at Ford, GM, Chrysler, and American Motors, and what is happening
today.

There are a wide variety of so-called "insider knowledge" things
I can and do talk about legally from Chrysler's history, because
they are no longer confidential. Ditto for today and some public
knowledge of the future. As a retiree, I no longer have access to
future model confidential information, but couldn't talk about
that if even if I did, any more than you can talk about anything-
M$ that is part of the NDA you signed when becoming an MVP.
However, I do keep my hand in the game, so I can provide
information to you directly or find out.

Now, seeing the erstatz smiley face after your comment, and my
well-known disdain for the bias of MVPs, I would actually assume
you're making a smart-ass crack, so it would be a good idea for
you to clarify your comment.
 
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HEMI® - Powered

Today, antioch made these interesting comments ...
It appears to me that the replies are not what you wanted to
hear. I thought you wanted a consensus of opinion as to
cleaning the registry. Well, you got that and more.
Are you indicating that all these old entries in registry are
the remains of old MS progs/software.
OR is your initial thread a platform to spout anti-MS, which
has now taken your thread 'off topic'
Rgds

"Anti-MS" can be entirely ON-topic when it involves what the
Microsoft installer package used by nearly all apps today does
and does not do, Control Panel Add/Remove Programs does and does
not do, what app-specific uninstallers and cleaner utilities do
and do not do, as well as how apps & utilities use the MS API and
other developer tools, and requirements forced on them to be MS-
certified/Windows compliant, regedit, and any number of other
things that cause the Registry to become bloated, orphan entries
created, actual corruption caused by any version of Windows
itself, and more.

And, don't try to tell me that Windows never corrupts the
Registry on its own, as anyone who has used Windows for any
reasonable period of time with an even moderately complex system
can attest to (if nothing else, a cynic could argue that one
purpose for automatic System Restore Check Points and an
automatic Registry backup after every successful close is tacit
admission that MS knows their software doesn't always work).

I can personally attest to both MS and independent developer apps
and utilities leaving crap in my Registry since Win 95, through
98, XP, XP SP1 and now XP SP2. I elucicated one easy one that
wasn't MS, but one that is is a well-known bug that causes
Outlook Express not to recognize MS Office's spell checker unless
a couple of specific DLLs are added, and often, Registry hacks
are used to fix it.
 
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HEMI® - Powered

Today, mistral made these interesting comments ...
so to 'leave well alone' is best way to keep registry clean?
There are many old progs which leave they old entries in
registry, so why we neep keep it there? however, i understand
that most microsoft software is bad software, unstable and
unreliable, which cause more problems/ headache than help..
this is because it's primary purpose is grab money from
customers, not help them..

The old registry entries remains of various old programs, not
MS. Burt there is also traces of ms operating system also: for
example, traces of earlier network configuration, share names,
etc - this is traces of old, not existing configuration. This
entries can cause errors, etc Good operating system must be
designed to foresee this issues, that possible can be used
incorrectly written programs, which leave entries, etc, and
have built-in tool, than can clean this traces easily. But not
the microsoft platform That's why its bad
Absent a specific problem one is experiencing, unless you have
reasonable technical knowledge and take reasonable - or even
extraordinary - precautions to recover from a Registry editing
disaster, yes, the best advice is to leave well enough alone.

What you say in the two paragraphs above is entirely true in my
personal experience and the personal experiences of IT support
people I know or formerly managed at work. But, it is often
unwise to make sweeping generalizations on either side of this
/very/ controversial debate, even though I do that myself (but
can give specific examples to support my assetions). And, even a
casual reading of the thousands of MS KB articles will illustrate
to you that errant Registry entries can cause everything from
slowdowns to improper execution of apps to crashes of Windows
itself, as well as the thousands of MS updates over the years,
not all of which are security related, including the almost
entire rewrite of XP for SP2, which collected all the previous
updates and bug fixes along with specific new security
provisions.
 
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antioch

mistral said:
so to 'leave well alone' is best way to keep registry clean? There are
many
old progs which leave they old entries in registry, so why we neep keep it
there? however, i understand that most microsoft software is bad software,
unstable and unreliable, which cause more problems/ headache than help..
this is because it's primary purpose is grab money from customers, not
help
them..




The old registry entries remains of various old programs, not MS. Burt
there
is also traces of ms operating system also: for example, traces of earlier
network configuration, share names, etc - this is traces of old, not
existing configuration. This entries can cause errors, etc
Good operating system must be designed to foresee this issues, that
possible
can be used incorrectly written programs, which leave entries, etc, and
have
built-in tool, than can clean this traces easily. But not the microsoft
platform That's why its bad

mistral
Point taken - but I think your thread has been answered - god knows what
remains we all have on our computers?
But when one pops up as a problem there is plenty of help here to solve that
issue. I have had one registry problem in the last 5 months and I was given
excellent step by step help and the problem was solved.
Others have used reg cleaners and not found them a problem.
In the end its a question of what you consider the odds are for or against.
But the choice has to be left to you.
I wish you well - whichever way you jump.
Rgds
Antioch
 
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antioch

Replies intertwined/spliced/in-line/whatever


HEMI® - Powered said:
Today, antioch made these interesting comments ...


"Anti-MS" can be entirely ON-topic when it involves what the
Microsoft installer package used by nearly all apps today does
and does not do, Control Panel Add/Remove Programs does and does not do,
what app-specific uninstallers and cleaner utilities do
and do not do, as well as how apps & utilities use the MS API and
other developer tools, and requirements forced on them to be MS-
certified/Windows compliant, regedit, and any number of other
things that cause the Registry to become bloated, orphan entries
created, actual corruption caused by any version of Windows
itself, and more.

Agreed - all good points - we all know this - thats why these groups are so
good.
Then start such a 'winge' thread of your own - I moan enough about MS but
not in a thread about something else. Hell, I've even been called an MS
sceptic ;-)
The thread was whether or not to use a reg cleaner.
As to this thread, I dont think you have given your opinion to the OP.
If you have, sorry I missed it.
It is a bit annoying having to read through a dose of verbiage to find that
opinion.
And, don't try to tell me that Windows never corrupts the
Registry on its own, as anyone who has used Windows for any
reasonable period of time with an even moderately complex system
can attest to (if nothing else, a cynic could argue that one
purpose for automatic System Restore Check Points and an
automatic Registry backup after every successful close is tacit
admission that MS knows their software doesn't always work).

Yes, yes
I can personally attest to both MS and independent developer apps
and utilities leaving crap in my Registry since Win 95, through
98, XP, XP SP1 and now XP SP2. I elucicated one easy one that
wasn't MS, but one that is is a well-known bug that causes
Outlook Express not to recognize MS Office's spell checker unless
a couple of specific DLLs are added, and often, Registry hacks
are used to fix it.

Yes, yes - we all can - so what do you do about it?
Do YOU muck about in the registry or do YOU use software to do it for you?
Rgds
Antioch
PS
I had a 180 for five years - two huge front seats - like armchairs - very
smooth rider it was. But a bit if a 'rust-bucket' alas.
 
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HEMI® - Powered

Today, antioch made these interesting comments ...
Agreed - all good points - we all know this - thats why these
groups are so good.
Then start such a 'winge' thread of your own - I moan enough
about MS but not in a thread about something else. Hell, I've
even been called an MS sceptic ;-)
The thread was whether or not to use a reg cleaner.
As to this thread, I dont think you have given your opinion to
the OP. If you have, sorry I missed it.
It is a bit annoying having to read through a dose of verbiage
to find that opinion.

Replies are to the OP or to the person being replied to, so I am
sorry if you are annoyed at my bloviating, I'm not talking to
you, except for what I specifically said in answer to your
comments. My experiences and recommendations were for the OP, and
I don't know really whether they did or didn't comment, as I
don't pay that much attention to who said what.
Yes, yes - we all can - so what do you do about it?
Do YOU muck about in the registry or do YOU use software to do
it for you? Rgds

I don't "muckh around" anything. WRT this thread, I said in the
part you went to sleep on that I use a commercial utility called
JV16 Powertools which has an automatic and semi-automatic cleaner
that will show what it thinks are orphas, missing links, whatever
is noise in the Registry. And, among a dozen sub-utilities it has
one damn fine Registry search engine. So, in the case of
pathological problems with many errant entries, I use both. I
used as a specific example a problem I had with Jasc's Paint Shot
Pro 9 last year that I could not fix by the normal
uninstall/reinstall even with Corel's PSP Registry zap util. What
I found with JV16 was /over/ 5,000 orphaned entries by doing a
search on "jasc" and "paint shop pro 9". One to 4,999 of those
were causing the problem, I don't know and don't care, but it got
fixed.

Before I did all this, though, I backed up the Registry from
regedit, set a RP, and ran a full image backup with Acronis True
Image 9.0. I do /not/ believe in ever giving Murphy an even
break.
I had a 180 for five years - two huge front seats - like
armchairs - very smooth rider it was. But a bit if a
'rust-bucket' alas.

What's a "180"?
 
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POP

In
antioch said:
....

It appears to me that the replies are not what you wanted to
hear.
I thought you wanted a consensus of opinion as to cleaning the

No, he asked for a recommendation for a registry cleaner, not a
concensus on whether it should be done or not.

registry. Well, you got that and more.
Are you indicating that all these old entries in registry are
the
remains of old MS progs/software.
OR is your initial thread a platform to spout anti-MS, which
has now
taken your thread 'off topic'

No, you have now taken the thread off topic, and didn't label it
as such either.
Your desire to chastise has overtaken your desire to help.
 
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Bruce Chambers

Actually, yes. The expression "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" is
never more true than when it comes to the Windows registry, where a
seemingly insignificant mistake can render the OS unbootable.


There are many
old progs which leave they old entries in registry,


Yes, that is sometimes the case. So what? These orphaned entries
almost never cause any problems, and the rare one that does can easily
be surgically excised manually without resorting to the "chainsaw"
technique of the automated registry "cleaner."
so why we neep keep it
there?


Sure, why not? Especially as their presence does no harm, and the act
of trying to clean them out could very easily render the computer unusable?

however, i understand that most microsoft software is bad software,
unstable and unreliable, which cause more problems/ headache than help..


Only to those who cannot or will not learn to properly use and maintain
their computers. But feel free to develop your own *perfect* software
products; then you'll be in a better position to cast aspersions.

this is because it's primary purpose is grab money from customers, not help
them..

Oh my, say it isn't so! A business that seeks to make money? Who ever
heard of such a thing? Sheesh! Have you not heard of capitalism? Did
you think a business was a charitable institution? However did you
manage to live long enough to learn to read and write (barely), and yet
remain so naive and utterly unfamiliar with reality?


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
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