Random Network drop out issue

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Hi Jeff,

Thanks for all your help to date. I have issued the command:

arp -s 192.168.252.254 00-02-a5-02-44-bd


Will this command persist over a reboot or should i reissue it if I
reboot?

Cheers

-Al
 
Thanks for all your help to date.

We're not done yet. I wanna know what's causing the reconnection
problem. (Curiosity kills cats and hacks).
I have issued the command:
arp -s 192.168.252.254 00-02-a5-02-44-bd
Will this command persist over a reboot or should i reissue it if I
reboot?

Well, that was easy enough to try. No, it doesn't persist through a
reboot.

Make a batch file with the above arp -s command line in it.
Drop it into the:

c:\Documents and Settings\your_login\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\

directory. If you have more than one user of the machine, instead of
the your_login directory use the:

c:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\
 
So far so good - but will have to wait at least another 24 hours to be
certain....

Bah. I want instant gratification.

Try running FreePing to both your gateway and some distant server to
see if they're up or down.
<http://www.tools4ever.com/products/free/freeping/>
Make sure your computer doesn't go standby, hibernate, or comatose.
Keep it running overnight. You can edit each entry to set how often
it pings. The default is every 30 seconds. By morning, you should
have a clue as to how well your connection is running.
 
Ok here we go,

I setup two cmd windows with a ping every 30 seconds. The first window
pinged my dns gateway, the second www.google.com.

The results are:

DNS SERVER:
Pinging 192.168.252.254 with 32 bytes of data every 30000 ms:

On 5 seperate occasions I get the following set of errors:
recvfrom() - A connection attempt failed because the connected party
did not properly respond after a period of time, or established
connection failed because connected host has failed to respond.
recvfrom() - A connection attempt failed because the connected party
did not properly respond after a period of time, or established
connection failed because connected host has failed to respond.
recvfrom() - A connection attempt failed because the connected party
did not properly respond after a period of time, or established
connection failed because connected host has failed to respond.
Too few bytes from 66.102.7.99

WWW.GOOGLE.COM
Pinging www.l.google.com [66.102.7.99] with 32 bytes of data every
30000 ms:

On 4 seperate occasions I get the following set of errors:
recvfrom() - A connection attempt failed because the connected party
did not properly respond after a period of time, or established
connection failed because connected host has failed to respond.
recvfrom() - A connection attempt failed because the connected party
did not properly respond after a period of time, or established
connection failed because connected host has failed to respond.
recvfrom() - A connection attempt failed because the connected party
did not properly respond after a period of time, or established
connection failed because connected host has failed to respond.
Too few bytes from 192.168.252.254



What interesting is:
(a) I had the ping windows output a time stamp, and the errors were
happening at different times.
(b) Notice how it complains about too few bytes from the Google window
in the DNS window and visa versa?
(c) There does not appear to be any pattern to how often/when this
happens.


HTH?

Cheers

-Al
 
One more thing:

00:00:04 : Reply[115] from 192.168.252.254: bytes=32 time=9.0 ms TTL=64
00:00:34 : Reply[116] from 192.168.252.254: bytes=32 time=191.6 ms
TTL=64
recvfrom() - A connection attempt failed because the connected party
did not properly respond after a period of time, or established
connection failed because connected host has failed to respond.
recvfrom() - A connection attempt failed because the connected party
did not properly respond after a period of time, or established
connection failed because connected host has failed to respond.
recvfrom() - A connection attempt failed because the connected party
did not properly respond after a period of time, or established
connection failed because connected host has failed to respond.
Too few bytes from 66.102.7.99
00:01:39 : Reply[118] from 192.168.252.254: bytes=32 time=3.2 ms TTL=64
00:02:09 : Reply[119] from 192.168.252.254: bytes=32 time=11.8 ms
TTL=64
00:02:39 : Reply[120] from 192.168.252.254: bytes=32 time=37.9 ms
TTL=64
From the time stamps you can see its only missing one ping per 3 error
lines, ie above at 00:01:04

-Al
 
(e-mail address removed) hath wroth:
One more thing:

00:00:04 : Reply[115] from 192.168.252.254: bytes=32 time=9.0 ms TTL=64
00:00:34 : Reply[116] from 192.168.252.254: bytes=32 time=191.6 msTTL=64
recvfrom() - A connection attempt failed because the connected party
did not properly respond after a period of time, or established
connection failed because connected host has failed to respond.
recvfrom() - A connection attempt failed because the connected party
did not properly respond after a period of time, or established
connection failed because connected host has failed to respond.
recvfrom() - A connection attempt failed because the connected party
did not properly respond after a period of time, or established
connection failed because connected host has failed to respond.
Too few bytes from 66.102.7.99
00:01:39 : Reply[118] from 192.168.252.254: bytes=32 time=3.2 ms TTL=64
00:02:09 : Reply[119] from 192.168.252.254: bytes=32 time=11.8 ms
TTL=64
00:02:39 : Reply[120] from 192.168.252.254: bytes=32 time=37.9 ms
TTL=64
From the time stamps you can see its only missing one ping per 3 error
lines, ie above at 00:01:04

Retch. You may have radio link problems.

What is the smallest number your get for the ping time to your ISP's
gateway/DNS server?

You can deduce quite a bit from ping results. From the above mess, I
would think that 3.2msec is about normal for two hops to a central
access point. You should get about 1-2 msec per hop. It might also
be just one hop to the gateway, but I can't tell without seeing some
ping history. Such huge variations in latency times is usually a sure
sign of interference or a marginal path. The problem is that it's
obviously a shared system and the other users may be causing some (not
all) of the variations in latency. Also, if it's a two hop system
(with a wireless backhaul to the ISP from the central AP), traffic
from other users on the backhaul will cause substantial variations in
latency.

However, the wide variations seem to indicate that the problem is
chronic. Even with traffic on the backhaul, you should not see any
lost packets, and certainly not 30:1 variations in latency. It
appeasrs that the latency variations are caused by packet loss, and
not traffic. I think you have a radio path or interference problem.
Did you tell your ISP that you're getting such awful results for ping
times?

Try to guess when the system is lightly used and run the ping test
again. Use 1 second intervals and small packets. That should be the
best case. You should see a series of 3msec (or less) results.
Interference tends to show up as large latency values or lost packets,
but only for short periods. There should be long periods in between
where the latency is constant and a low value. However, if you have a
marginal radio path, you'll see constant packet loss, and continuous
variations in latency. Again, it's difficult to tell without known
the network topology and without knowing how the backhaul is handled.

If possible, try to get the ISP to give you the IP address of the
central access point. If you can ping this, instead of the gateway,
then you can eliminate the backhaul traffic from the test. If they
won't release the IP address (or it's on a different IP net), then try
to get the MAC address and just assign yourself an unused IP address.
You should be able to get the MAC address from Ethereal (WireShark)
sniffing. Look for a MAC address of 00-13-4F-xx-xx-xx for Tranzeo.

Methinks you're trying to fix the symptoms instead of fixing the cause
of the problem. My guess(tm) is that you have lousy radio path or
interference. The interference is probably from other users on the
WISP's system. Ask them if they have any users that are along the
line of sight, but are beyond the central access point, that might
have their Tranzeo radio pointed directly at your radio. Never mind
users that are to the side, just the ones along the line of sight. The
reason you're having such a difficult time reconnecting after a loss
of connectivity is that the error rate is so high, that the
reconnection sequence probably gives up after a few failed attempts.

Tranzeo also has some diagnostics for the radio that will display
signal strength, signal to noise ratio, and data error rate. These
are needed to determine if you have a decent radio path. Your WISP
should be able to point you to these. It may be something as simple
as moving your rooftop radio, or just aiming it better. You'll need
these diagnostic tools that display your progress in order to aim the
unit.

Gotta run. Good luck.
 
Hi
It is an Onboard NIC?
If yes, find $5, get a PCI NIC, and disable the Onboard.
Jack (MVP-Networking).
 
In that case, the one answer is another host trying to come
online with the same IP address. The router will then put that
host in its arp table, disconnecting you.

Oooh, good suggestion!

What I think he's after here is on the other side of the ISP router, the box
inside your house that's making the uplink to the ISP, is running into a
conflict for your IP address. What you need to see if the arp table inside
the router in your house, and if possible, get the ISP to look into the one
on their end.

Looking at the arp table on your PC won't help. You'd only be seeing MAC
addresses for stuff on your internal house network, not between your router
and the ISP.

Tangentally, it's VERY odd to see a router being setup on .254 and the
client being setup on a .1 address. There's nothing requiring the use of
any particular address, just that it's customary for a router to be on .1,
not client machines. Go figure.

-Bill Kearney
 
Well no dropouts today, but as you say we may be fixing the symptom -
not the problem.

-Al
 

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