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Good answer Bruce, I am glad a cooler head finally answered CF's question
with a kinder voice......ojrn1954
with a kinder voice......ojrn1954
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Bruce, THANK YOU a bunch for saving me the time to write exactly what you
already have regarding the original QUESTION!
Tom...you are an @ss for jumping to conclusions, and for trying to make
yourself sound/appear more intelligent than you obviously are--at least when
it comes to the issue of native 64-bit OS's, versus one of the FIVE possible
64-bit (x64 for YOU, since it somehow isn't the same to you) beta candidates
for the plethora of new AMD and Intel EM64T processors flooding the market
every day! You clearly went off half-cocked and jumped to conclusions
regarding the exact nature of the original query. Instead, if you are to be
of assistance to anyone (including yourself), you could/should have inquired
as to the specifics pertaining to the post. It would have been far more
helpful to CLARIFY and then CLEARLY & ACCURATELY answer the real questions at
hand, than to cause a bunch of flaming, chaos and wasted time/space here!
Get real dude...this is supposed to be about HELPING each other... yet you'd
choose to attack others for their attempts at CORRECTING your mistakes! How
mature of you. I'm sure your family is so proud--I'd have said "friends,"
but somehow I think someone such as yourself neither HAS nor NEEDS
friends...after all...you do know EVERYTHING!
;-) Good luck to all who are still using the betas, regardless of RC. I
ordered the WinXP Pro x64 RTM version CD today as it was officially released
for "TRIAL" beyond the beta testers/CPP. To this point I have been beta
testing Win 2003 Server Ed x64 (SP1). I can't wait to have my dual-boot
configuration with both versions of XP Pro 32 & x64. Of course, I am also an
avid user of Cakewalk's Sonar 4 Producer Edition, and us pro audio guys have
been waiting for a LONG time for this day to come!
I do wish to wage my COMPLAINT and total disgust with Microsoft for the
current plans to release XPx64 ONLY to OEM channels...and furthermore, to
only allow upgrades for people who bought AMD64 or Intel EM64T computers what
SHIPPED with 32-bit XP Pro!!! That sucks guys...since I custom built my
Intel rig just for the day that everything came together and MS finally
released an OS for us! Talk about leaving me...and many others...out in the
COLD. It is BITTER indeed!
Microsoft...you MUST seriously reconsider the trade-in/up program! It is
FAR TOO RESTRICTIVE, and I'm sorry, but I should not have had to purchased a
pre-configured 64-bit box from one of your channel members in order to be
eligible for the new x64 OS! I beta test for you, I provide technical
support for countless Windows users in my profession, and I custom built a
FLAWLESS system far superior to ANY of those offered by HP, Dell, or even
Alienware. (Not to toot my own horn--I state only the facts) Now I find out
that I am going to be gigged for NOT purchasing a pre-built system loaded
with the same damn software I ALREADY OWN??? Not cool...not in the slightest.
That is my rant for the week...although if I had ready access to Mr. Gates,
I'd rant and rave DAILY until this ridiculous policy is changed!
P.S. For those of you who ARE planning on sticking with the betas until
they time out, it is becoming increasingly easy to find drivers for x64
Windows with each day. Already ATI and Creative have released the
appropriate drivers for my gear, and all that is lacking are some apps, which
will soon be ported over anyway. There is hope yet! Hang in there.
already have regarding the original QUESTION!
Tom...you are an @ss for jumping to conclusions, and for trying to make
yourself sound/appear more intelligent than you obviously are--at least when
it comes to the issue of native 64-bit OS's, versus one of the FIVE possible
64-bit (x64 for YOU, since it somehow isn't the same to you) beta candidates
for the plethora of new AMD and Intel EM64T processors flooding the market
every day! You clearly went off half-cocked and jumped to conclusions
regarding the exact nature of the original query. Instead, if you are to be
of assistance to anyone (including yourself), you could/should have inquired
as to the specifics pertaining to the post. It would have been far more
helpful to CLARIFY and then CLEARLY & ACCURATELY answer the real questions at
hand, than to cause a bunch of flaming, chaos and wasted time/space here!
Get real dude...this is supposed to be about HELPING each other... yet you'd
choose to attack others for their attempts at CORRECTING your mistakes! How
mature of you. I'm sure your family is so proud--I'd have said "friends,"
but somehow I think someone such as yourself neither HAS nor NEEDS
friends...after all...you do know EVERYTHING!
;-) Good luck to all who are still using the betas, regardless of RC. I
ordered the WinXP Pro x64 RTM version CD today as it was officially released
for "TRIAL" beyond the beta testers/CPP. To this point I have been beta
testing Win 2003 Server Ed x64 (SP1). I can't wait to have my dual-boot
configuration with both versions of XP Pro 32 & x64. Of course, I am also an
avid user of Cakewalk's Sonar 4 Producer Edition, and us pro audio guys have
been waiting for a LONG time for this day to come!
I do wish to wage my COMPLAINT and total disgust with Microsoft for the
current plans to release XPx64 ONLY to OEM channels...and furthermore, to
only allow upgrades for people who bought AMD64 or Intel EM64T computers what
SHIPPED with 32-bit XP Pro!!! That sucks guys...since I custom built my
Intel rig just for the day that everything came together and MS finally
released an OS for us! Talk about leaving me...and many others...out in the
COLD. It is BITTER indeed!
Microsoft...you MUST seriously reconsider the trade-in/up program! It is
FAR TOO RESTRICTIVE, and I'm sorry, but I should not have had to purchased a
pre-configured 64-bit box from one of your channel members in order to be
eligible for the new x64 OS! I beta test for you, I provide technical
support for countless Windows users in my profession, and I custom built a
FLAWLESS system far superior to ANY of those offered by HP, Dell, or even
Alienware. (Not to toot my own horn--I state only the facts) Now I find out
that I am going to be gigged for NOT purchasing a pre-built system loaded
with the same damn software I ALREADY OWN??? Not cool...not in the slightest.
That is my rant for the week...although if I had ready access to Mr. Gates,
I'd rant and rave DAILY until this ridiculous policy is changed!
P.S. For those of you who ARE planning on sticking with the betas until
they time out, it is becoming increasingly easy to find drivers for x64
Windows with each day. Already ATI and Creative have released the
appropriate drivers for my gear, and all that is lacking are some apps, which
will soon be ported over anyway. There is hope yet! Hang in there.
G
Guest
Hi guyz
I have a qustion, i just ordered parts to build myself a gaming computer,
and i also purchased Windows XP pro x64, and when i try to install it on my
new pc, i get an error message that says that this software cannot be
installed on this computer.
I have an NCCH-DL Dual Intel Xeon 800FSB mother board, and a Xeon[tm]
3.06GHZ, 2 512mb ram, how can i find out what is causing the problem?
I would greatly appreciate the help
I have a qustion, i just ordered parts to build myself a gaming computer,
and i also purchased Windows XP pro x64, and when i try to install it on my
new pc, i get an error message that says that this software cannot be
installed on this computer.
I have an NCCH-DL Dual Intel Xeon 800FSB mother board, and a Xeon[tm]
3.06GHZ, 2 512mb ram, how can i find out what is causing the problem?
I would greatly appreciate the help
J
John Barnett MVP
Does the computer you are building contain a 64bit processor? If not then
that is the reason. Windows XP 64 bit won't run on 32 bit hardware.
--
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Associate Expert
http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
The information in this post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind,
either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
reliability or content of this post. The Author shall not be liable for any
direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use
of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this post..
that is the reason. Windows XP 64 bit won't run on 32 bit hardware.
--
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Associate Expert
http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
The information in this post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind,
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direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use
of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this post..
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Guest
Juggernaut:
Take a close look at the specs on that processor in your new rig. It occurs
to me that you didn't get the EM64T enabled version of that processor, and if
this is the case, then you would NOT be able to run the x64 OS.
Just to reiterate, Windows XP Pro x64 is designed to work with 64-bit
processors from AMD and Intel that support the x64 extensions to the x86
architecture. These include the Athlon 64, Athlon 64 FX, Mobile Athlon 64,
Turion 64, and Opteron processors from AMD, and the Xeon with EM64T and
Pentium 4 with EM64T from Intel.
If you are unsure, just go to Intel.com and get into the support area where
you can look up the nomenclature on your processor...there is a matrix that
will show you precisely which Xeon processors are EM64T enabled, and which
are NOT. Also, if you have the correct processor, you may indeed have the
incorrect BIOS...again, something you can locate in the support section of
Intel's website.
Hope this helps.
--
Thanks to all who so avidly support the x64 technologies and everyone who
helped beta test the newest XP & 2003 Server Edition versions!
Warmest Regards,
Brendon F. (DFW, TX USA)
Take a close look at the specs on that processor in your new rig. It occurs
to me that you didn't get the EM64T enabled version of that processor, and if
this is the case, then you would NOT be able to run the x64 OS.
Just to reiterate, Windows XP Pro x64 is designed to work with 64-bit
processors from AMD and Intel that support the x64 extensions to the x86
architecture. These include the Athlon 64, Athlon 64 FX, Mobile Athlon 64,
Turion 64, and Opteron processors from AMD, and the Xeon with EM64T and
Pentium 4 with EM64T from Intel.
If you are unsure, just go to Intel.com and get into the support area where
you can look up the nomenclature on your processor...there is a matrix that
will show you precisely which Xeon processors are EM64T enabled, and which
are NOT. Also, if you have the correct processor, you may indeed have the
incorrect BIOS...again, something you can locate in the support section of
Intel's website.
Hope this helps.
--
Thanks to all who so avidly support the x64 technologies and everyone who
helped beta test the newest XP & 2003 Server Edition versions!
Warmest Regards,
Brendon F. (DFW, TX USA)
S
Shenan Stanley
juggernaut said:I have a qustion, i just ordered parts to build myself a gaming
computer, and i also purchased Windows XP pro x64, and when i try to
install it on my new pc, i get an error message that says that this
software cannot be installed on this computer.
I have an NCCH-DL Dual Intel Xeon 800FSB mother board, and a Xeon[tm]
3.06GHZ, 2 512mb ram, how can i find out what is causing the problem?
I would greatly appreciate the help
Hmm.. Let's see..
You are trying to install a 64bit Operating System on a 32bit hardware
system.
Guess that settles that one. =)
(Having a dual 32bit based system does not make it a 64bit system, heh.)
G
Guest
Shenan...You're an MS-MVP...??? What exactly are the criteria for such a
title? Certainly being polite, helpful and knowledgeable were NOT among the
prerequisites! Your post was rude and incredibly disingenuous, and only
added to the confusion about x64 technology. The nature of your comments are
rather contrary to the "MVP" status you hold, as well as the very purpose of
the newsgroup in general. Thanks for making certain the you are/were
informed before opening your big mouth.
FACTS:
NCCH-DL: Asus has engineered this new dual Xeon platform utilizing the
tried and true 875P chipset which dominated the market in late 2003 and early
2004. The 875P is tied together with a new Intel Southbridge, new Serial
ATA/150 RAID functionality, and most importantly, support for Intel's new
EM64T "Nocona" processors" for a motherboard which some argue may be one of
the most innovative this year.
The top half of the board is dominated by the two 604-pin Xeon processor
sockets, which can handle Xeon processors up to 3.6 GHz and higher. Unlike
most new Xeon platforms (which can only work with new 800 MHz FSB Xeons), the
NCCH-DL can work with both 533 MHz and 800 MHz FSB Socket-604 Xeon
processors.
I would have mentioned numerous reasons why this board would NOT be a wise
choice for mating with the new x64 iterations of Windows XP or 2003 Server.
I would have questioned the choice of motherboards entirely...at least for a
gaming system. Just the memory limitations alone, make this dual Xeon
offering a less than optimum platform for utilizing 64-bit technology.
For instance: The NCCH-DL has four DDR memory slots, which can handle up to
4GB of DDR-400 SDRAM. This number is quite a bit lower than the peak memory
capacities of most Xeon platforms, which can often support 8GB to 16GB of
memory. The 4GB limitation is due to the board's 875P chipset...and it
defeats one of the main benefits of the 64-bit OS...supports for up to 128
gigabytes (GB) of RAM and 16 terabytes of virtual memory!!! On the plus
side, the 875P chipset allows the use of standard (non-ECC, non-registered)
DDR-400 memory modules with Xeon processors, meaning you do not have to
purchase expensive ECC/R DDR2 memory modules for these new Xeon processors.
NCCH-DL features an AGP 8x Pro slot, which is the first (and only, to my
knowledge) "Nocona" Xeon platform to boast AGP connectivity. Every other
"Nocona" platform to date has utilized a PCI Express x16 graphics slot, which
is all fine and good, except there are a lot of workstation users out there
who have purchased expensive AGP-based workstation graphics cards.
Still...once again...a true gamer would likely embrace the newer
chipsets/architecture from Intel such as the 925 or 955.
The 875P chipset does have limitations, in that it can only hold up to 4GB
of memory (which, in reality, ends up being 3.3GB if you max out the board,
as the 875P chipset can never hold true 4GB memory capacities), and you
cannot run any new, high-bandwidth PCI Express graphics cards and
peripherals. If you were buying a high-end system from scratch, these issues
might play into your selection of motherboards, but if you’re upgrading to a
new Xeon configuration and already have DDR memory or an AGP graphics card to
use, the NCCH-DL makes for an enticing upgrade option. --
The fact remains...the board, with the appropriate processor, BIOS and
OS...IS INDEED 64-bit compatible. I believe the use of the 64-bit OS in this
configuration to be a considerable waste...and the chances of having the
necessary drivers for the older hardware seems highly unlikely. All in all,
this isn't a gaming solution I would have chosen...particularly if 64-bit
computing was my aim. Still, I hope to have shed a little light on the
subject...rather than just taunting and poking fun at someone with little
regard to providing assistance, much less having the FACTS together before
attempting to make another look foolish!
Thanks to all who so avidly support the x64 technologies and everyone who
helped beta test the newest XP & 2003 Server Edition versions!
Warmest Regards,
Brendon F. (DFW, TX USA)
title? Certainly being polite, helpful and knowledgeable were NOT among the
prerequisites! Your post was rude and incredibly disingenuous, and only
added to the confusion about x64 technology. The nature of your comments are
rather contrary to the "MVP" status you hold, as well as the very purpose of
the newsgroup in general. Thanks for making certain the you are/were
informed before opening your big mouth.
FACTS:
NCCH-DL: Asus has engineered this new dual Xeon platform utilizing the
tried and true 875P chipset which dominated the market in late 2003 and early
2004. The 875P is tied together with a new Intel Southbridge, new Serial
ATA/150 RAID functionality, and most importantly, support for Intel's new
EM64T "Nocona" processors" for a motherboard which some argue may be one of
the most innovative this year.
The top half of the board is dominated by the two 604-pin Xeon processor
sockets, which can handle Xeon processors up to 3.6 GHz and higher. Unlike
most new Xeon platforms (which can only work with new 800 MHz FSB Xeons), the
NCCH-DL can work with both 533 MHz and 800 MHz FSB Socket-604 Xeon
processors.
I would have mentioned numerous reasons why this board would NOT be a wise
choice for mating with the new x64 iterations of Windows XP or 2003 Server.
I would have questioned the choice of motherboards entirely...at least for a
gaming system. Just the memory limitations alone, make this dual Xeon
offering a less than optimum platform for utilizing 64-bit technology.
For instance: The NCCH-DL has four DDR memory slots, which can handle up to
4GB of DDR-400 SDRAM. This number is quite a bit lower than the peak memory
capacities of most Xeon platforms, which can often support 8GB to 16GB of
memory. The 4GB limitation is due to the board's 875P chipset...and it
defeats one of the main benefits of the 64-bit OS...supports for up to 128
gigabytes (GB) of RAM and 16 terabytes of virtual memory!!! On the plus
side, the 875P chipset allows the use of standard (non-ECC, non-registered)
DDR-400 memory modules with Xeon processors, meaning you do not have to
purchase expensive ECC/R DDR2 memory modules for these new Xeon processors.
NCCH-DL features an AGP 8x Pro slot, which is the first (and only, to my
knowledge) "Nocona" Xeon platform to boast AGP connectivity. Every other
"Nocona" platform to date has utilized a PCI Express x16 graphics slot, which
is all fine and good, except there are a lot of workstation users out there
who have purchased expensive AGP-based workstation graphics cards.
Still...once again...a true gamer would likely embrace the newer
chipsets/architecture from Intel such as the 925 or 955.
The 875P chipset does have limitations, in that it can only hold up to 4GB
of memory (which, in reality, ends up being 3.3GB if you max out the board,
as the 875P chipset can never hold true 4GB memory capacities), and you
cannot run any new, high-bandwidth PCI Express graphics cards and
peripherals. If you were buying a high-end system from scratch, these issues
might play into your selection of motherboards, but if you’re upgrading to a
new Xeon configuration and already have DDR memory or an AGP graphics card to
use, the NCCH-DL makes for an enticing upgrade option. --
The fact remains...the board, with the appropriate processor, BIOS and
OS...IS INDEED 64-bit compatible. I believe the use of the 64-bit OS in this
configuration to be a considerable waste...and the chances of having the
necessary drivers for the older hardware seems highly unlikely. All in all,
this isn't a gaming solution I would have chosen...particularly if 64-bit
computing was my aim. Still, I hope to have shed a little light on the
subject...rather than just taunting and poking fun at someone with little
regard to providing assistance, much less having the FACTS together before
attempting to make another look foolish!
Thanks to all who so avidly support the x64 technologies and everyone who
helped beta test the newest XP & 2003 Server Edition versions!
Warmest Regards,
Brendon F. (DFW, TX USA)
Shenan Stanley said:juggernaut said:I have a qustion, i just ordered parts to build myself a gaming
computer, and i also purchased Windows XP pro x64, and when i try to
install it on my new pc, i get an error message that says that this
software cannot be installed on this computer.
I have an NCCH-DL Dual Intel Xeon 800FSB mother board, and a Xeon[tm]
3.06GHZ, 2 512mb ram, how can i find out what is causing the problem?
I would greatly appreciate the help
Hmm.. Let's see..
You are trying to install a 64bit Operating System on a 32bit hardware
system.
Guess that settles that one. =)
(Having a dual 32bit based system does not make it a 64bit system, heh.)
S
Shenan Stanley
USNBrendon said:Shenan...You're an MS-MVP...??? What exactly are the criteria for
such a title? Certainly being polite, helpful and knowledgeable were
NOT among the prerequisites! Your post was rude and incredibly
disingenuous, and only added to the confusion about x64 technology.
The nature of your comments are rather contrary to the "MVP" status
you hold, as well as the very purpose of the newsgroup in general.
Thanks for making certain the you are/were informed before opening
your big mouth.
Thank you for your opinion.. There was nothing "rude" in the response..
The OP - as you pointed out - may not have the EM64T enabled version of that
processor.
You may have stated it more in-depth than I - but the same point was made.
If the OP does not have the correct hardware - they cannot install the 64
bit OS.
G
Guest
juggernaut ended his interrogative with:
"...how can i find out what is causing the problem? I would greatly
appreciate the help"
Shenan Stanley (MS-MVP) responds to the users request for help with:
"Hmm.. Let's see.." (Sorry Shenan, but starting out this way IS rude...if
for no other reason than it comes across as totally condescending. It seems
highly improper to address an "OP" this way, particularly when all that was
requested was HELP!)
"You are trying to install a 64bit Operating System on a 32bit hardware
system." (Again, I don't see the helpful attitude in such a
statement...particularly when the statement is inaccurate.)
"Guess that settles that one. =)" (This statement was like shoving your
middle finger in the "OP's" face! It is crass and uncool.)
"(Having a dual 32bit based system does not make it a 64bit system, heh.)"
(Lastly Shenan, please don't backpedal...just admit you intended your remarks
precisely the way they came across! If you are going to take cheap shots by
imferring that the OP is ignorant enough to believe that a dual 32bit
system=a 64-bit system, then be big enough to admit that ending it with "HEH"
was just your way of adding insult to injury! Perhaps you were in a
mood...tired of dealing with stupid questions. This OP asked no stupid
question...instead requested help and expertise. Instead you heaped on a
whopping dose of sarcasm and pointless jeering. Did it make you feel good?
--
Thanks to all who so avidly support the x64 technologies and everyone who
helped beta test the newest XP & 2003 Server Edition versions!
Warmest Regards,
Brendon F. (DFW, TX USA)
"...how can i find out what is causing the problem? I would greatly
appreciate the help"
Shenan Stanley (MS-MVP) responds to the users request for help with:
"Hmm.. Let's see.." (Sorry Shenan, but starting out this way IS rude...if
for no other reason than it comes across as totally condescending. It seems
highly improper to address an "OP" this way, particularly when all that was
requested was HELP!)
"You are trying to install a 64bit Operating System on a 32bit hardware
system." (Again, I don't see the helpful attitude in such a
statement...particularly when the statement is inaccurate.)
"Guess that settles that one. =)" (This statement was like shoving your
middle finger in the "OP's" face! It is crass and uncool.)
"(Having a dual 32bit based system does not make it a 64bit system, heh.)"
(Lastly Shenan, please don't backpedal...just admit you intended your remarks
precisely the way they came across! If you are going to take cheap shots by
imferring that the OP is ignorant enough to believe that a dual 32bit
system=a 64-bit system, then be big enough to admit that ending it with "HEH"
was just your way of adding insult to injury! Perhaps you were in a
mood...tired of dealing with stupid questions. This OP asked no stupid
question...instead requested help and expertise. Instead you heaped on a
whopping dose of sarcasm and pointless jeering. Did it make you feel good?
--
Thanks to all who so avidly support the x64 technologies and everyone who
helped beta test the newest XP & 2003 Server Edition versions!
Warmest Regards,
Brendon F. (DFW, TX USA)
B
Bruce Chambers
USNBrendon wrote:
Irrelevant ranting and marketing drivel snipped....
None of which changes the simple fact that a Xeon processor is *not* a
64-bit CPU, and that installing 2 of them will not magically bestow
64-bit capability, regardless of what other CPUs the motherboard might
support.
--
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Help us help you:
You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH
Irrelevant ranting and marketing drivel snipped....
None of which changes the simple fact that a Xeon processor is *not* a
64-bit CPU, and that installing 2 of them will not magically bestow
64-bit capability, regardless of what other CPUs the motherboard might
support.
--
Bruce Chambers
Help us help you:
You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH
S
Shenan Stanley
USNBrendon said:juggernaut ended his interrogative with:
"...how can i find out what is causing the problem? I would greatly
appreciate the help"
Shenan Stanley (MS-MVP) responds to the users request for help with:
"Hmm.. Let's see.." (Sorry Shenan, but starting out this way IS
rude...if for no other reason than it comes across as totally
condescending. It seems highly improper to address an "OP" this way,
particularly when all that was requested was HELP!)
"You are trying to install a 64bit Operating System on a 32bit
hardware system." (Again, I don't see the helpful attitude in such a
statement...particularly when the statement is inaccurate.)
"Guess that settles that one. =)" (This statement was like shoving
your middle finger in the "OP's" face! It is crass and uncool.)
"(Having a dual 32bit based system does not make it a 64bit system,
heh.)" (Lastly Shenan, please don't backpedal...just admit you
intended your remarks precisely the way they came across! If you are
going to take cheap shots by imferring that the OP is ignorant enough
to believe that a dual 32bit system=a 64-bit system, then be big
enough to admit that ending it with "HEH" was just your way of adding
insult to injury! Perhaps you were in a mood...tired of dealing with
stupid questions. This OP asked no stupid question...instead
requested help and expertise. Instead you heaped on a whopping dose
of sarcasm and pointless jeering. Did it make you feel good?
Let me just say I have seen your postings for months here and in other
forums..
It's always the same. Review them yourself.
No - my reply was not rude. Yours, however, in my months of review -
usually are in a condescending manner.
My suggestion to you, learn to not read things into written text that aren't
there.
Thank you for your opinion.
U
Unknown
You have one heck of an ego. If your response was not rude then, you don't
even know the meaning of rude.
even know the meaning of rude.
P
pcbutts1
If you think that was rude then you need to grow thicker skin. Until that
happens stay off of Usenet.
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happens stay off of Usenet.
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Unknown said:You have one heck of an ego. If your response was not rude then, you don't
even know the meaning of rude.
U
Unknown
Who died and left you boss? When did you get the power to tell people to
stay off Usenet? Are you a dictator or what?
stay off Usenet? Are you a dictator or what?
pcbutts1 said:If you think that was rude then you need to grow thicker skin. Until that
happens stay off of Usenet.
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Unknown said:You have one heck of an ego. If your response was not rude then, you
don't even know the meaning of rude.
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