Reasons Why you should not Migrate to Windows Vista

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Clint

They don't have a monopoly, and they're not the only place in town. Go buy
a Mac. Use Linux.

Clint
 
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Guest

You don't starve... you simply eat spaghetti, just like Bill wants you to.

Hile Microsoft!
 
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Travis King

My opinion on XP vs. Vista is, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". In
XP, things just worked. Vista, there seems to be more things about it you
have to do before things work like they once did in XP. My opinion is,
unless you're going to utilize Vista's new features, there's little or no
reason to upgrade. But then again, when you think about it, many of Vista's
main features are or will be backported into XP or already exist in other
third-party softwares. Windows Defender, Windows Media Player 11, IE7,
Sidebar, and the like.
Also, if you want Flip-3D on XP and are willing to pay for it, get
TopDesk or use the trial for free for 30 days. If you want live thumbnail
tabs, get the powertoy from Microsoft that allows you to do so. If you want
window shadows, get the YZ shadow software (free) - I've figured out how to
get it to startup with Windows. If you want Aero Glass or similar, get
WindowBlinds. If you want most of the search features of Vista, download
Microsoft's Desktop Search. If you want the Sidebar, there are many
third-party sidebar programs out there for free, and I've heard rumors that
even Vista's sidebar will be coming to XP eventually. If you want the Aero
Cursors, just copy them from Vista and put them on XP - whether it's "legal"
or not, that's another question. If you want the wallpapers from Vista,
just copy them from Vista and put them on XP. You pretty much in most ways
can turn XP into Vista, only more stable and not as heavy on resources.
Now I'm not saying you shouldn't buy Vista, I'm just saying that most of
the advantages Vista has to offer can be had on XP.
 
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Guest

Jon

Due to all I've been reading last couple of Days I'm thinking of opting out
of being a Beta tester for Vista RC2.
What is the point of testing a program That I will most likely not buy
unless I hear MS has changed the limit of two installs.Once Vista is released
I'll call MS and get the truth straight from the "Horses mouth" and if all
that I've read still holds true I will voice my disappointment.

Dan
 
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Ray

Dan, if you do call and get 'some sort of truth' from MS could you please
get back here and report. I'm thinking along the same lines in regards to
getting Vista, I know that at some point in the distant future I'll have to
get it, and that's no consolation at all.
 
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Guest

Right...I vividly recall when I 'upgraded' from Windows 98 SE to the New
Windows millinium...after a while, and a few hundred BSODs, I decided it was
not superior to 98. In fact, anything but the word 'superior' came to
mind... LMAO ;-)
 
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Bill Frisbee

Jon Acord said:
1. Right Bill. Protect the poor uninformed User from themselves. Is
that
what you mean? Obviously the end User isn't smart enough to do this on
its
own, right smart guy?

So far, apparently. Either the majority of users don't care enough to look
at what they get in a link before clicking it, or letting something run
willy-nilly on said systems. It wasn't really till SP2 for XP that people
started paying attention to Windows Update, and only then because it
would/could force you to do so.

2. More than half of my programs were not compatible with Vista's Aero
look. The annoying switch back and forth between Aero and Windows
standard
was flaky, and more than a little annoying.

And that is Microsoft's fault how? If you were running a 16 bit program on
64 bit Windows (not that you can anyways) is that Microsoft's fault it
doesn't work? Nope, it's the app developer. Its not hard to make things
Vista compatible.

3. You are very wrong about this. There is something called 'common
sense'. Check out task manger when running the same program with Vista,
as
opposed to XP. Vista does use much more.

No it doesn't. My common apps are Office, World of Warcraft, IL-2 Sturmovik,
IE and WMP. All of them use about the same as when on XP.
4. I do not agree. Vista's prices are MUCH higher. The full version of
Vista Ultimate is listed as $400.00 plus at Amazon. Microsoft recently
had
Amazon pull the prices, probably because they intend to raise them,
again....$$$ M$

You need to check your math again. XP Pro is not the equivalent package as
Windows Vista Ultimate.
5. Wrong. My Documents exit, I moved my Folder over from XP. It was
silly
to eliminate it. Let me get this straight, in your own words...locking
out
operating system files for the average joe is a good thing? Maybe in your
case, this is true.

Please read up a bit more on My Document behaviour under Vista and get back
to me OK?
Locking out OS files for the Average Joe is a VERY good thing. To think
otherwise is a bit naive.
6. Slippage? Well then, maybe the price should slip too.

The equivalent Vista version is slightly LESS expensive than XP.
7. For the same reason that people moved to say, Windows Millinium?
Everyone should remember Microsoft;s problem child. Windows Millinium was
a
disgrace. So no, Just because a new OS comes out does not mean everyone
should rush in to upgrade.

This is true in some cases, however the level of advantages that Vista gives
over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.
8. EULA is totally unfair. Nowhere with any previous version of the
Windows OS with a retail copy the User was able to move it to a new PC, as
long as they had uninstalled the old one, or it no longer existed. Vista
represents GREED, not need, or security.

As I said I have not read the EULA yet, and won't comment till I do.


Bill F.
 
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Guest

Hoping_for_better said:
Yeah!, not 2 seconds on this web site for the first time and I already find
the typical "You can't tell me what to do, I'll use your product at little or
no cost, I don't care if you spent millions so I can have all the featrures
and benefits, you have the audacity to actually ask money for it since
millions are stealing it and that s WHY we have to take drastic measures,
thank you very much" Good to see this web site is no different than most
others. As the saying goes "no good deed will go unpunished". Thanks!

Re-read the original post. The main complaint is really NOT the price
(other than it is 2-3 times what previous XP was for comparable versions) it
is the discrepancy between the promises and hype over the last 5 years of
development compared to what is coming out. They promised a Ferrari (sleek,
fancy, top of the line), delivered a Hummer (clunky resource hog) and are
charging for a Mercedes.

I too have a retail copy of XP and it has been migrated through may
motherboards and processors. I have a side business fixing computers, so
when I upgrade, the old parts are sold to clients. I get my upgrade mostly
paid for, they get a better computer and everyone is happy. Note that I do
NOT sell or try to install my copy of XP on their computer - they want XP,
they buy their own copy which I will help them shop for.

The nature of computer hardware is change. To have a retail EULA read like
a OEM (bulk discount priced) EULA rankles. The geeks that like to try new
things are the driving force of the market changes. What was cutting edge 2
years ago is in the Walmart specials today - because enough cutting edge
people (read - geeks) were enthused about it.

Microsoft makes games. Microsoft makes hardware. Now they are making an OS
that is DISCOURAGING people from trying new things because while $80 for a
game and $200 for a new video card may be doable, the chance that another
change will trigger the need for another $400 OS isn't reality.
 
R

Rick Rogers

They don't have a monopoly,
For all practical purposes they do.

Practical and really having one are two different things. Microsoft was able
to successfully market their product regardless of cheaper alternatives.
Part of that was providing interoperability with a wider range of
applications and hardware support. In an open market, the consumer chooses
who leads the pack. As a result, Microsoft now enjoys a market dominance,
and can command compatibility for any that want their product to succeed. At
least until the consumer decides to change their habits.
Too expensive.

That is a choice issue. Some argue that Windows is too expensive, yet people
continue to buy it regardless of price. A Mercedes is a choice, but many
purchase a Ford instead.
Too complicated for most users.

Not really, most of the releases in the past 4-5 years are fairly user
friendly, even for the novice. A bigger problem is porting applications, but
as more get on board there may be a change in the market. What linux needs
is a deal with a major manufacturer, given that and ease of use they may
gain a foothold with the non-geek consumers.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
 
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Guest

Quotes from ‘The Matrix’ 1999

Cypher: You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it
in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy, and delicious.
After nine years, you know what I realise? Ignorance is bliss.

Microsoft is telling us according to the EULA that we do not own the
software. We have very few rights.

I want everyone to check out this link: in detail it outlines the EULA.

Fair Warning:
you are a slave Neo, like everyone else, you were born into bondage, born
into a prison that you can not smell or taste or touch. A prison for your
mind. Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see
what it is for yourself. This is your last chance. After this there is no
turning back. You take the blue pill the story ends. You wake up in bed and
believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill you stay in
Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember, all I'm
offering is the truth, nothing more."

http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archi...tas_windows_licensing_disserves_the_user.html
 
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SESSION_EVENT

The terms, which I'm reading now are not really tolerable. What I mean to
say is that it is not something as sane free person would knowingly
willingly agree to under almost any circumstance.

But I'm having the same problem with the invasive terms of the Windows Vista
EULA. While Vista is a great OS and I'm enjoying the RCs. I removed it from
my "main" computer already as the upcoming terms are unacceptable to me. I'm
running an older version of Windows instead, with an EULA I can tolerate.
What I will do in the future, I'm not sure. Perhaps Microsoft will relent
and respect the customer and not view her or him as some sort of surf
unequal beneath them.

 
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Guest

What do mean by: however the level of advantages that Vista gives
over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.

Bill, tell me HOW Vista has advantages over XP? Such as when one migrated
from Windows 3.1 to Win 95? I seriously doubt that. It it the Macintosh
like graphics? No? You tell me. Make it good.
 
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Bill Frisbee

Lets start with security (via service hardening, improved firewall, and user
level network access protection), UAC and malware protection via integrated
Windows Defender thru Security Center. Protected mode

Add a few dashes of totally integrated search thru all levels

Some Flip 3D and Windows Flip... easier to master GUI that makes better
sense than 9x/2000/XP and is more stable as well.

Speed enhancements via ReadyBoost, SuperFetch and ReadyDrive, lets not
forget total 64-bit versions available fully optimized for 64 bit goodness
on x64 (yes I am aware XP does have a 64 bit version, but we all know it's
not near what Vista can do even in RC stage).

Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth connections...
Wireless has been completely redone and is much more capable than that in
XP.

BitLocker.

Integrated Media Center with extenders.

Major leaps in laptop computing over XP with closer integration of
functionalities for laptop computing needs.


If you honestly think Vista looks anything like MacOS X you really haven't
used either.


Bill F.
 
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Dustin

I found this post amusing... so short sighted... "OMIGOD IT'S DIFFERENT THEN
XP RUN AWAY"... get real. Anyhow I just wanted to respond to each of this
persons complaints...

Jon Acord said:
1. UAP. User account protection. This annoying feature will have you
answering yes or no questions endlessly until you put it out of it's
misery
in user accounts. (Turn it off for God's sake). The bad news, then, is
that
UAP is a sad, sad joke. It's the most annoying feature that Microsoft has
ever added to any software product, and yes, that includes that ridiculous
Clippy character from older Office versions.

Yes... this feature is god awful annoying. It's needs a major overhall. As
of now it does nothing but cause aggrovations.
2. The 'Aero Look'. Another annoying feature. Why? Every single time I
open
a program Vista informs me that it is switching to basic windows. The
screen
'pops'. This is very disturbing. (I have tested this since it was named
'Longhorn'.

Well, the only program I've run into that's done this is Windows Media
Player Classic. And the reason it was doing it was because it was displaying
video as an overlay. I jsust disabled that and the "popping" went away. I am
going to assume that Aero works the same way as Quartz Extreme for MacOS X.
Aero and Quartz are 3rd generation display technologies. And basically both
render the screen using 3D acceleration. Basically everything is 3D textured
object. Video would be mapped on to the side of an object. An overlay is
drawn to the screen completely differently, therefore a mode switch is
needed.

Anyhow using a 3D object based graphical enviroment you can do some pretty
nifty things. Like distort, resize, warp, whatever UI objects.
3. Vista requires roughly 3 times the RAM that XP uses to do the same
thing.
Unless your PC is at least 3 GHz with 2 Gigs of RAM it'll move like
molasses
in the wintertime.

If you have a PC a year old or younger, you should have 2 gigs of RAM.
Listen... people don't seem to understand that you can never have too much
RAM. 1GB is puny. I suggest 4GBs or more. Vista supports up to 64 GBs, and
yes it's likely to reach that amount within it's five year life time.
4. The price. WHY is it so over priced? The upgrade to Vista Ultimate
alone
is listed at Amazon.com for $259.00.

Well it's supposed to last five years,,, Apple sells a new version of OS X
once a year for $100. Course there is only one version of OS X, and it
changes much more rapidly then Windows.
5. No access to basic windows files. I am locked out of folders like 'My
Documents'. Microsoft has decided that the average User is too stupid to
allow access to certain “Windows†files. This is insulting. I am offended.
I
know security is an issue and all, but locking a person out of their own
document files is not the answer. The User is locked into a Roaming
profile,
thus they are disallowed access.

Microsoft has always tried to keep people from browsing disk drive and
folders such as the Program Files and Windows directories. They are too lazy
to clean up these folders and make them easy to navigate. So they just hide
them under a vail of cloth. But they've never limited access to user
directories.
6. Broken promises
Windows Vista was going to include a completely rewritten file system,
based
on SQL Server and once called Storage+. Later renamed to WinFS, this file
system was downgraded to a "storage engine," meaning that it would, in
fact,
run on top of the decades-old NTFS file system. Then WinFS was stripped
out
of Windows Vista because the performance was so horrible.

Yeah this sucks. They don't ever make use of NTFS very well. I was really
hoping for better metadata support. But Windows + metadata = wishful
thinking.
7. The pain of migration. And why not just stay with Windows Xp? At least
all of my programs work. Think: what big advantage are you getting?
Security?
I don't know...with a good Firewall and anti-virus you're all set.

Yes migration sucks. It always sucks on Windows. Migration on MacOS X is so
easy. Why can't Windows be more like that.
8. EULA. The EULA on a retail copy now states that VISTA can only be
activated twice. If I decide to build a new PC a third time, Microsoft in
effect is telling me to shell out another $400.00 for Vista Premium. My
original disc becomes a very expensive coaster. XP (and all previous
WINDOWS) allowed a retail copy to be moved as many times as you wished. I
like to upgrade to the latest hardware. In the five years I have owned my
retail XP, I have gone from the original P3  P4 2gHz* P4 3gHz  P4
3.2gHz*
 dual Xeon 2.4gHz*  dual Xeon 2.8gHz  dual Xeon 3.2gHz*  dual Xeon
3.4gHz
(64bit)*. (* are new motherboards too.) That’s 8 different processors
and 6
motherboards. Oh and several new hard drives along the way as well. With
Vista, I would be stuck at the P4 2gHz.

Yeah well whatever they said, doesn't mean they're going to inforce it. I
mean I was able to install a single copy of Windows XP on at least six
different machines. Microsoft doesn't care. Though this is assuming your an
end user consumer (the bottem of the food chain).
 
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Guest

Bill Bill Bill, Everything you have mentioned can be had with a Good Firewall
and antivirus protection. There is no real reason anyone needs Windows Vista
and the baggage Microsoft has attached to it. You're sitting there telling
me this upgrade is as important as going from Windows 3.1 to Win 95. This
simply is not true....Windows Xp can do everything anyone needs to do within
reason. Vista is simply bloatware. C'mon..admit it! Microsoft had to
cancel the original project and rename it to Vista...its a failed project. I
will never downgrade to it.
 
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Alias~-

Jon said:
Bill Bill Bill, Everything you have mentioned can be had with a Good Firewall
and antivirus protection. There is no real reason anyone needs Windows Vista
and the baggage Microsoft has attached to it. You're sitting there telling
me this upgrade is as important as going from Windows 3.1 to Win 95. This
simply is not true....Windows Xp can do everything anyone needs to do within
reason. Vista is simply bloatware. C'mon..admit it! Microsoft had to
cancel the original project and rename it to Vista...its a failed project. I
will never downgrade to it.

Sorta like this:

NT = 95
W2K = 98
XP = 98SE
Vista = Me?

Alias
 
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Steve Urbach

. Right Bill. Protect the poor uninformed User from themselves. Is that
what you mean? Obviously the end User isn't smart enough to do this on its
own, right smart guy?
It's not just the uninformed User.

The bad guys are trying to "tailgate" through whatever security
(including eyeball Mk I) that you have.
I consider myself informed, but if you do a sneaky install like Sony
did (every Sony DVD I own has files that try to install *IF* you PLACE
it a DVD drive in a computer running Windows with Autorun enabled).

UAC warns me about "sneaks".
A 'Trojan' program tries to get you to give the OK by telling you it
is installing the program you WANT while adding in one you DON'T want.
Sony = Sneak
 
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Guest

Hi, I am one of the person from a developing nation known for its rampant
piracy of windows software. One solution for all this is for microsoft to
price its software accordingly. They know the percapita income of the nation
and should price it accordingly. This would greatly reduce piracy. Moreover
I for one request Microsoft to reword its EULA and allow atleast 5 times for
the hardware to be upgraded with a single installation of Vista.
 
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Bill Frisbee

Jon, Jon, Jon, if you are only going to respond to one section, you ain't
playing by the rules....

How the holy heck does a good firewall and AV give you:
Add a few dashes of totally integrated search thru all levels

Some Flip 3D and Windows Flip... easier to master GUI that makes better
sense than 9x/2000/XP and is more stable as well.

Speed enhancements via ReadyBoost, SuperFetch and ReadyDrive, lets not
forget total 64-bit versions available fully optimized for 64 bit goodness
on x64 (yes I am aware XP does have a 64 bit version, but we all know it's
not near what Vista can do even in RC stage).

Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth connections...
Wireless has been completely redone and is much more capable than that in
XP.

BitLocker.

Integrated Media Center with extenders.

Major leaps in laptop computing over XP with closer integration of
functionalities for laptop computing needs.

Comments?

Bill F.
 

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