QUESTION please

[Guest]

will downloading and installing windows 64bit professional erase my hardrive
completley or will it just replace my current OS, windows home xp?

 

[Tom]

will downloading and installing windows 64bit professional erase my
hardrive
completley or will it just replace my current OS, windows home xp?

Firstly, you don't download any Windows operating system (unless you have a
MSDN subscription, which can be a lot of money) legally. Two, if your system
runs the current 32bit setup, the 64 will not work, as you need a specific
system setup with a 64bit processor to run XP Pro 64 bit, and the only chip
out there that does this currently is the Itanium, by Intel.

 

[NoNoBadDog!]

Firstly, you don't download any Windows operating system (unless you have
a MSDN subscription, which can be a lot of money) legally. Two, if your
system runs the current 32bit setup, the 64 will not work, as you need a
specific system setup with a 64bit processor to run XP Pro 64 bit, and the
only chip out there that does this currently is the Itanium, by Intel.
This is completely *WRONG*!!!!

In order to run Windows XP Professional x64 Edition or Windows Server 2003
64 bit Edition, you need a compatible 64 bit processor. Compatible
processors are the AMD64 processor family, AMD64 FX processors, the recently
introduced Intel EM64T processor, Intel XEON, or AMD Opteron.

The Itaniums *WILL NOT* run either Windows XP Professional x64 Edition or
Windows Server 2003 64 bit Edition. It will only run software based upon
the IA-86 Kernel. The other processors listed above are designed to run
86-x64 based code, which is what Windows XP Professional x64 Edition or
Windows Server 2003 64 bit Edition are based on.

If you are going to post answers in these newsgroups, you need to at least
have a clue as to what you are talking about. With your limited knowledge,
you shouldn't even be posting at all.

Bobby

 

[Guest]

i have a 64bit AMD mobile, and the beta 64bit windows is currently free to
download ~543mb

 

[Tom]

In order to run Windows XP Professional x64 Edition or Windows Server 2003
64 bit Edition, you need a compatible 64 bit processor. Compatible
processors are the AMD64 processor family, AMD64 FX processors, the
recently introduced Intel EM64T processor, Intel XEON, or AMD Opteron.

The Itaniums *WILL NOT* run either Windows XP Professional x64 Edition or
Windows Server 2003 64 bit Edition. It will only run software based upon
the IA-86 Kernel. The other processors listed above are designed to run
86-x64 based code, which is what Windows XP Professional x64 Edition or
Windows Server 2003 64 bit Edition are based on.

If you are going to post answers in these newsgroups, you need to at least
have a clue as to what you are talking about. With your limited
knowledge, you shouldn't even be posting at all.

Bobby

Note, I did not say x64 edition, you did (and your reading skills suck
seriously bad)!

First of all BOBBY, the version you speak of is still not official in
release (supposedly due in April).
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/howtobuy/default.mspx

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/evaluation/default.mspx

The version I mention here, is ONLY for the Itanium processor:

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prka_fea_ejfy.asp

By the way, are you not the same Norton's apologist and product expert that
stated, "SystemWorks has never contained Norton Antivirus.", though you were
proven worng. Funny, as you did then, you will run away from this also.

So, with your limited knowledge, are you going to now stop posting here, you
little boy?

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Tom, with all due respect, NoNoBadDog is exactly correct.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Downloading won't erase anything, installing a new operating system would.

If you are thinking of downloading the beta version of XP Pro 64, don't
bother. It is out of beta any day now and releasing to OEM for production.
For now it appears that it will only be available for new machines.

You cannot upgrade your present system to 64 bit Windows, even if you are
running a 64-cpu already, because there is no way to upgrade 32-bit Windows
to 64-bit Windows. You can only do a clean install.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

You should have said so in the first place. You still cannot upgrade your
present Windows installation with the beta. I do not know whether you can
multiboot 32-bit and 64-bit versions. The concern I would have is that the
beta time-bombs in six months and it is not now clear how you would obtain a
retail edition since, as far as I know, only the OEM version is releasing
next month.

 

[Tom]

No, I stated XP pro 64 bit, I provided the links. I know about the X64s, and
they are still in RC2 (from what I have read anyway). The OP ask about 64
bit pro (not any release candidate of the upcoming x64), I replied to what I
know, and Bobby got anal. Not my fault he has spasms over technicalities,
without reading what is really out there.

Again, here are the links:

The one I referred to:
Overview of Windows XP 64-Bit Edition
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prka_fea_ejfy.asp

The one Bubbling Over refers to:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/howtobuy/default.mspx

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/evaluation/default.mspx

The one I mention is for a TRUE 64 bit system, not a dual-realtionship 32bit
to 64bit system as the RC2 x64 is.

Tom, with all due respect, NoNoBadDog is exactly correct.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)

Note, I did not say x64 edition, you did (and your reading skills suck
seriously bad)!

First of all BOBBY, the version you speak of is still not official in
release (supposedly due in April).
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/howtobuy/default.mspx

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/evaluation/default.mspx

The version I mention here, is ONLY for the Itanium processor:

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prka_fea_ejfy.asp

By the way, are you not the same Norton's apologist and product expert
that stated, "SystemWorks has never contained Norton Antivirus.", though
you were proven worng. Funny, as you did then, you will run away from
this also.

So, with your limited knowledge, are you going to now stop posting here,
you little boy?

 

[NoNoBadDog!]

Note, I did not say x64 edition, you did (and your reading skills suck
seriously bad)!

First of all BOBBY, the version you speak of is still not official in
release (supposedly due in April).
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/howtobuy/default.mspx

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/evaluation/default.mspx

The version I mention here, is ONLY for the Itanium processor:

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prka_fea_ejfy.asp

By the way, are you not the same Norton's apologist and product expert
that stated, "SystemWorks has never contained Norton Antivirus.", though
you were proven worng. Funny, as you did then, you will run away from this
also.

So, with your limited knowledge, are you going to now stop posting here,
you little boy?

You didn't answer his question.

You don't have your facts straight about the Norton answer either.

Here's another question you probably wont answer...did your parents have any
children that weren't brain damaged?

Bobby

 

[Galen]

In Colin Barnhorst <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

Downloading won't erase anything, installing a new operating system
would.
If you are thinking of downloading the beta version of XP Pro 64,
don't bother. It is out of beta any day now and releasing to OEM for
production. For now it appears that it will only be available for new
machines.
You cannot upgrade your present system to 64 bit Windows, even if you
are running a 64-cpu already, because there is no way to upgrade
32-bit Windows to 64-bit Windows. You can only do a clean install.

Definately don't bother. Microsoft is going to swap 32 bit for 64 bit for
SOME people:

http://www.pcworld.com/resource/article/0,aid,119878,pg,1,RSS,RSS,00.asp

Please note that this boarders on just adding to the confusion as it's ONLY
for 2k3 and XP Pro... *clicks link to check that actually*

Err, not a good link at all. Good thing I clicked on it...

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21760

Hardly can be considered fact...

Anyhow it's worth looking into and waiting to see what REALLY is the case.

To be honest I have tried the 64 bit beta and didn't notice one iota of
performance difference... Not a single bit of difference to be completely
frank but I'm an AMD man and 32 bit compatability is built right in without
problems in most cases unless you want to hear the sob store about ME and
drivers...

Galen

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Itanium is irrelevant to a posting in an XP newsgroup.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

You can not upgrade Windows XP Home or Pro with 64 bit.

Furthermore since the 64 bit will be OEM only once released, you will not be
able to upgrade with that either.
Clean Install is the only option, everything previous will be gone.

For more information, you should ask your questions in the 64 bit
newsgroups:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/64bit/x64/trial/support.mspx

 

[Tom]

You didn't answer his question.

I stated what the OP mentioned, that being XP Pro 64 bit, not what you said
it was. He didn't clarify, so I answered the best I knew. You stated I was
wrong about what I posted regarding this particular 64 bit edition of XP,
that has been available now for a few years, and I gave you proof, you still
don't address it. You said I had limited knowledge, without ever considering
there has been this edition for this long of a time. Considering this, where
is your knowledge regarding its existence, as you showed how limited in
knowledge you are.

As far as the current x64 bit edition due for release, I am guessing that
this will be the version for everyone, and that the original I mentioned is
no longer available, as I can no longer find it for purchase from any MS
site; it doesn't say that it is replacing the original, nor mentions it.

You don't have your facts straight about the Norton answer either.

Really, you ran away, when (at least) two MVPs, and myself proved to you
about your claim in this (http://tinyurl.com/67w28) thread that:

"Norton SystemWorks does not contain Norton AntiVirus. They are separate
applications.

SystemWorks has never contained Norton Antivirus. NAV is available as a
standalone product or as part of Norton Internet Security Suite."

Here is the Symantec (crapware) site stating what NWS has:
http://www.symantec.com/sabu/sysworks/basic/

Here is an image of the box of NWS 2003, note it says right on the box:

"Includes Norton Anti-Virus", and then the rest of the utilities.
All versions I can remember going back to the 2001 version, has had the AV
included
http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_techspecs_full.php/masterid=338751

So, are you going to run away from this again mister expert, are you going
to stop posting, now that your limited knowledge shows that you have
screwed up twice?

Here's another question you probably wont answer...did your parents have
any children that weren't brain damaged?

No, in fact I had a brother whose brain was malformed from birth, and he
died at the age of three from an enlarged heart. So what does that have to
do with you screwing up?

 

[Bruce Chambers]

will downloading and installing windows 64bit professional erase my hardrive
completley or will it just replace my current OS, windows home xp?

As the WinXPx64 is designed to be released only as an OEM product, it
is designed to perform only a clean installation. You have the choice
of either wiping the hard drive and running the beta OS by itself, or of
creating a dual-boot configuration between WinXP Home and WinXPx64.
WinXPx64 cannot be used to upgrade WinXP Home.

Do you already have an AMD CPU capable of supporting WinXPx64? Do you
have an empty partition on which to install it, if you select the
dual-boot option? Have you ensured that you have WinXPx64-compatible
device drivers for all of your hardware components?


--

Bruce Chambers

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[Bruce Chambers]

Firstly, you don't download any Windows operating system (unless you have a
MSDN subscription, which can be a lot of money) legally.

Incorrect.

Windows XP Professional x64 Edition Release Candidate 2 Customer Preview
Program
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/evaluation/upgrade.mspx

Two, if your system
runs the current 32bit setup, the 64 will not work, as you need a specific
system setup with a 64bit processor to run XP Pro 64 bit,

True.


and the only chip
out there that does this currently is the Itanium, by Intel.

Also incorrect. Never heard of AMD?
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118,00.html?redir=GIHM01



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Bruce Chambers

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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH

 

[Tom]

Incorrect.

Windows XP Professional x64 Edition Release Candidate 2 Customer Preview
Program
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/evaluation/upgrade.mspx



Also incorrect. Never heard of AMD?
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118,00.html?redir=GIHM01

As you don't read (with the others) I specified what the OP asked about,
that being XP Pro 64 bit, not the x64, of which I am aware of. As I am sure
you know, there was a sold version speicically made for ONLY 64bit Itanium
chips. If you had read the posts in this thread, you would have seen that.
The OP did not specify x64, and downloading can mean a lot of things.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

As you don't read (with the others) I specified what the OP asked about,
that being XP Pro 64 bit, not the x64, of which I am aware of. As I am sure
you know, there was a sold version speicically made for ONLY 64bit Itanium
chips. If you had read the posts in this thread, you would have seen that.
The OP did not specify x64, and downloading can mean a lot of things.

Why not just admit that you "shot from the lip," and were nearly
completely wrong, rather than try to change the subject to an argument
over semantics? You're only making yourself look more foolish by not
admitting the mistake and moving on.


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Bruce Chambers

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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH

 

[Tom]

Why not just admit that you "shot from the lip," and were nearly
completely wrong, rather than try to change the subject to an argument
over semantics? You're only making yourself look more foolish by not
admitting the mistake and moving on.

LOL, Ok, Bruce was/is there a version of XP pro 64bit that was specifically,
and ONLY 64 bit, released a few years back? Did I post the links to that?
(Yes I did, and you didn't comment). It wasn't semantics, I related to the
OP exactly what he claimed he was trying to use, nothing more. If you cannot
answer striaght up, then don't bother answering, I already gave what I
thought the OP wanted.

 

[Guest]

No, not so, there are 'several" Win XP 64 bit motherborads out there for AMD
Win 64 bit processors, ........