Problems with Samsung SP2514N (Spinpoint P120 Series)


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Lukas Mariman

Hi, this is my first post on this forum. Is there a FAQ or charter?

Anyway, I'm experiencing error messages with my 250GB Samsung SP2514N
(Spinpoint P120 series).

I split it up in 2 partitions.

When running defragmentation O&O Defrag, I get error messages on both
partitions, even though it manages to defragment anyway.

Also, Windows XP (SP2) seems to take forever to finish checking the disk
(partition 1; part. 2 seems OK); it seems to hang for what seems like ages
when entering phase 2 of the disk checking app.

Eventually it eventually proceeds, though sometimes I get a message saying
the disk check could not be completed.

However, none of this *seems* to affect Windows, and when running HUTIL, the
Sammsung diagnostic software, it finds no errors.

So what is going on? This has been bugging me for months. Any ideas/tips
welcome!
 
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Arno Wagner

Previously Lukas Mariman said:
Hi, this is my first post on this forum. Is there a FAQ or charter?
Anyway, I'm experiencing error messages with my 250GB Samsung SP2514N
(Spinpoint P120 series).
I split it up in 2 partitions.
When running defragmentation O&O Defrag, I get error messages on both
partitions, even though it manages to defragment anyway.
Also, Windows XP (SP2) seems to take forever to finish checking the disk
(partition 1; part. 2 seems OK); it seems to hang for what seems like ages
when entering phase 2 of the disk checking app.
Eventually it eventually proceeds, though sometimes I get a message saying
the disk check could not be completed.
However, none of this *seems* to affect Windows, and when running HUTIL, the
Sammsung diagnostic software, it finds no errors.
So what is going on? This has been bugging me for months. Any ideas/tips
welcome!
It is impossible to say anything reliable without knowing what the
error messages are.

Arno
 
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Lukas Mariman

Arno Wagner said:
It is impossible to say anything reliable without knowing what the
error messages are.
Well, the Windows disk checking app doesn't actually give any errors, except
(on part1) it takes a long to to complete the diskcheck, seemingly hanging
at phase 2. And sometimes it ends before completing, displaying a message
saying the diskcheck could not be completed.

O&O Defrag's check for errors software generates a report stating: "Error:
file system damaged." Same goes for the other partition of the Samsung disk.
 
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Rod Speed

Its not a forum, its a newsgroup.
Is there a FAQ or charter?
Nope.
How have you got those formatted, NTFS or FAT32 ?

What happens if you dont run O&O Defrag ? There isnt any point in
obsessively defragging anymore except in a very few special situaitons.

Presumably O&O Defrag leaves it in a considerable mess.

Then its unlikely to be a hardware error.

The most obviously possibility is that O&O Defrag isnt working
properly. Try running without defragging for a while.
Well, the Windows disk checking app doesn't actually give any errors,
except (on part1) it takes a long to to complete the diskcheck, seemingly hanging at phase 2. And
sometimes it ends before completing, displaying a message saying the diskcheck could not be
completed.
That is consistent with the possibility that O&O Defrag leaves it in a mess.
O&O Defrag's check for errors software generates a report stating: "Error: file system damaged."
Same goes for the other partition of the Samsung disk.
I'd try running without O&O Defrag for a while and see if the problem goes away.

Post the Everest SMART report here.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181
 
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Arno Wagner

Previously Lukas Mariman said:
Arno Wagner said:
Previously Lukas Mariman said:
Hi, this is my first post on this forum. Is there a FAQ or charter?
[...]
It is impossible to say anything reliable without knowing what the
error messages are.
Well, the Windows disk checking app doesn't actually give any errors, except
(on part1) it takes a long to to complete the diskcheck, seemingly hanging
at phase 2. And sometimes it ends before completing, displaying a message
saying the diskcheck could not be completed.
Ok, that does not sound like a hardware problem.
O&O Defrag's check for errors software generates a report stating: "Error:
file system damaged." Same goes for the other partition of the Samsung disk.
Again, does not sound like a hardware issue.

Howeve what It can be, I have now idea. Sorry.

Armo
 
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Curious George

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/by-newsgroup/comp/comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage.html
http://www.cs.uu.nl/wais/html/na-bng/comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage.html
http://tile.net/news/?news_id=9219
, etc.
Well, the Windows disk checking app doesn't actually give any errors, except
(on part1) it takes a long to to complete the diskcheck, seemingly hanging
at phase 2. And sometimes it ends before completing, displaying a message
saying the diskcheck could not be completed.
Run chkdsk from the command line. Since the gui tool says there are
errors run chkdsk /f or /r for both partitions. Error and cleanup
messages will be displayed on the screen and in the event log if you
schedule it on reboot.
O&O Defrag's check for errors software generates a report stating: "Error:
file system damaged." Same goes for the other partition of the Samsung disk.
chkdsk cannot correct problems in read-only mode. See if it can
correct the filesystem in /f or /r mode (either from the command line
or checking the options in the gui tool) and then see if defrag
problems persist. Check the event log for other O&O Defrag messages.
 
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Lukas Mariman

Rod Speed said:
Its not a forum, its a newsgroup.
Actually, it's pretty much the same thing.

From Jargon File (4.3.1, 29 Jun 2001) :

forum n. [Usenet, GEnie, CI$; pl. `fora' or `forums'] Any discussion
group accessible through a dial-in BBS, a mailing list, or a
newsgroup (see the network). A forum functions much like a bulletin
board; users submit postings for all to read and discussion ensues.
Contrast real-time chat via talk mode or point-to-point personal
email.
I see.
How have you got those formatted, NTFS or FAT32 ?
NTFS.


What happens if you dont run O&O Defrag ? There isnt any point in
obsessively defragging anymore except in a very few special situaitons.
The system *appears* to run fine.
Presumably O&O Defrag leaves it in a considerable mess.
I don't think it's O&O's fault; I used Diskeeper 10 for a while and it also
used to report file errors when running boot defragmention.

I recently reinstall Windows
Then its unlikely to be a hardware error.
I tend to agree. My guess is some application is messing with the file
system. If I just knew which!
The most obviously possibility is that O&O Defrag isnt working
properly. Try running without defragging for a while.
Right.



That is consistent with the possibility that O&O Defrag leaves it in a
mess.
Could be.
I'd try running without O&O Defrag for a while and see if the problem goes
away.

Post the Everest SMART report here.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181
I'll do that. Thanks for your reply!
 
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Lukas Mariman

Arno Wagner said:
Previously Lukas Mariman said:
Arno Wagner said:
Hi, this is my first post on this forum. Is there a FAQ or charter? [...]
It is impossible to say anything reliable without knowing what the
error messages are.
Well, the Windows disk checking app doesn't actually give any errors,
except
(on part1) it takes a long to to complete the diskcheck, seemingly
hanging
at phase 2. And sometimes it ends before completing, displaying a message
saying the diskcheck could not be completed.
Ok, that does not sound like a hardware problem.
O&O Defrag's check for errors software generates a report stating:
"Error:
file system damaged." Same goes for the other partition of the Samsung
disk.
Again, does not sound like a hardware issue.

Howeve what It can be, I have now idea. Sorry.
Thanks anyway! Indeed, I suspect some application is messing around with the
file system.

Could it be an app such as Webroot Spysweeper? Does anyone "here" have
experience with that one?
 
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Lukas Mariman

Curious George said:
Great! Thanks!
Run chkdsk from the command line. Since the gui tool says there are
errors run chkdsk /f or /r for both partitions. Error and cleanup
messages will be displayed on the screen and in the event log if you
schedule it on reboot.
OK, I'll try that.
chkdsk cannot correct problems in read-only mode. See if it can
correct the filesystem in /f or /r mode (either from the command line
or checking the options in the gui tool) and then see if defrag
problems persist. Check the event log for other O&O Defrag messages.
I'll do that.

BTW, I should clarify that the actual defragging seemingly works ok. But O&O
can also check for errors, and that's when it reports file errors on both
Samsung HD partitions.
 
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Rod Speed

Actually, it's pretty much the same thing.
Nope, completely different.
From Jargon File (4.3.1, 29 Jun 2001) :
forum n. [Usenet, GEnie, CI$; pl. `fora' or `forums'] Any discussion
group accessible through a dial-in BBS, a mailing list, or a newsgroup (see the network). A
forum functions much like a bulletin board; users submit postings for all to read and discussion
ensues. Contrast real-time chat via talk mode or point-to-point personal email.
Its just plain wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum
The system *appears* to run fine.
Then I'd bin O&O Defrag, its clearly ****ing up the directory structures.

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=O&O+Defrag+error OR errors
http://groups.google.com.au/groups?q=O&O Defrag error OR errors

I wouldnt bother to replace it with any defragger personally,
but there are plenty that dont **** up the directory structures.
I don't think it's O&O's fault;
Gotta be if you dont see a problem when you dont use it.
I used Diskeeper 10 for a while and it also used to report file errors when running boot
defragmention.
You can get errors from anything as basic as mains failures.
I recently reinstall Windows
Irrelevant if O&O Defrag is ****ing up the directory structures.
I tend to agree. My guess is some application is messing with the file system. If I just knew
which!
Gotta be O&O Defrag if you dont see a problem when you dont use it.
Could be.
I'll do that. Thanks for your reply!
No problem, please post what happens when you dont use O&O Defrag for a while.
 
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Rod Speed

Lukas Mariman said:
Arno Wagner said:
Previously Lukas Mariman said:
"Arno Wagner" <me@privacy.net> schreef in bericht
Hi, this is my first post on this forum. Is there a FAQ or
charter? [...]
It is impossible to say anything reliable without knowing what the
error messages are.
Well, the Windows disk checking app doesn't actually give any
errors, except
(on part1) it takes a long to to complete the diskcheck, seemingly
hanging
at phase 2. And sometimes it ends before completing, displaying a
message saying the diskcheck could not be completed.
Ok, that does not sound like a hardware problem.
O&O Defrag's check for errors software generates a report stating:
"Error:
file system damaged." Same goes for the other partition of the
Samsung disk.
Again, does not sound like a hardware issue.

Howeve what It can be, I have now idea. Sorry.
Thanks anyway! Indeed, I suspect some application is messing around
with the file system.
Could it be an app such as Webroot Spysweeper?
Yes, its certainly possible.
Does anyone "here" have experience with that one?
Plenty of hits on the web and usenet with that one too.

The obvious thing to try is to stop running each
and see what happens error report wise.
 

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