Purging NG`s ???

[Davor Folo]

I have a problem ....

I`m suscribed to two NG`s that are almost identical. Are AccuRender related
NG`s, architectual ones. Both are huge 44000 and 65 000 posts. Since I was
thinking it would be great to learn something about the program I decided to
download ALL messages - from both .... Now I see that the posts are almost
the same. Since its about jpg`s - the posts are big - up to 1 Mb.
First I asked the guys out there but no one seems to know.

IS IT POSIBLE TO MAKE A FILTER SELECTION IN OutlookExpress 6.0 SO IT DOESN`T
DOWNLOAD IDENTICAL MESSAGES ???

I`m talking about couple of hunderds Mb that could be purged ......

Thanks in advance ....

 

[Vanguardx]

I have a problem ....

I`m suscribed to two NG`s that are almost identical. Are AccuRender
related NG`s, architectual ones. Both are huge 44000 and 65 000
posts. Since I was thinking it would be great to learn something
about the program I decided to download ALL messages - from both ....
Now I see that the posts are almost the same. Since its about jpg`s -
the posts are big - up to 1 Mb. First I asked the guys out there but
no one seems to know.

IS IT POSIBLE TO MAKE A FILTER SELECTION IN OutlookExpress 6.0 SO IT
DOESN`T DOWNLOAD IDENTICAL MESSAGES ???

I`m talking about couple of hunderds Mb that could be purged ......

Thanks in advance ....

It's not the fault of the NNTP client (Outlook Express) or the NNTP
server that posters are clueless about cross-posting and instead submit
multiple copies of their message by multi-posting. They choose to waste
bandwidth and disk space (on the news server and by the users) by
polluting the venue with multiple copies of their posts. Each copy of a
multiposted message is treated as a separate message. As computers get
easier to use, more idiots use them.

Sounds like you should decide which one of the nearly identical
newsgroups to visit, unsubscribe from the others, and then go into the
OE message store folder to delete any remnant .dbx files for the
newsgroups from which you unsubscribed (sometimes OE doesn't cleanup
after itself).

Outlook Express is not meant to be a binary attachment downloader (i.e.,
it's not a picture downloader that checks for duplicated images in
different messages in the same or different newsgroups). There are
other newsreaders that are more geared to downloading binaries and they
will do a checksum within some specified number of bytes to see if the
files are identical. It's been years since I used Newrover (I think my
license expired a couple years ago), and Newsbin was another one that I
played with for awhile, but that was when I was new to newsgroups but
ended up gravitating to non-binary newsgroups. I think they maintain a
signature cache for some specified number of days to use to determine if
that binary was already downloaded before. The other NNTP clients
probably have better features for offline viewing beyond just OE's
synchronize to download the bodies to view offline later. I'm always
online when visiting newsgroups and hence another reason why I haven't
bothered to keep using and paying for the binary-oriented newsreaders.

If you're going to be downloading posts with huge binary attachments
then you'll probably want something other than OE for that task. One of
the complaints I see from old version OE users is that the slide-show
feature disappeared in OE6. I don't remember using the slide-show
feature in OE5 so I probably disabled it (I never want any attachment
getting opened automatically). According to
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/faqs/how.htm#slideshow, the slide-show
function is completely gone from OE6. However, as far as tracking
messages with duplicate content but which were posted as completely
separate messages (i.e., they were multi-posted instead of
cross-posted), you'll need to use something other than OE for that. A
Google search on "binary newsreader" should turn up some leads.

 

[Davor Folo]

It's not the fault of the NNTP client (Outlook Express) or the NNTP server

that posters are clueless about cross-posting and instead submit multiple
copies of their message by multi-posting. They choose to waste bandwidth
and disk space (on the news server and by the users) by polluting the
venue with multiple copies of their posts. Each copy of a multiposted
message is treated as a separate message. As computers get easier to use,
more idiots use them.

Sounds like you should decide which one of the nearly identical newsgroups
to visit, unsubscribe from the others, and then go into the OE message
store folder to delete any remnant .dbx files for the newsgroups from
which you unsubscribed (sometimes OE doesn't cleanup after itself).

Outlook Express is not meant to be a binary attachment downloader (i.e.,
it's not a picture downloader that checks for duplicated images in
different messages in the same or different newsgroups). There are other
newsreaders that are more geared to downloading binaries and they will do
a checksum within some specified number of bytes to see if the files are
identical. It's been years since I used Newrover (I think my license
expired a couple years ago), and Newsbin was another one that I played
with for awhile, but that was when I was new to newsgroups but ended up
gravitating to non-binary newsgroups. I think they maintain a signature
cache for some specified number of days to use to determine if that binary
was already downloaded before. The other NNTP clients probably have
better features for offline viewing beyond just OE's synchronize to
download the bodies to view offline later. I'm always online when
visiting newsgroups and hence another reason why I haven't bothered to
keep using and paying for the binary-oriented newsreaders.

If you're going to be downloading posts with huge binary attachments then
you'll probably want something other than OE for that task. One of the
complaints I see from old version OE users is that the slide-show feature
disappeared in OE6. I don't remember using the slide-show feature in OE5
so I probably disabled it (I never want any attachment getting opened
automatically). According to
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/faqs/how.htm#slideshow, the slide-show
function is completely gone from OE6. However, as far as tracking
messages with duplicate content but which were posted as completely
separate messages (i.e., they were multi-posted instead of cross-posted),
you'll need to use something other than OE for that. A Google search on
"binary newsreader" should turn up some leads.

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Thank you for such a good explaination .....