problems viewing web page

[Guest]

Hello. I have created a webpage www.samroyer.com for my business (learned
frontpage in a weekend). Obviously though if you view it in anything other
than IE and even sometime even using IE it is messed up. Can someone help or
am I going to have to drop the ameuter act and pay someone to do it? Thank
you

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

Tis because you're using WordArt...essentially don't use anything from the
Drawing tools. They're VML and will work only in IE5+, other browsers may
display a gray box, items out of place or downlevel gifs instead of what you
intend.

Lookin' good though!


| Hello. I have created a webpage www.samroyer.com for my business (learned
| frontpage in a weekend). Obviously though if you view it in anything
other
| than IE and even sometime even using IE it is messed up. Can someone help
or
| am I going to have to drop the ameuter act and pay someone to do it?
Thank
| you

 

[Guest]

Rob,

Hello. Thank you for your reply. Are you saying word art is the only
reason this is happening? If I view it using Mozilla it looks really bad
(and I don't think it is just from the word art). I have read something
about not using layers but I have no clue how else to do it.

 

[Bob]

When viewed in IE it is OK... Kind of.
Looking at it in Fox Fire it is all out of alignment.

This is because IE & Fox Fire calculate positions a little differently.
Since you have a lot of absolute positioned "Layers" they seam to not line
up in one or the other.

---Reposting from another post "Layers are Bad"

Layers are bad because they are absolutely positioned. As such, they have
several "undesirable" characteristics (particularly for those who do not
understand HTML and CSS/positioning):

1. A layer floats over (in the z-direction, i.e., vertically out of the
page) other page content. Thus it can mask mouse events on that other page
content - this is what is responsible for Electric Lady K's problem with the
non-functional link underneath one.
2. Because a layer floats over other page content, it cannot interact with
that other page content - thus when the text content in a layer is resized
in the browser, causing the layer to expand vertically, the text will start
to overlap the other page content, leading to an unusable mess in the
browser.
3. Because a layer is absolutely positioned, it stays fixed on the screen
while other content which may be within a percent sized container is free to
move around. Unless you are familiar enough with CSS to know how to
accommodate this flexibility, you will probably post a question here called
"Why are my layers moving?". Then everyone can post replies telling you
that layers don't move....
4. Because a layer is absolutely positioned, if it is contained within a
flexible container, if the container flexes, the layer will flex with it,
perhaps causing images within that layer to overlap other underlying page
content. There was another post on the forum just this morning with exactly
that problem.

Layers are very seductive because they are easy to place on the page. This
ease of placement extracts a VERY heavy price in terms of page usability and
functionality. It's best to not use them at all until you understand enough
HTML and CSS to manage the page without layers. Most experienced developers
use absolute positioned elements quite sparingly if at all....

Murray MVP

bob
| Hello. I have created a webpage www.samroyer.com for my business (learned
| FrontPage in a weekend). Obviously though if you view it in anything
other
| than IE and even sometime even using IE it is messed up. Can someone help
or
| am I going to have to drop the ammeter act and pay someone to do it?
Thank
| you

 

[Guest]

Thanks Bob. I guess I need to have someone possibly look into doing this
professionally for me. It is easy to use because I can change it myself when
need be... Can an experienced web developer make this site a useable site
for all browsers or am I looking at a huge cost?

Thanks for the information to all. This forum is great.

 

[Bob]

If you did that layout then I think you could fix it with a little help.

Starting out the use of tables is the best.

Here is a link for some training take note that there are 4 lessons just on
tables.
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/training/CR061832701033.aspx

bob
| Thanks Bob. I guess I need to have someone possibly look into doing this
| professionally for me. It is easy to use because I can change it myself
when
| need be... Can an experienced web developer make this site a useable site
| for all browsers or am I looking at a huge cost?
|
| Thanks for the information to all. This forum is great.
|
| "Bob" wrote:
|
| > When viewed in IE it is OK... Kind of.
| > Looking at it in Fox Fire it is all out of alignment.
| >
| > This is because IE & Fox Fire calculate positions a little differently.
| > Since you have a lot of absolute positioned "Layers" they seam to not
line
| > up in one or the other.
| >
| > ---Reposting from another post "Layers are Bad"
| >
| > Layers are bad because they are absolutely positioned. As such, they
have
| > several "undesirable" characteristics (particularly for those who do not
| > understand HTML and CSS/positioning):
| >
| > 1. A layer floats over (in the z-direction, i.e., vertically out of the
| > page) other page content. Thus it can mask mouse events on that other
page
| > content - this is what is responsible for Electric Lady K's problem with
the
| > non-functional link underneath one.
| > 2. Because a layer floats over other page content, it cannot interact
with
| > that other page content - thus when the text content in a layer is
resized
| > in the browser, causing the layer to expand vertically, the text will
start
| > to overlap the other page content, leading to an unusable mess in the
| > browser.
| > 3. Because a layer is absolutely positioned, it stays fixed on the
screen
| > while other content which may be within a percent sized container is
free to
| > move around. Unless you are familiar enough with CSS to know how to
| > accommodate this flexibility, you will probably post a question here
called
| > "Why are my layers moving?". Then everyone can post replies telling you
| > that layers don't move....
| > 4. Because a layer is absolutely positioned, if it is contained within
a
| > flexible container, if the container flexes, the layer will flex with
it,
| > perhaps causing images within that layer to overlap other underlying
page
| > content. There was another post on the forum just this morning with
exactly
| > that problem.
| >
| > Layers are very seductive because they are easy to place on the page.
This
| > ease of placement extracts a VERY heavy price in terms of page usability
and
| > functionality. It's best to not use them at all until you understand
enough
| > HTML and CSS to manage the page without layers. Most experienced
developers
| > use absolute positioned elements quite sparingly if at all....
| >
| > Murray MVP
| >
| > bob
message
| > | > | Hello. I have created a webpage www.samroyer.com for my business
(learned
| > | FrontPage in a weekend). Obviously though if you view it in anything
| > other
| > | than IE and even sometime even using IE it is messed up. Can someone
help
| > or
| > | am I going to have to drop the ammeter act and pay someone to do it?
| > Thank
| > | you
| >
| >
| >
| >

 

[sheetrum]

If you really want to use WordArt, search for a little program called
"Irfanview"

You can use this program to copy a webpage/window to the clipboard and crop
to get your WordArt image, save it as a ".gif" file and import it into your
web.

When you get the knack of this, it really isn't that hard to do, especially
after I saw what you have already done!

 

[Bob]

Here is a quick sample using tables to control the layout...
I did not put in the word art... But this will give you an Idea.
http://www.xmas-i-am.com/table.htm

bob
| Thanks Bob. I guess I need to have someone possibly look into doing this
| professionally for me. It is easy to use because I can change it myself
when
| need be... Can an experienced web developer make this site a useable site
| for all browsers or am I looking at a huge cost?
|
| Thanks for the information to all. This forum is great.
|
| "Bob" wrote:
|
| > When viewed in IE it is OK... Kind of.
| > Looking at it in Fox Fire it is all out of alignment.
| >
| > This is because IE & Fox Fire calculate positions a little differently.
| > Since you have a lot of absolute positioned "Layers" they seam to not
line
| > up in one or the other.
| >
| > ---Reposting from another post "Layers are Bad"
| >
| > Layers are bad because they are absolutely positioned. As such, they
have
| > several "undesirable" characteristics (particularly for those who do not
| > understand HTML and CSS/positioning):
| >
| > 1. A layer floats over (in the z-direction, i.e., vertically out of the
| > page) other page content. Thus it can mask mouse events on that other
page
| > content - this is what is responsible for Electric Lady K's problem with
the
| > non-functional link underneath one.
| > 2. Because a layer floats over other page content, it cannot interact
with
| > that other page content - thus when the text content in a layer is
resized
| > in the browser, causing the layer to expand vertically, the text will
start
| > to overlap the other page content, leading to an unusable mess in the
| > browser.
| > 3. Because a layer is absolutely positioned, it stays fixed on the
screen
| > while other content which may be within a percent sized container is
free to
| > move around. Unless you are familiar enough with CSS to know how to
| > accommodate this flexibility, you will probably post a question here
called
| > "Why are my layers moving?". Then everyone can post replies telling you
| > that layers don't move....
| > 4. Because a layer is absolutely positioned, if it is contained within
a
| > flexible container, if the container flexes, the layer will flex with
it,
| > perhaps causing images within that layer to overlap other underlying
page
| > content. There was another post on the forum just this morning with
exactly
| > that problem.
| >
| > Layers are very seductive because they are easy to place on the page.
This
| > ease of placement extracts a VERY heavy price in terms of page usability
and
| > functionality. It's best to not use them at all until you understand
enough
| > HTML and CSS to manage the page without layers. Most experienced
developers
| > use absolute positioned elements quite sparingly if at all....
| >
| > Murray MVP
| >
| > bob
message
| > | > | Hello. I have created a webpage www.samroyer.com for my business
(learned
| > | FrontPage in a weekend). Obviously though if you view it in anything
| > other
| > | than IE and even sometime even using IE it is messed up. Can someone
help
| > or
| > | am I going to have to drop the ammeter act and pay someone to do it?
| > Thank
| > | you
| >
| >
| >
| >

 

[E. T. Culling]

don't use absolute positioning and read this great article:
http://www.interlacken.com/winnt/tips/tipshow.aspx?tip=29
Eleanor

 

[Guest]

Bob - Are there specific articles that I should do 1st from that website you
sent me on training? Also, what you did with that temp site for me is great!
Will these training courses show me how to do that and will it look like it
did when I opened it in IE with the other browsers?

I really appreciate all your help (everyone). This site is really awesome
and you all have been great!!!

 

[Bob]

That temp (sample page) will look the same in all browsers.
(I now removed it from the server)
I just wanted to show you that it is not that hard to do that same page
"Look" with tables.

The training site will give you the basics of table layout and I would start
there OR you might want to go through all of them. (Only takes about 12~14
hours) Some of those you might be able to fast forward...
If you are having problems you can always come here to the news group and
ask questions.

Also here are more places to learn:

FrontPage Tutorials, Articles, FAQs, How to's and Tips

http://office.microsoft.com/en-gb/FX010858021033.aspx
http://frontpagemvps.com/
http://www.msfrontpage.net/
http://net-sites.com/sitebuilder/
http://accessfp.net/
http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
http://newbee.hostroute.co.uk/
http://www.webworksite.com/
http://atfrontpage.com/ (UPDATE LINK)
http://frontpage-tips.com/
http://home.att.net/~codelibrary/FrontPage/
http://www.data-insite.co.uk/devnews/fpexamples.asp
http://sbrenjoy.bizland.com/frontpage/resources.htm
http://frontpageforms.com
http://www.webworkshop.org/frontpage/
http://www.actden.com/
http://www.frontpagewiz.com/

The resources are almost endless.

bob
| Bob - Are there specific articles that I should do 1st from that website
you
| sent me on training? Also, what you did with that temp site for me is
great!
| Will these training courses show me how to do that and will it look like
it
| did when I opened it in IE with the other browsers?
|
| I really appreciate all your help (everyone). This site is really awesome
| and you all have been great!!!
|
| "E. T. Culling" wrote:
|
| > don't use absolute positioning and read this great article:
| > http://www.interlacken.com/winnt/tips/tipshow.aspx?tip=29
| > Eleanor
message
| > | > > Hello. I have created a webpage www.samroyer.com for my business
(learned
| > > frontpage in a weekend). Obviously though if you view it in anything
| > > other
| > > than IE and even sometime even using IE it is messed up. Can someone
help
| > > or
| > > am I going to have to drop the ameuter act and pay someone to do it?
| > > Thank
| > > you
| >
| >
| >

 

[Guest]

Bob,

Thanks again. Do you think you could put that page back up so I can see it
again? I want to have a model to work from.

Sam

 

[Bob]

When viewing in IE you can use the Edit button to bring the page into
FrontPage in your computer and then save it in a folder somewhere. (desk top
or where ever you want) If you get a logon box just hit "Cancel" and then
it should work.
The links will not be right... The link to the page should work now...

bob
| Bob,
|
| Thanks again. Do you think you could put that page back up so I can see
it
| again? I want to have a model to work from.
|
| Sam
|
| "Bob" wrote:
|
| > That temp (sample page) will look the same in all browsers.
| > (I now removed it from the server)
| > I just wanted to show you that it is not that hard to do that same page
| > "Look" with tables.
| >
| > The training site will give you the basics of table layout and I would
start
| > there OR you might want to go through all of them. (Only takes about
12~14
| > hours) Some of those you might be able to fast forward...
| > If you are having problems you can always come here to the news group
and
| > ask questions.
| >
| > Also here are more places to learn:
| >
| > FrontPage Tutorials, Articles, FAQs, How to's and Tips
| >
| > http://office.microsoft.com/en-gb/FX010858021033.aspx
| > http://frontpagemvps.com/
| > http://www.msfrontpage.net/
| > http://net-sites.com/sitebuilder/
| > http://accessfp.net/
| > http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
| > http://newbee.hostroute.co.uk/
| > http://www.webworksite.com/
| > http://atfrontpage.com/ (UPDATE LINK)
| > http://frontpage-tips.com/
| > http://home.att.net/~codelibrary/FrontPage/
| > http://www.data-insite.co.uk/devnews/fpexamples.asp
| > http://sbrenjoy.bizland.com/frontpage/resources.htm
| > http://frontpageforms.com
| > http://www.webworkshop.org/frontpage/
| > http://www.actden.com/
| > http://www.frontpagewiz.com/
| >
| > The resources are almost endless.
| >
| > bob
message
| > | > | Bob - Are there specific articles that I should do 1st from that
website
| > you
| > | sent me on training? Also, what you did with that temp site for me is
| > great!
| > | Will these training courses show me how to do that and will it look
like
| > it
| > | did when I opened it in IE with the other browsers?
| > |
| > | I really appreciate all your help (everyone). This site is really
awesome
| > | and you all have been great!!!
| > |
| > | "E. T. Culling" wrote:
| > |
| > | > don't use absolute positioning and read this great article:
| > | > http://www.interlacken.com/winnt/tips/tipshow.aspx?tip=29
| > | > Eleanor
| > message
| > | > | > | > > Hello. I have created a webpage www.samroyer.com for my business
| > (learned
| > | > > frontpage in a weekend). Obviously though if you view it in
anything
| > | > > other
| > | > > than IE and even sometime even using IE it is messed up. Can
someone
| > help
| > | > > or
| > | > > am I going to have to drop the ameuter act and pay someone to do
it?
| > | > > Thank
| > | > > you
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
| >

 

[Guest]

Thanks Bob.

When viewing in IE you can use the Edit button to bring the page into
FrontPage in your computer and then save it in a folder somewhere. (desk top
or where ever you want) If you get a logon box just hit "Cancel" and then
it should work.
The links will not be right... The link to the page should work now...

bob
| Bob,
|
| Thanks again. Do you think you could put that page back up so I can see
it
| again? I want to have a model to work from.
|
| Sam
|
| "Bob" wrote:
|
| > That temp (sample page) will look the same in all browsers.
| > (I now removed it from the server)
| > I just wanted to show you that it is not that hard to do that same page
| > "Look" with tables.
| >
| > The training site will give you the basics of table layout and I would
start
| > there OR you might want to go through all of them. (Only takes about
12~14
| > hours) Some of those you might be able to fast forward...
| > If you are having problems you can always come here to the news group
and
| > ask questions.
| >
| > Also here are more places to learn:
| >
| > FrontPage Tutorials, Articles, FAQs, How to's and Tips
| >
| > http://office.microsoft.com/en-gb/FX010858021033.aspx
| > http://frontpagemvps.com/
| > http://www.msfrontpage.net/
| > http://net-sites.com/sitebuilder/
| > http://accessfp.net/
| > http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
| > http://newbee.hostroute.co.uk/
| > http://www.webworksite.com/
| > http://atfrontpage.com/ (UPDATE LINK)
| > http://frontpage-tips.com/
| > http://home.att.net/~codelibrary/FrontPage/
| > http://www.data-insite.co.uk/devnews/fpexamples.asp
| > http://sbrenjoy.bizland.com/frontpage/resources.htm
| > http://frontpageforms.com
| > http://www.webworkshop.org/frontpage/
| > http://www.actden.com/
| > http://www.frontpagewiz.com/
| >
| > The resources are almost endless.
| >
| > bob
message
| > | > | Bob - Are there specific articles that I should do 1st from that
website
| > you
| > | sent me on training? Also, what you did with that temp site for me is
| > great!
| > | Will these training courses show me how to do that and will it look
like
| > it
| > | did when I opened it in IE with the other browsers?
| > |
| > | I really appreciate all your help (everyone). This site is really
awesome
| > | and you all have been great!!!
| > |
| > | "E. T. Culling" wrote:
| > |
| > | > don't use absolute positioning and read this great article:
| > | > http://www.interlacken.com/winnt/tips/tipshow.aspx?tip=29
| > | > Eleanor
| > message
| > | > | > | > > Hello. I have created a webpage www.samroyer.com for my business
| > (learned
| > | > > frontpage in a weekend). Obviously though if you view it in
anything
| > | > > other
| > | > > than IE and even sometime even using IE it is messed up. Can
someone
| > help
| > | > > or
| > | > > am I going to have to drop the ameuter act and pay someone to do
it?
| > | > > Thank
| > | > > you
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
| >

 

[Bob]

Your Welcome

bob
| Thanks Bob.
|
| "Bob" wrote:
|
| > When viewing in IE you can use the Edit button to bring the page into
| > FrontPage in your computer and then save it in a folder somewhere. (desk
top
| > or where ever you want) If you get a logon box just hit "Cancel" and
then
| > it should work.
| > The links will not be right... The link to the page should work now...
| >
| > bob
message
| > | > | Bob,
| > |
| > | Thanks again. Do you think you could put that page back up so I can
see
| > it
| > | again? I want to have a model to work from.
| > |
| > | Sam
| > |
| > | "Bob" wrote:
| > |
| > | > That temp (sample page) will look the same in all browsers.
| > | > (I now removed it from the server)
| > | > I just wanted to show you that it is not that hard to do that same
page
| > | > "Look" with tables.
| > | >
| > | > The training site will give you the basics of table layout and I
would
| > start
| > | > there OR you might want to go through all of them. (Only takes about
| > 12~14
| > | > hours) Some of those you might be able to fast forward...
| > | > If you are having problems you can always come here to the news
group
| > and
| > | > ask questions.
| > | >
| > | > Also here are more places to learn:
| > | >
| > | > FrontPage Tutorials, Articles, FAQs, How to's and Tips
| > | >
| > | > http://office.microsoft.com/en-gb/FX010858021033.aspx
| > | > http://frontpagemvps.com/
| > | > http://www.msfrontpage.net/
| > | > http://net-sites.com/sitebuilder/
| > | > http://accessfp.net/
| > | > http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
| > | > http://newbee.hostroute.co.uk/
| > | > http://www.webworksite.com/
| > | > http://atfrontpage.com/ (UPDATE LINK)
| > | > http://frontpage-tips.com/
| > | > http://home.att.net/~codelibrary/FrontPage/
| > | > http://www.data-insite.co.uk/devnews/fpexamples.asp
| > | > http://sbrenjoy.bizland.com/frontpage/resources.htm
| > | > http://frontpageforms.com
| > | > http://www.webworkshop.org/frontpage/
| > | > http://www.actden.com/
| > | > http://www.frontpagewiz.com/
| > | >
| > | > The resources are almost endless.
| > | >
| > | > bob
| > message
| > | > | > | > | Bob - Are there specific articles that I should do 1st from that
| > website
| > | > you
| > | > | sent me on training? Also, what you did with that temp site for
me is
| > | > great!
| > | > | Will these training courses show me how to do that and will it
look
| > like
| > | > it
| > | > | did when I opened it in IE with the other browsers?
| > | > |
| > | > | I really appreciate all your help (everyone). This site is really
| > awesome
| > | > | and you all have been great!!!
| > | > |
| > | > | "E. T. Culling" wrote:
| > | > |
| > | > | > don't use absolute positioning and read this great article:
| > | > | > http://www.interlacken.com/winnt/tips/tipshow.aspx?tip=29
| > | > | > Eleanor
in
| > | > message
| > | > | > | > | > | > > Hello. I have created a webpage www.samroyer.com for my
business
| > | > (learned
| > | > | > > frontpage in a weekend). Obviously though if you view it in
| > anything
| > | > | > > other
| > | > | > > than IE and even sometime even using IE it is messed up. Can
| > someone
| > | > help
| > | > | > > or
| > | > | > > am I going to have to drop the ameuter act and pay someone to
do
| > it?
| > | > | > > Thank
| > | > | > > you
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
| >