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Bill Frisbee
Considering Vista is based off of the guts Windows Server 2003, your view is
already seriously flawed.
Bill F.
already seriously flawed.
Bill F.
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Jeff
Bill,
Just as a note; and this is copyed from you if it's ok
" Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth connections...
Wireless has been completely redone and is much more capable than that in
XP."
It may be integrated with ipv6;and has fine tuning optimization built
in; but at this point; there's WAY lotsa bugs in the network stack-still.
Go look at vista networking-still issues;wpa isnt resolved; one connect is
inadequate for most users now-as many people have home networks etc...-
still lotsa work to be done in network. That's all; not knocking Vista about
this;cuz network's a tough cookie to get just right;but as of today; XP's
network stack-minus ipv6;works much better than Vista's.
Wireless has a ways to go yet;but I assume their working on it.
Not that it won't be better;just not as of today.
Jeff
Just as a note; and this is copyed from you if it's ok
" Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth connections...
Wireless has been completely redone and is much more capable than that in
XP."
It may be integrated with ipv6;and has fine tuning optimization built
in; but at this point; there's WAY lotsa bugs in the network stack-still.
Go look at vista networking-still issues;wpa isnt resolved; one connect is
inadequate for most users now-as many people have home networks etc...-
still lotsa work to be done in network. That's all; not knocking Vista about
this;cuz network's a tough cookie to get just right;but as of today; XP's
network stack-minus ipv6;works much better than Vista's.
Wireless has a ways to go yet;but I assume their working on it.
Not that it won't be better;just not as of today.
Jeff
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Guest
Damn! Bill's just knocking them out of the park today.
Bill, I said earlier that I like your style. It is about damn time someone
started bouncing back at the haters.
My view of Vista; Faster, more secure, better with networking, user
friendly, and stupid combatting. Not to mention, more visually appealing.
to me, it is easy an 8 out of 10 on my scales. my only question is "What
will they come up with next?" How are they going to top this?
Rock on Bill, Beers for you.
Bill, I said earlier that I like your style. It is about damn time someone
started bouncing back at the haters.
My view of Vista; Faster, more secure, better with networking, user
friendly, and stupid combatting. Not to mention, more visually appealing.
to me, it is easy an 8 out of 10 on my scales. my only question is "What
will they come up with next?" How are they going to top this?
Rock on Bill, Beers for you.
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Guest
Travis you are soo coool! Top Desk works better than the 3D flip in Vista!
Thank You!
Thank You!
J
Jeff
hmm,
ok
haters-maybe some-but not here-actually;other than wireless and networking
issues; and(EULA and SPP-but thats for a diff thread)
I love vista.
Networking will be worked out;and i can turn off uac if i wish
Won't go back to xp-if those other"bothersome" issues are worked out.
Jeff
ok
haters-maybe some-but not here-actually;other than wireless and networking
issues; and(EULA and SPP-but thats for a diff thread)
I love vista.
Networking will be worked out;and i can turn off uac if i wish
Won't go back to xp-if those other"bothersome" issues are worked out.
Jeff
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Alexander Suhovey
-----Original Message-----
Jon,
There's a lot of information on ths subject. Please do some research
will you. A list of new features and enhancements alone would probably
keep you busy reading thru for several minutes.
Here's a couple of links to help you get started:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/vista/default.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=bbc16ebf-4823-4
a12-afe1-5b40b2ad3725&DisplayLang=en
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/evaluate/overvw.mspx
From: Jon Acord [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:28 AM
Posted To: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Conversation: Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista
Subject: Re: Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista
What do mean by: however the level of advantages that Vista gives
over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.
Bill, tell me HOW Vista has advantages over XP?
Jon,
There's a lot of information on ths subject. Please do some research
will you. A list of new features and enhancements alone would probably
keep you busy reading thru for several minutes.
Here's a couple of links to help you get started:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/vista/default.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=bbc16ebf-4823-4
a12-afe1-5b40b2ad3725&DisplayLang=en
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/evaluate/overvw.mspx
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Alexander Suhovey
-----Original Message-----
Do I even need to explain?
You cannot copy a 20 lbs. hamburger. You cannot make a backup just in
case you are not sure if you're a good cook. You cannot have it for
dinner, then give it to your friend and granma, then go to the
restaurant and share it with everybody.
If software vendors could do that 100% effectively there would be no
need in any EULAs. There would be no piracy too.
From: SESSION_EVENT [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: Sunday, October 22, 2006 5:48 PM
Posted To: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Conversation: Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista
Subject: Re: Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista
Why not make analogy to physical entities?
Do I even need to explain?
You cannot copy a 20 lbs. hamburger. You cannot make a backup just in
case you are not sure if you're a good cook. You cannot have it for
dinner, then give it to your friend and granma, then go to the
restaurant and share it with everybody.
Microsoft "ties" the software to hardware.
If software vendors could do that 100% effectively there would be no
need in any EULAs. There would be no piracy too.
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Alexander Suhovey
-----Original Message-----
I doubt MS can compete with pirates that way. If a DVD with every
version of MS OSes is available for less than $10, you can't beat that
with any reasonable discount. If people for decades are buying software
for the price near that of physical media, no discounts alone will make
them change their mind.
As for emerging markets, Microsoft already has a couple of options
(watch line wrapping in URLs):
1. Starter Editions
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/newsroom/winxp/WinXPStarterFS.mspx
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/65697c86-c855-444b-8
02a-22da5ac384b81033.mspx
2. New "FlexGo" licensing model
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/flexgo/default.mspx
From: ceebezee [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: Monday, October 23, 2006 3:55 AM
Posted To: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Conversation: Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista
Subject: Re: Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista
Hi, I am one of the person from a developing nation known for its rampant
piracy of windows software. One solution for all this is for microsoft to
price its software accordingly. They know the percapita income of the nation
and should price it accordingly. This would greatly reduce piracy.
I doubt MS can compete with pirates that way. If a DVD with every
version of MS OSes is available for less than $10, you can't beat that
with any reasonable discount. If people for decades are buying software
for the price near that of physical media, no discounts alone will make
them change their mind.
As for emerging markets, Microsoft already has a couple of options
(watch line wrapping in URLs):
1. Starter Editions
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/newsroom/winxp/WinXPStarterFS.mspx
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/65697c86-c855-444b-8
02a-22da5ac384b81033.mspx
2. New "FlexGo" licensing model
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/flexgo/default.mspx
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Alexander Suhovey
-----Original Message-----
Jon, wake up already. It's not MS, it's Copyright/IP law. EULAs are
everywhere and all of them have little to none regarding user rights and
vendor guarantees. If you don't like that go write your congressmen o
whatever it is called in your country, do not waste your and our time
here.
From: Jon Acord [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: Monday, October 23, 2006 12:38 AM
Posted To: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Conversation: Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista
Subject: Re: Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista
Microsoft is telling us according to the EULA that we do not own the
software. We have very few rights.
Jon, wake up already. It's not MS, it's Copyright/IP law. EULAs are
everywhere and all of them have little to none regarding user rights and
vendor guarantees. If you don't like that go write your congressmen o
whatever it is called in your country, do not waste your and our time
here.
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Phil Miller
Too complicated for most users.
Interestingly enough I tried out a Linux Distro from freespire.org and it is
amazingly simple and completely free. It also includes a free click and run
with access to hundreds of free applications and games as well as 'for sale'
software. This looks really promising and could be a realistic alternative.
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Alias~-
Rick said:Practical and really having one are two different things.
True. So?
Microsoft was
able to successfully market their product regardless of cheaper
alternatives.
Piracy helped them immensely by saturating the market with 95/98/W2K.
Part of that was providing interoperability with a wider
range of applications and hardware support. In an open market, the
consumer chooses who leads the pack.
Sure. "Customers can have any color they want as long as it's black", H.
Ford.
As a result, Microsoft now enjoys a
market dominance, and can command compatibility for any that want their
product to succeed. At least until the consumer decides to change their
habits.
They will and Vista will be the catalyst.
That is a choice issue.
No, it's an *economic* issue.
Some argue that Windows is too expensive, yet
people continue to buy it regardless of price. A Mercedes is a choice,
but many purchase a Ford instead.
I don't think Windows is too expensive if it would allow you to upgrade
your computer. I just don't like the "you're a pirate until you prove
otherwise" trip and there is no good reason why paying customers have to
play the cat and mouse game that MS has with pirates. As someone who is
constantly upgrading his computer, the price of Vista is outrageous,
highway robbery!
Not really, most of the releases in the past 4-5 years are fairly user
friendly, even for the novice. A bigger problem is porting applications,
but as more get on board there may be a change in the market. What linux
needs is a deal with a major manufacturer, given that and ease of use
they may gain a foothold with the non-geek consumers.
I'm going to be trying out Ubuntu and see if what everyone says is true.
Alias
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Alias~-
Phil said:Interestingly enough I tried out a Linux Distro from freespire.org and
it is amazingly simple and completely free. It also includes a free
click and run with access to hundreds of free applications and games as
well as 'for sale' software. This looks really promising and could be a
realistic alternative.
I just got my Ubuntu CD in the mail and soon I will be testing it on
another box.
Alias
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SESSION_EVENT
THEN you are missing the point of a computer.
A computer is a machine you run software on. Any software you want. Software
isn't "tied" to a machine. The machine runs whatever it is you want it to.
Reprogrammable they call it. "Tying" software to it defeats the purpose, the
very nature of the reprogrammable computer!
Microsoft brought up the issue of "tying" software to a computer and making
the SOFTWARE "one" with the hardware, not me. Sure, it's not hamburger, but
they are attemtpting to make it like hamburger. Only they don't want to be
inspected for the quality of the hamburger, nor held accountable should the
hamburger be bad and poison someone. They want it both was in terms of
limits and restrictions and placed on you and neither way when it comes to
responsibility and accountablility.
Personally, I think software should be strictly copyright as in a book. You
don't need to buy a new book just because you buy a new reading chair. Terms
should be that simple even if it requires legislation to make it so.
Copyright protection should come into place at the time of sale/installation
not as an ongoing invasion of privacy and certainly the SOFTWARE should not
be able to seize your personal documents and papers. That is the job of the
state should it ever have to obtain a warrant to do so.
A computer is a machine you run software on. Any software you want. Software
isn't "tied" to a machine. The machine runs whatever it is you want it to.
Reprogrammable they call it. "Tying" software to it defeats the purpose, the
very nature of the reprogrammable computer!
Microsoft brought up the issue of "tying" software to a computer and making
the SOFTWARE "one" with the hardware, not me. Sure, it's not hamburger, but
they are attemtpting to make it like hamburger. Only they don't want to be
inspected for the quality of the hamburger, nor held accountable should the
hamburger be bad and poison someone. They want it both was in terms of
limits and restrictions and placed on you and neither way when it comes to
responsibility and accountablility.
Personally, I think software should be strictly copyright as in a book. You
don't need to buy a new book just because you buy a new reading chair. Terms
should be that simple even if it requires legislation to make it so.
Copyright protection should come into place at the time of sale/installation
not as an ongoing invasion of privacy and certainly the SOFTWARE should not
be able to seize your personal documents and papers. That is the job of the
state should it ever have to obtain a warrant to do so.
Alexander said:-----Original Message-----
From: SESSION_EVENT [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: Sunday, October 22, 2006 5:48 PM
Posted To: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Conversation: Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista
Subject: Re: Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista
Alexander Suhovey wrote:
Imagine if you went to Kroger and bought 20 lbs.
Please stop trying to make analogies with physical entities. It
does not make any sence. Software is not a physical object you
buy from vendor and you don't own it.
Why not make analogy to physical entities?
Do I even need to explain?
You cannot copy a 20 lbs. hamburger. You cannot make a backup just in
case you are not sure if you're a good cook. You cannot have it for
dinner, then give it to your friend and granma, then go to the
restaurant and share it with everybody.
Microsoft "ties" the software to hardware.
If software vendors could do that 100% effectively there would be no
need in any EULAs. There would be no piracy too.
S
SESSION_EVENT
Just to look at Vista seems much like XP. But under the hood Vista is a big
technical improvement and in several ways more secure against a number of
attacks. Once the Vista driver / software scene is smoother, and if its EULA
returns to good sense, Vista would be a no-brainer upgrade because it would
go far to protect a corporation /small-business/ home from breach.
technical improvement and in several ways more secure against a number of
attacks. Once the Vista driver / software scene is smoother, and if its EULA
returns to good sense, Vista would be a no-brainer upgrade because it would
go far to protect a corporation /small-business/ home from breach.
Alexander said:-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Acord [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:28 AM
Posted To: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Conversation: Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista
Subject: Re: Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista
What do mean by: however the level of advantages that Vista gives
over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.
Bill, tell me HOW Vista has advantages over XP?
Jon,
There's a lot of information on ths subject. Please do some research
will you. A list of new features and enhancements alone would
probably keep you busy reading thru for several minutes.
Here's a couple of links to help you get started:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/vista/default.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=bbc16ebf-4823-4
a12-afe1-5b40b2ad3725&DisplayLang=en
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/evaluate/overvw.mspx
A
Alexander Suhovey
-----Original Message-----
that was exactly and only my point.
with anything? Nobody forces you to buy a new OS if your working chair
is broken. OS is not installed on the chair neither a novel is printed
on it.
From: SESSION_EVENT [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:35 PM
Posted To: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Conversation: Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista
Subject: Re: Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista
THEN you are missing the point of a computer.
Microsoft brought up the issue of "tying" software to a computer and making
the SOFTWARE "one" with the hardware, not me. Sure, it's not hamburger, but
they are attemtpting to make it like hamburger. Only they don't want to be
inspected for the quality of the hamburger, nor held accountable should the
hamburger be bad and poison someone. They want it both was in terms of
Maybe you're right on that one. But you said "it's not hamburger" andlimits and restrictions and placed on you and neither way when it comes to
responsibility and accountablility.
that was exactly and only my point.
That's another example of weak analogy. What does a chair have to doPersonally, I think software should be strictly copyright as in a book. You
don't need to buy a new book just because you buy a new reading chair.
with anything? Nobody forces you to buy a new OS if your working chair
is broken. OS is not installed on the chair neither a novel is printed
on it.
S
SESSION_EVENT
OK Eye Glasses then.. Just because you get new reading glasses with which to
read the book, and just as you get a new computer with which to read the
software.
i.e. Just because I get a new pair of reading glasses to read the book
doesn't mean I have to get a new book. And just because I get a new computer
to read the software doesn't mean I should have to get new software.
'Have a nice one.
read the book, and just as you get a new computer with which to read the
software.
i.e. Just because I get a new pair of reading glasses to read the book
doesn't mean I have to get a new book. And just because I get a new computer
to read the software doesn't mean I should have to get new software.
'Have a nice one.
Alexander said:-----Original Message-----
From: SESSION_EVENT [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:35 PM
Posted To: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Conversation: Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista
Subject: Re: Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista
THEN you are missing the point of a computer.
Microsoft brought up the issue of "tying" software to a computer
and making the SOFTWARE "one" with the hardware, not me. Sure, it's
not hamburger, but they are attemtpting to make it like hamburger.
Only they don't want to be inspected for the quality of the
hamburger, nor held accountable should the hamburger be bad and
poison someone. They want it both was in terms ofMaybe you're right on that one. But you said "it's not hamburger" andlimits and restrictions and placed on you and neither way when it
comes to responsibility and accountablility.
that was exactly and only my point.
That's another example of weak analogy. What does a chair have to doPersonally, I think software should be strictly copyright as in a
book. You don't need to buy a new book just because you buy a new
reading chair.
with anything? Nobody forces you to buy a new OS if your working
chair is broken. OS is not installed on the chair neither a novel is
printed on it.
A
Alexander Suhovey
-----Original Message-----
So, you didn't bite "neither a novel is printed on it" hint.
Sorry, I cannot continue this conversation, this is starting to be
ridiculous...
From: SESSION_EVENT [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: Monday, October 23, 2006 6:22 PM
Posted To: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Conversation: Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista
Subject: Re: Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista
OK Eye Glasses then..
So, you didn't bite "neither a novel is printed on it" hint.
Sorry, I cannot continue this conversation, this is starting to be
ridiculous...
S
SESSION_EVENT
LOL
CD-ROM media ??
CD-ROM media ??
Alexander said:-----Original Message-----
From: SESSION_EVENT [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: Monday, October 23, 2006 6:22 PM
Posted To: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Conversation: Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista
Subject: Re: Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista
OK Eye Glasses then..
So, you didn't bite "neither a novel is printed on it" hint.
Sorry, I cannot continue this conversation, this is starting to be
ridiculous...
R
RJK
Windows Millenium was a heap of crap, (as you rightly, in as many words,
say), so I stick to my contention that XP, (after, in my case, a LONG
acclimatisation), turned out to be significantly superior to W98 / W98se.
If nothing else, the much larger number of drivers bundled with XP made
installation significantly smoother. The efforts in XP to contain a
crash/ing/ed program without halting the whole OS was also a major
improvement.
regards, Richard
say), so I stick to my contention that XP, (after, in my case, a LONG
acclimatisation), turned out to be significantly superior to W98 / W98se.
If nothing else, the much larger number of drivers bundled with XP made
installation significantly smoother. The efforts in XP to contain a
crash/ing/ed program without halting the whole OS was also a major
improvement.
regards, Richard
R
RJK
....not sure what your point is, or perhaps you were respponding to the OP
and not me ?
regards, Richard
and not me ?
regards, Richard
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