Questions That Should Have Been Asked Before Buying Equipment !!!

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Guest

I just bought a Gateway 825GM. Specs are P4 550 (3.4 GHz, 800 MHz FSB, 1MB L2
cache), 250 GB SATA HDD (7200 RPM, 8MB cache), 1 GB DDR (dual channel
memory), ATI Radeon X300 SE (128 MB PCI-Express Card), Avermedia M-150 TV
Tuner Card, 8.5 GB Double Layer 16X DVD+/-RW and 16X DVD Drives, 8-in-1
Digital Media Reader, 2 Firewire and 7 USB ports, Win XP MCE 2005.
I bought this unit for the purpose of capturing, editing, and converting VHS
video to DVD. Advertisement in paper and salesman said that it was just what
I needed for my desired purpose. I have spent the last three weeks
downloading driver updates for the various hardware and software that are
included with the package and trying to make them all work together. After
much aggravation and pulling of hair, (I am now completely bald), I was able
to make my first attempt at capturing and converting my VHS video.
I bought a new Toshiba VHS/DVD combo player to play my source videos on. I
used the component (yellow) video output and used an inline converter (Radio
Shack Analog/Digital A/V Signal Converter) to convert it to Svideo that would
input into the Avermedia M-150 card. I used the RCA audio (red & white) and
input those into the M-150 inputs also.
To start simple, I just wanted to capture and entire 2 hour VHS tape in
Movie Maker 2 that came with the computer and burn it onto a DVD for an
archive copy. I set the video capture format to "best available for display
on my computer" which defaulted to .wmv at 720 x 480 and 30 fps. I captured
the entire tape and choose data format for viewing on my computer when
burning to DVD. After the project was complete, I noticed a few problems. The
2 hours of captured video had been broken into over 300 individual clips even
though I had only hit start capture at the beginning and stop capture at the
end. I have since been told that there is a setting that I need to change in
Movie Maker that will prevent this from happening. I also noticed that in
both the captured video in Movie Maker and on the DVD+R that I had burned,
there were many places that had distortion in the video that was not seen in
the orginal VHS source tape. Some video looked ok, but there were a lot of
places that had distortions. There would be a horizontal band of distortion
that would appear across the middle of the screen and then go away. There
would also be vertical distortion were the outlines of characters would morph
and bend and them clear up somewhat.
My question is where do I begin in eliminating these problems. One
suggestion was that I needed to capture the analog video in DV-AVI format. I
see this option in Movie Maker but it is not available to me. Help says that
the option is only available when capturing from a digital VCR or digital
camcorder. Another suggestion is that I need to buy a digital camcorder with
pass through capability and output my VCR into the digital camcorder and then
into the Fire Wire port on my computer. Other suggestions have said to buy an
S-VHS VCR and various hardware filter devices and run the VCR output through
these before inputing into the computer.
I am new to video capture, editing, etc and am also not a computer genius. I
just want to be able to get a good a product as possible without spending any
money that is not necessary. That being said, these VHS source videos do mean
a great deal to me and I would like to do a good job. I have 20 2 hour VHS
tapes of my son that died in an auto accident a few years ago at 19 years of
age. I want to take these videos and hundreds of scanned photos and place
them on DVD to distribute to family members that I will not allow near my
original sources. I want to share without endangering my originals.
Do I have the necessary equipment for doing a good job of this or do I need
to acquire additional equipment or software? I am asking those who have
experience for their advice and suggestions. Please help.
 
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puzzled

Big Mac said:
I just bought a Gateway 825GM. Specs are P4 550 (3.4 GHz, 800 MHz FSB, 1MB
L2
cache), 250 GB SATA HDD (7200 RPM, 8MB cache), 1 GB DDR (dual channel
memory), ATI Radeon X300 SE (128 MB PCI-Express Card), Avermedia M-150 TV
Tuner Card, 8.5 GB Double Layer 16X DVD+/-RW and 16X DVD Drives, 8-in-1
Digital Media Reader, 2 Firewire and 7 USB ports, Win XP MCE 2005.
I bought this unit for the purpose of capturing, editing, and converting
VHS
video to DVD. Advertisement in paper and salesman said that it was just
what
I needed for my desired purpose. I have spent the last three weeks
downloading driver updates for the various hardware and software that are
included with the package and trying to make them all work together. After
much aggravation and pulling of hair, (I am now completely bald), I was
able
to make my first attempt at capturing and converting my VHS video.
I bought a new Toshiba VHS/DVD combo player to play my source videos on. I
used the component (yellow) video output and used an inline converter
(Radio
Shack Analog/Digital A/V Signal Converter) to convert it to Svideo that
would
input into the Avermedia M-150 card. I used the RCA audio (red & white)
and
input those into the M-150 inputs also.
To start simple, I just wanted to capture and entire 2 hour VHS tape in
Movie Maker 2 that came with the computer and burn it onto a DVD for an
archive copy. I set the video capture format to "best available for
display
on my computer" which defaulted to .wmv at 720 x 480 and 30 fps. I
captured
the entire tape and choose data format for viewing on my computer when
burning to DVD. After the project was complete, I noticed a few problems.
The
2 hours of captured video had been broken into over 300 individual clips
even
though I had only hit start capture at the beginning and stop capture at
the
end. I have since been told that there is a setting that I need to change
in
Movie Maker that will prevent this from happening. I also noticed that in
both the captured video in Movie Maker and on the DVD+R that I had burned,
there were many places that had distortion in the video that was not seen
in
the orginal VHS source tape. Some video looked ok, but there were a lot of
places that had distortions. There would be a horizontal band of
distortion
that would appear across the middle of the screen and then go away. There
would also be vertical distortion were the outlines of characters would
morph
and bend and them clear up somewhat.
My question is where do I begin in eliminating these problems. One
suggestion was that I needed to capture the analog video in DV-AVI format.
I
see this option in Movie Maker but it is not available to me. Help says
that
the option is only available when capturing from a digital VCR or digital
camcorder. Another suggestion is that I need to buy a digital camcorder
with
pass through capability and output my VCR into the digital camcorder and
then
into the Fire Wire port on my computer. Other suggestions have said to buy
an
S-VHS VCR and various hardware filter devices and run the VCR output
through
these before inputing into the computer.
I am new to video capture, editing, etc and am also not a computer genius.
I
just want to be able to get a good a product as possible without spending
any
money that is not necessary. That being said, these VHS source videos do
mean
a great deal to me and I would like to do a good job. I have 20 2 hour VHS
tapes of my son that died in an auto accident a few years ago at 19 years
of
age. I want to take these videos and hundreds of scanned photos and place
them on DVD to distribute to family members that I will not allow near my
original sources. I want to share without endangering my originals.
Do I have the necessary equipment for doing a good job of this or do I
need
to acquire additional equipment or software? I am asking those who have
experience for their advice and suggestions. Please help.

The PC seems well specified.
You are attempting to capture via a very basic and restrictive application -
Win movie maker.
You purchased a VCR/DVD combo without checking the output's available,
you would have made like all the more easier if you had opted for a VCR with
S-Video out.
I suggest you now opt for a 21 pin scart-to-S-video+two analog audio from
vcr/dvd to PC.
Also I would expect with such a well-specified PC you will also have been
supplied with at least a trial version of one of the established Video
capture/
editing software - I recommend Roxio's Videowave 7, but many others
available.
ALWAYs capture at the best quality option, do not attempt to convert
on-the-fly.
Once captured, use the "quality" application to edit etc.
This is example:
With current configuration:
Puchase a 21pin scart - S-video lead from Radio shack.
Use the "best Quality" option in Videowave (or similar) to capture -
When you install such software, During set-up, you just play
a tape with vcr connected, and the software will identify it and
add to it's "capture from devices" menu.
From drop-down menu select "best quality" or "DVD option".
You can then use the software to burn to DVD,
Also to edit the clips, add titles etc
And to convert to other formats - such as WMV to send via
email etc etc
 
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Cari \(MS-MVP\)

He'll have great difficulty in even knowing what a SCART socket is ... it
does appear the OP is in North America since Gateway no longer retail in
Europe... and North America does NOT have SCART sockets in any of their
digital devices.

He'll have to go with composite...
 
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Guest

Puzzled, thanks for your reply. Cari is correct that I am in the United
States. The DVD/VCR combo unit does have an Svideo output, but it is printed
in fine print above the Svideo output, "VHS signal is not output from the
Svideo jack". This info was not available on the ouside of the box, it just
said that it had an available Svideo output. I did not find out that it
didn't carry the VHS signal until I was connecting it. I thought that the
inline converter was going to solve my connection problem, but maybe not. I
don't know which way to proceed from here with the equipment that I have. Do
I need to purchase additional hardware (SVHS VCR, hardware filters, a digital
camcorder with pass through capability, better capture & editing software,
etc). Where do I proceed from here?
 
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Graham Hughes

I'd go with either a good digital camcorder with pass through facility, or a
good external analogue to digital convertor.
Pro's for the camcorder, has other uses, like a camcorder!, generally easy
to manage and connect.
Cons, cost, need to ensure it has av-in and supports pass through, otherwise
you'll be recording to mini-dv tape and then into pc, long winded and wears
the cam. Doesn't always guarantee video/audio syncronicty.
Good A>D convertor, such as canopus or miglia. Pro's, have chips in which
virtually gurantee syncronicity, cheaper than cam, gives excellent quality,
easy to use and set up. If you buy higher end they will also do D>A
Con's, no other uses.
As you have quite a bit to do and it is very precious, I'd go for one of the
canopus convertors.

Graham

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com
 
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Cari \(MS-MVP\)

VHS output is probably from the composite cable.. DVD output is from the
SVHS cable. Provided you have an analog capture card you can capture VHS
via the composite cable.
 
G

Guest

Thanks for the input Cari.

Cari (MS-MVP) said:
VHS output is probably from the composite cable.. DVD output is from the
SVHS cable. Provided you have an analog capture card you can capture VHS
via the composite cable.
 
G

Guest

Thanks for the response and advice Graham. I am going to do some information
gathering and pricing on both appropriate camcorders and on the better
quality analog to digital converters. Thanks again for responding. I am still
open to other advice and opinions from anyone that is willing. It will
definitely be appreciated.
 

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