Question has been asked before~but

[drybones]

And a thank you to John Barnett for his input and I shall "stick" with 32
bit.

drybones

As it stands i would stick with 32 Bit. A vast majority of software isn't
even 64 bit compatable anyway. 64 bit may work faster, but it is still
early days.

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These 78 year old brain cells are still not clear on the question of 32
bi over 64:

When upgrading from WinXP Media 2005 with SP2 32 bit to the Vista
operating system the option of installing 32 bit or 64 bit is the back
biter.

I utilized my machine for internet capabilities, PC gaming (role-play
mostly) and
general word processing for most part.

It seems that 64 bit is the future and really can not afford one more
computer
upgrade including 64 bit programs unless there is a very high possibility
of the
64 bit taking off.

Which version of Vista Home Premium would be my best choice; the 32 bit
or
64 bit for upgrading from WinXP Media 2005 with SP2 32 ?

Present machine is:
Dell XPS 600 with
Intel Pentium D 960 processor [3.6 GHz]
4 GB DDR2 SDRAM 667 MHz RAM
Dual NVIDIA 7800GTX video cards in SLI configuration
2 160GB NCQ Serial ATA Hard Drives
X-Fi PCI Sound Card

Thank you for your time in reading and hopefully replying.
drybones

 

[Guest]

It also takes almost twice as much memory to do anything. Therefore the
answer lies in economics - memory price vs CPU speed. When 64 bit is
cheapest for the total speed it will become mainstream. 32 bit is bang for
buck. Also it is not a done deal that we will go to 64 bit. Multicore 32 bit
may be the future or new technology may take over before we get to
mainstream 64 bit.

But the criteria for you is simple. Do you want a computer that can do
everything that other peoples can. If so choose 32 bit. If not choose 64 bit
and be jealous of 32 bit people.

 

[Guest]

At your age you have a far better than 50% chance. If you heard of average
life expectancy - it refers to everyone who was born. Many of them died
young. So the average life expectancy goes up as you get older. I think it's
around 86 or so for a 78 yo. I hope this is uplifting.

 

[MICHAEL]

I punish people who talk trash.

I bet folks just shake in fear. LOL.

Do you give them a good tongue lashing or a tongue bath?

Now, the tongue bath is a scary thought.
Be afraid, be very afraid.


-Michael

The program has to be written for the environment. Many morons here
reccomend setting the /3gb switch. Apart from the fact your hardware may not
work with the reduction in memory for the system (servers have simple, if
expensive, hardware requirements compared to a home user). But an
application needs to be written to support it. And only server apps are. So
setting it will reduce memory for the hardware and system to use and no
normal program can take advantage of it.

I punish people who talk trash. Because it is annoying to hear some idiot
talk about what they know nothing about. And it could prevent the computer
from booting. There is no advantage and only actual and (note AND not maybe)
potential disadvantage

The memory modes are generally designed for server apps and are not
suitable for browsing the web and watching porn

that is what I suspected... so there are other problems to this... you
cant use photoshop for example
and use all that ram...16gb

I was reading this page after you posted about the switches...
http://www.brianmadden.com/content/content.asp?ID=69

someone here posted this interesting post:


32 Bit CPU does not mean 32 bit addressing.
Posted by an Anonymous Visitor on 16 December 2004
Although it does not influence the rest of the article, the statement that
32 bit CPU means 32 addressbits is incorrect:

By definition, a 32-bit processor uses 32 bits to refer to the location of
each byte of memory

The 32 bit refers to the with of the CPU internal DATA bus and registers
and not to the width of the ADDRESS bus. This has always be the case. Go
back in history: the Z80 is an 8 bit CPU, but has 16 address bits (so 64
KB of memory). The 8086 is an 16 bits CPU, but has 20 addressbits (so 1 MB
of memory). The 80286 is also an 16 bit CPU, but with 24 addressbits (so
16 MB of memory).

It uses more physical memory (virtual memory uses a lot of physical
memory to track it - PAE uses a hell of a lot of physical memory).
Programs must be written to use it. And criminal cartels prefer to
extract maximun cash from people. The memory modes are generally designed
for server apps and are not suitable for browsing the web and watching
porn

I only posted one of the many memory modes..
Yes, I know this but this is not on XP, and not on vista 32bit either...
and not on the linux systems I have seen around...

If it was so simple why dont they do it for all computers..

if it is just a matter of a switch why not add that and add 16 gb of ram
on your 32 bit machine...

there must be something other than marketing here.. because linux is
free..
they have no advantage to not give this functionality to people.



<.> wrote in message Physical Address Extension
The Physical Address Extension (PAE) enables applications to address
more than 4 GB of physical memory. It is supported by Intel processors.
The following systems can use PAE to take advantage of physical memory
beyond 4 GB:



Windows Server 2003, Enterprise Edition
Windows 2000 Datacenter Server
Windows 2000 Advanced Server
To enable PAE, use the /PAE switch in the Boot.ini file. To disable
PAE, use the /NOPAE switch.

With PAE enabled, the operating system moves from two-level linear
address translation to three-level address translation. The extra layer
of translation provides access to physical memory beyond 4 GB. Instead
of a linear address being split into three separate fields for indexing
into memory tables, it is split into four separate fields; a 2-bit
field, two 9-bit fields, and a 12-bit field that corresponds to the
page size implemented by Intel Architecture (4 KB).


this has been discussed many times here and on the XP newsgroups.

I am welcome to new information that says that XP32bit can handle more
than 4gb ram. But if it cannot... then you are the idiot...


<.> wrote in message Here again we here lies from idiots. As you don't understand windows
perhaps you shouldn't talk about it.

Now unusually, you are almost right. Your advice is overall good.

But XP can access a lot more memory than 4GB. It has several modes of
operating.

Hello

if you buy retail version of XP it has 2 dvds, one for 32 bit and
one for 64 bit.. you can use any of those 2 but not both at the same
time of course IF your computer is 64 bit capable. Im not sure about
your CPU is 64 bit capable.. perhaps somene can tell us that.

I would suggest you keep away from 64 bit for the time being...

There is no real advantage since you have 4 gb or ram...

if you wanted 8 gb of ram then you would need 64 bit, because only a
64 bit OS can handle more than 4...


These 78 year old brain cells are still not clear on the question
of 32 bi over 64:

When upgrading from WinXP Media 2005 with SP2 32 bit to the Vista
operating system the option of installing 32 bit or 64 bit is the
back biter.

I utilized my machine for internet capabilities, PC gaming
(role-play mostly) and
general word processing for most part.

It seems that 64 bit is the future and really can not afford one
more computer
upgrade including 64 bit programs unless there is a very high
possibility of the
64 bit taking off.

Which version of Vista Home Premium would be my best choice; the 32
bit or
64 bit for upgrading from WinXP Media 2005 with SP2 32 ?

Present machine is:
Dell XPS 600 with
Intel Pentium D 960 processor [3.6 GHz]
4 GB DDR2 SDRAM 667 MHz RAM
Dual NVIDIA 7800GTX video cards in SLI configuration
2 160GB NCQ Serial ATA Hard Drives
X-Fi PCI Sound Card

Thank you for your time in reading and hopefully replying.
drybones

 

[Richard G. Harper]

A wise decision. There is little 64-bit software available, and 64-bit
drivers are lagging behind (a sad statement, given that many manufacturers
still don't have 32-bit drivers!) so sticking with 32 bit Vista is probably
your best bet for now. Later the conditions will likely change but for now
....

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Thanks, Richard Harper.

Have no idea where to get 64 bit drivers let alone a bloody NVIDIA
Vista driver <grin>

Will stick with 32 bit after reading the many nicely put replies.

Drybones

Unless you can be 100% sure you can get 64-bit drivers for every device
you have, including motherboard, printers, multimedia, etc. then you
should stick with 32-bit Vista.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

These 78 year old brain cells are still not clear on the question of 32
bi over 64:

When upgrading from WinXP Media 2005 with SP2 32 bit to the Vista
operating system the option of installing 32 bit or 64 bit is the back
biter.

I utilized my machine for internet capabilities, PC gaming (role-play
mostly) and
general word processing for most part.

It seems that 64 bit is the future and really can not afford one more
computer
upgrade including 64 bit programs unless there is a very high
possibility of the
64 bit taking off.

Which version of Vista Home Premium would be my best choice; the 32 bit
or
64 bit for upgrading from WinXP Media 2005 with SP2 32 ?

Present machine is:
Dell XPS 600 with
Intel Pentium D 960 processor [3.6 GHz]
4 GB DDR2 SDRAM 667 MHz RAM
Dual NVIDIA 7800GTX video cards in SLI configuration
2 160GB NCQ Serial ATA Hard Drives
X-Fi PCI Sound Card

Thank you for your time in reading and hopefully replying.
drybones

 

[Shane Nokes]

The editions of software that you refer to that use PAE in the way you
specify however do not use a standard 32-bit CPU nor are they standard
32-bit software.

They are designed to either take advantage of one of the newer x86-64
hybrids or Itaniums which are pure 64-bit in nature.

So really, who doesn't know what they are talking about?

*sighs*

XP can only address up to 4GB of TOTAL memory.

That includes memory addressed on CPU's, Video Cards, Sound Cards, Network
Cards, IDE/SATA cards, etc.

That's why you'll see someone with 4GB of RAM reporting 3.92GB free, and
then someone else swearing it's only 3.2GB free.

A 64-bit OS removes that memory cap, and just to increase your knowledge, XP
& all 32-bit builds of Vista ONLY have a standard 32-bit memory path to the
CPU.

The program has to be written for the environment. Many morons here
reccomend setting the /3gb switch. Apart from the fact your hardware may
not work with the reduction in memory for the system (servers have simple,
if expensive, hardware requirements compared to a home user). But an
application needs to be written to support it. And only server apps are.
So setting it will reduce memory for the hardware and system to use and no
normal program can take advantage of it.

I punish people who talk trash. Because it is annoying to hear some idiot
talk about what they know nothing about. And it could prevent the computer
from booting. There is no advantage and only actual and (note AND not
maybe) potential disadvantage

The memory modes are generally designed for server apps and are not
suitable for browsing the web and watching porn

that is what I suspected... so there are other problems to this... you
cant use photoshop for example
and use all that ram...16gb

I was reading this page after you posted about the switches...
http://www.brianmadden.com/content/content.asp?ID=69

someone here posted this interesting post:


32 Bit CPU does not mean 32 bit addressing.
Posted by an Anonymous Visitor on 16 December 2004
Although it does not influence the rest of the article, the statement
that 32 bit CPU means 32 addressbits is incorrect:

By definition, a 32-bit processor uses 32 bits to refer to the location
of each byte of memory

The 32 bit refers to the with of the CPU internal DATA bus and registers
and not to the width of the ADDRESS bus. This has always be the case. Go
back in history: the Z80 is an 8 bit CPU, but has 16 address bits (so 64
KB of memory). The 8086 is an 16 bits CPU, but has 20 addressbits (so 1
MB of memory). The 80286 is also an 16 bit CPU, but with 24 addressbits
(so 16 MB of memory).

It uses more physical memory (virtual memory uses a lot of physical
memory to track it - PAE uses a hell of a lot of physical memory).
Programs must be written to use it. And criminal cartels prefer to
extract maximun cash from people. The memory modes are generally
designed for server apps and are not suitable for browsing the web and
watching porn

I only posted one of the many memory modes..
Yes, I know this but this is not on XP, and not on vista 32bit
either...
and not on the linux systems I have seen around...

If it was so simple why dont they do it for all computers..

if it is just a matter of a switch why not add that and add 16 gb of
ram
on your 32 bit machine...

there must be something other than marketing here.. because linux is
free..
they have no advantage to not give this functionality to people.



<.> wrote in message Physical Address Extension
The Physical Address Extension (PAE) enables applications to address
more than 4 GB of physical memory. It is supported by Intel
processors. The following systems can use PAE to take advantage of
physical memory beyond 4 GB:



Windows Server 2003, Enterprise Edition
Windows 2000 Datacenter Server
Windows 2000 Advanced Server
To enable PAE, use the /PAE switch in the Boot.ini file. To disable
PAE, use the /NOPAE switch.

With PAE enabled, the operating system moves from two-level linear
address translation to three-level address translation. The extra
layer of translation provides access to physical memory beyond 4 GB.
Instead of a linear address being split into three separate fields for
indexing into memory tables, it is split into four separate fields; a
2-bit field, two 9-bit fields, and a 12-bit field that corresponds to
the page size implemented by Intel Architecture (4 KB).


this has been discussed many times here and on the XP newsgroups.

I am welcome to new information that says that XP32bit can handle
more than 4gb ram. But if it cannot... then you are the idiot...


<.> wrote in message Here again we here lies from idiots. As you don't understand windows
perhaps you shouldn't talk about it.

Now unusually, you are almost right. Your advice is overall good.

But XP can access a lot more memory than 4GB. It has several modes
of operating.

Hello

if you buy retail version of XP it has 2 dvds, one for 32 bit and
one for 64 bit.. you can use any of those 2 but not both at the
same time of course IF your computer is 64 bit capable. Im not sure
about your CPU is 64 bit capable.. perhaps somene can tell us that.

I would suggest you keep away from 64 bit for the time being...

There is no real advantage since you have 4 gb or ram...

if you wanted 8 gb of ram then you would need 64 bit, because only
a 64 bit OS can handle more than 4...


These 78 year old brain cells are still not clear on the question
of 32 bi over 64:

When upgrading from WinXP Media 2005 with SP2 32 bit to the Vista
operating system the option of installing 32 bit or 64 bit is the
back biter.

I utilized my machine for internet capabilities, PC gaming
(role-play mostly) and
general word processing for most part.

It seems that 64 bit is the future and really can not afford one
more computer
upgrade including 64 bit programs unless there is a very high
possibility of the
64 bit taking off.

Which version of Vista Home Premium would be my best choice; the
32 bit or
64 bit for upgrading from WinXP Media 2005 with SP2 32 ?

Present machine is:
Dell XPS 600 with
Intel Pentium D 960 processor [3.6 GHz]
4 GB DDR2 SDRAM 667 MHz RAM
Dual NVIDIA 7800GTX video cards in SLI configuration
2 160GB NCQ Serial ATA Hard Drives
X-Fi PCI Sound Card

Thank you for your time in reading and hopefully replying.
drybones

 

[Guest]

Hello

Not sure if you are the right person to ask. I have just bought a computer
with a Core 2 duo processer 6600. It came with Windows Vista Home Edition
Premiumpre-installed. Does my processor support the 64-bit version?

Please help!!!

That's only if he buys Ultimate.

He quite clearly stated he wants to use Home Premium.

Home Premium retail cases only include 32-bit, but you can order a 64-bit
DVD later if needed.

WHoops.. I meant to say >>

"buy retail version of VISTA it has 2 dvds"

sorry

Hello

if you buy retail version of XP it has 2 dvds, one for 32 bit and one for
64 bit.. you can use any of those 2 but not both at the same time of
course IF your computer is 64 bit capable. Im not sure about your CPU is
64 bit capable.. perhaps somene can tell us that.

I would suggest you keep away from 64 bit for the time being...

There is no real advantage since you have 4 gb or ram...

if you wanted 8 gb of ram then you would need 64 bit, because only a 64
bit OS can handle more than 4...


These 78 year old brain cells are still not clear on the question of 32
bi over 64:

When upgrading from WinXP Media 2005 with SP2 32 bit to the Vista
operating system the option of installing 32 bit or 64 bit is the back
biter.

I utilized my machine for internet capabilities, PC gaming (role-play
mostly) and
general word processing for most part.

It seems that 64 bit is the future and really can not afford one more
computer
upgrade including 64 bit programs unless there is a very high
possibility of the
64 bit taking off.

Which version of Vista Home Premium would be my best choice; the 32 bit
or
64 bit for upgrading from WinXP Media 2005 with SP2 32 ?

Present machine is:
Dell XPS 600 with
Intel Pentium D 960 processor [3.6 GHz]
4 GB DDR2 SDRAM 667 MHz RAM
Dual NVIDIA 7800GTX video cards in SLI configuration
2 160GB NCQ Serial ATA Hard Drives
X-Fi PCI Sound Card

Thank you for your time in reading and hopefully replying.
drybones