Refill ink for Canon iP4000

[ngreplies]

I have come to renew the cyan tank for the above printer - and although
there is a strong argument for using originals, it only seems a month ago
since this cartridge was replaced and I have not printed that much.

I can only put the huge drain down to the fact that the printer head cleans
itself every time a print is carried out.

I am wondering whether the tank BCI-6C is pigment or dye based inks, and
whether the JR Inkjet bulk refill inks are compatible (are they dye or
pigment based?)

I look at the cartridge which is reported low, and notice that there is a
vertical tank about 1/3 of the cartridge which is now devoid of ink - well
almost, and the other 2/3 of the tank is taken up with a large sponge -
probably as a mechanism to rid bubbles out of the supply to the heads.

I cannot see any reason why this chamber cannot be simply refilled carefully
and re-sealed through a hole drilled at the top of this tank. It has just
occurred to me that the ink in the sponge may become thickened with age and
send a clog into the head when refilled - but I do not know.

For those out there (like Measkite) who just want to shout at the fact I am
looking at bulk ink refilling as opposed to OEM replacement - please don't
bother to reply to this post. We've heard all your views before and this is
not the place for a slanging match.

Thanks in advance for any sensible constructive feedback.
(newsgroup replies only)

 

[Burt]

I have come to renew the cyan tank for the above printer - and although
there is a strong argument for using originals, it only seems a month ago
since this cartridge was replaced and I have not printed that much.

I can only put the huge drain down to the fact that the printer head
cleans
itself every time a print is carried out.

I am wondering whether the tank BCI-6C is pigment or dye based inks, and
whether the JR Inkjet bulk refill inks are compatible (are they dye or
pigment based?)

I look at the cartridge which is reported low, and notice that there is a
vertical tank about 1/3 of the cartridge which is now devoid of ink - well
almost, and the other 2/3 of the tank is taken up with a large sponge -
probably as a mechanism to rid bubbles out of the supply to the heads.

I cannot see any reason why this chamber cannot be simply refilled
carefully
and re-sealed through a hole drilled at the top of this tank. It has just
occurred to me that the ink in the sponge may become thickened with age
and
send a clog into the head when refilled - but I do not know.

For those out there (like Measkite) who just want to shout at the fact I
am
looking at bulk ink refilling as opposed to OEM replacement - please don't
bother to reply to this post. We've heard all your views before and this
is
not the place for a slanging match.

Thanks in advance for any sensible constructive feedback.
(newsgroup replies only)

Refilling of these carts is easy, any little mess is easily contained, and
you save 90% over OEM ink cost. The three bulk inks that appear to be most
popular on this newsgroup as well as the Nifty-stuff forum are MIS,
Formulabs (from Alotofthings) and Hobbicolors, available on the internet.
Hobbicolors comes in a kit with empty cartridges that are very convenient to
use as the refill hole has a nylon screw with o-ring for a seal. You need
to read up on technique before you start. All of these vendors post
instructions on how to refill, and you can also get lots of information on
the Nifty-stuff forum by reading the many posts about sealing the fill hole,
etc. It's not rocket science, but you do need to read the info from people
who have refilled and refined the simple techniques that make it easy,
quick, and neat. When you go onto the Nifty forum do your "homework" before
asking questions as most of the info you need has already been discussed and
is there for you to read.

The link for Nifty stuff is http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/

 

[rafe b]

I am wondering whether the tank BCI-6C is pigment or dye based inks, and
whether the JR Inkjet bulk refill inks are compatible (are they dye or
pigment based?)

AFAIK, Canon desktop printers use only dye inks.

If it's the same BCI-6 ink set as in my old (and dead)
Canon S9000, then it's definitely dye ink.


rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com

 

[measekite]

AFAIK, Canon desktop printers use only dye inks.

FALSE THEY USE BOTH

If it's the same BCI-6 ink set as in my old (and dead)
Canon S9000, then it's definitely dye ink.

BE CAREFUL OF CLOGGING

 

[measekite]

I have come to renew the cyan tank for the above printer - and although
there is a strong argument for using originals, it only seems a month ago
since this cartridge was replaced and I have not printed that much.

I can only put the huge drain down to the fact that the printer head cleans
itself every time a print is carried out.

NOT TRUE

I am wondering whether the tank BCI-6C is pigment or dye based inks, and
whether the JR Inkjet bulk refill inks are compatible (are they dye or
pigment based?)

DO NOT RISK CLOGS, MESS, AND FADING

I look at the cartridge which is reported low, and notice that there is a
vertical tank about 1/3 of the cartridge which is now devoid of ink - well
almost, and the other 2/3 of the tank is taken up with a large sponge -
probably as a mechanism to rid bubbles out of the supply to the heads.

I cannot see any reason why this chamber cannot be simply refilled carefully
and re-sealed through a hole drilled at the top of this tank. It has just
occurred to me that the ink in the sponge may become thickened with age and
send a clog into the head when refilled - but I do not know.

For those out there (like Measkite) who just want to shout at the fact I am
looking at bulk ink refilling as opposed to OEM replacement - please don't
bother to reply to this post. We've heard all your views before and this is
not the place for a slanging match.

Thanks in advance for any sensible constructive feedback.

YOU WILL NOT FIND MUCH SENSE HERE. GO TO THE WILHEM SIGHT AND READ THE
PCWORLD WILHEM REPORT ABOUT THE TERROR OF AFTERMARKET INK.

AND ALSO BEWARE THAT MANY OF THE ADVICE YOU GET IN THIS NG COMES FROM
AFTERMARKET INK VENDORS LURKING AS POSTERS.

 

[drc023]

The 6 and 8 color models use dye ink exclusively, but the 4 and 5 tank
models (ip3000/4000 etc..) have a BCI-3ebk pigmented black tank for use in
plain paper mode. All color inks are dye based however.

 

[Prime]

measekite <[email protected]> posted the exciting message

AND ALSO BEWARE THAT MANY OF THE ADVICE YOU GET IN THIS NG COMES FROM
AFTERMARKET INK VENDORS LURKING AS POSTERS.

Also be aware that Measkite is the resident newsgroup troll. After being
released from prison, he learned to use the computer, but the hard labor
hurt his index finger and he has trouble unlocking the caps lock key. When
he forgets his meds (which is often), he goes into illogical fits of
typing. He is focused on OEM ink, because while in prison he spent ten
years making aftermarket ink. He now trolls trying to eliminate the market
for such products. He is also focused on people being graduates, because he
proudly obtained his high school equivalency while in the federal pen. I
know all of these facts because I'm using the same sources as he did above
for his statements.

 

[George E. Cawthon]

I have come to renew the cyan tank for the above printer - and although
there is a strong argument for using originals, it only seems a month ago
since this cartridge was replaced and I have not printed that much.

I can only put the huge drain down to the fact that the printer head cleans
itself every time a print is carried out.

I am wondering whether the tank BCI-6C is pigment or dye based inks, and
whether the JR Inkjet bulk refill inks are compatible (are they dye or
pigment based?)

I look at the cartridge which is reported low, and notice that there is a
vertical tank about 1/3 of the cartridge which is now devoid of ink - well
almost, and the other 2/3 of the tank is taken up with a large sponge -
probably as a mechanism to rid bubbles out of the supply to the heads.

I cannot see any reason why this chamber cannot be simply refilled carefully
and re-sealed through a hole drilled at the top of this tank. It has just
occurred to me that the ink in the sponge may become thickened with age and
send a clog into the head when refilled - but I do not know.

For those out there (like Measkite) who just want to shout at the fact I am
looking at bulk ink refilling as opposed to OEM replacement - please don't
bother to reply to this post. We've heard all your views before and this is
not the place for a slanging match.

Thanks in advance for any sensible constructive feedback.
(newsgroup replies only)

1. You don't want any tank to run dry.
2. You should refill before the non-sponge side is
dry, maybe still 1/5 full.
3. The large black tank is pigmented ink, the
others are dye.
4. Yes they are easy to refill
5. It shouldn't clean the head before each print,
but I agree that it goes through a lot of
gyrations, but part of those aren't head cleanings.

Here is a place with quite a bit of information
and reliable shipping.

http://alotofthings.com/

 

[Burt]

measekite <[email protected]> posted the exciting message

And the moon is made of green cheese, I have sighted UFOs with little green
men aboard, the man with the funny red suit and white beard comes down my
chimney with gifts each year, the easter bunny lays pink and green eggs,
etc. When the troll has no facts or logic he resorts to bold-faced,
unsubstantiated , misstatements (otherwise known as lies.)

 

[Tony]

And the moon is made of green cheese, I have sighted UFOs with little green
men aboard, the man with the funny red suit and white beard comes down my
chimney with gifts each year, the easter bunny lays pink and green eggs,
etc. When the troll has no facts or logic he resorts to bold-faced,
unsubstantiated , misstatements (otherwise known as lies.)

Hey Burt,
I get the same visitors every year, the only extra I get is the Ham with the
Green Eggs that Sam I Am brings me.
I love the man in the funny red suit, he reminds me of my youth when I was
beamed up to the local friendly UFO one Christmas and warned about trolls, they
told me that all trolls are failed human beings and should be treated with
compassion.............I am trying to do that.............really I am!
Tony

 

[measekite]

1. You don't want any tank to run dry.
2. You should refill before the non-sponge side is dry, maybe still
1/5 full.
3. The large black tank is pigmented ink, the others are dye.
4. Yes they are easy to refill

A MESSY PAIN

5. It shouldn't clean the head before each print, but I agree that it
goes through a lot of gyrations, but part of those aren't head cleanings.

Here is a place with quite a bit of information and reliable shipping.

IF YOU WANT RELIABLE INFORMATION GO TO THE CANON WEBSITE. NOT A
RELABELER WHO DOES NOT RELABEL PROPERLY. BUY A PREFILLED CART AND ASK
WHAT KIND OF INK YOU ARE GETTING. HA HA HA. YOU DO NOT KNOW AND THEY
WILL NOT TELL YOU. LOWEST BIDDER.

 

[Gary Tait]

A MESSY PAIN

Not the BCI6 style cart.

IF YOU WANT RELIABLE INFORMATION GO TO THE CANON WEBSITE. NOT A
RELABELER WHO DOES NOT RELABEL PROPERLY. BUY A PREFILLED CART AND ASK
WHAT KIND OF INK YOU ARE GETTING. HA HA HA. YOU DO NOT KNOW AND THEY
WILL NOT TELL YOU. LOWEST BIDDER.

We are talking of bulk ink here, which it is established alotofthings.com
sells a major reputable manufacturer's ink.

Canon doesn'd disclose, not has it been establiched what their
formulation or manufacturer is. And bas en on the established fact that
the less an ink manufacturer or vendor discloses, the worse they are.

 

[measekite]

Not the BCI6 style cart.

EVERY WEEK I GET RID OF A JERK AND A NEW ONE LIKE YOU TAKES THEIR PLACE.

IT IS A VERY MESSY PAIN AND A NUISANCE.

We are talking of bulk ink here, which it is established alotofthings.com
sells a major reputable manufacturer's ink.

THEY DO NOT DISCLOSE WHAT IS IN THEIR PREFILLED CARTS AND MAKE YOU HUNT
FOR THE CONTENTS OF BULK. SINCE YOU CANNOT PARTIALLY DISCLOSE YOUR
PRODUCTS AND CANNOT PARTIALLY BE PROFESSIONIAL I DO NOT THINK THEY ARE A
VERY PROFESSIOHNAL ORGANIZATION AND THEIR WEBSITE REFLECTS THAT.

Canon doesn'd disclose,

THEY ARE WHAT YOU MEASURE EVERYTHING AGAINST. TAKE THE FINDER OUT AND
WASH IT.

not has it been establiched what their
formulation or manufacturer is.

I DO NOT THINK THE 2 HERMISPHERES OF YOUR MIND ARE LINKED.

And bas en on the established fact that
the less an ink manufacturer or vendor discloses, the worse they are.

SNIP
NOTHING WORTHWHILE AFTER THIS.

 

[zakezuke]

Measkite said... the usual <snipped per request>

The only *jerk* here with all due respect, is you sir. I just looked
on the alotofthings website and guess what they well the following
brands

BCI-3e & BCI-6 Compatible: Brand ArrowJet/SkyHorse
BCI-3e & BCI-6 Compatible: Brand Butterfly Print Image
BCI-3e & BCI-6 Compatible: Brand G&G
BCI-3e & BCI-6 Compatible: Brand MMC
BCI-3e & BCI-6 Compatible: Brand MyInk
BCI-3e & BCI-6 Compatible: Brand Nectron
BCI-3e & BCI-6 Compatible: Brand ProColor
BCI-3e & BCI-6 Compatible: Brand VVG

And guess what one of those brands was reviewed by the recent article
you posted... in PCworld no less, and listed as being comparable to
Epson's ink for the stylus c82. So you would reccomend alotofthings
because they sell a brand that was actually reviewed by PCworld?

 

[Gary Tait]

Gary Tait wrote:


IT IS A VERY MESSY PAIN AND A NUISANCE.

Only for the idiots that don't know what they are doing.

THEY DO NOT DISCLOSE WHAT IS IN THEIR PREFILLED CARTS AND MAKE YOU
HUNT FOR THE CONTENTS OF BULK. SINCE YOU CANNOT PARTIALLY DISCLOSE
YOUR PRODUCTS AND CANNOT PARTIALLY BE PROFESSIONIAL I DO NOT THINK
THEY ARE A VERY PROFESSIOHNAL ORGANIZATION AND THEIR WEBSITE REFLECTS
THAT.

The info is there if you look, except for OEM.
They are very professional businesses.

 

[measekite]

Only for the idiots that don't know what they are doing.

SO THEN YOU DO ADMIT THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

 

[Frank]

Only for the idiots that don't know what they are doing.



The info is there if you look, except for OEM.
They are very professional businesses.

Whoa Gary...that's far too much info for that brain dead ****wit moron
to read and if he succeeds in reading it count on zero comprehension.
He is a real loser!
Frank

 

[Prime]

SO THEN YOU DO ADMIT THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

He knows what he is doing. You are so illogical you can't even defend
your posts. Must have been all those years in prison.

 

[Gary Tait]

SO THEN YOU DO ADMIT THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

No idiots. Like you.

 

[measekite]

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No idiots. Like you.

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