Phone line sharing

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PA20Pilot

Hi,

I'm looking into giving up my second phone line here at home and would
like to learn an easy/inexpensive way to accomplish it. I'm not sure if
I can use software that allows the phone to interrupt the internet
connection, or if I need a piece of hardware like shown at
http://www.catchacallonline.com/catchacall-internet-call-waiting-manager.html

I'm running a single computer, not networked or anything like that.
Might any of you be using something that you would suggest I look into?

Thanks!


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Jim Self
AVIATION ANIMATION, the internet's largest depository.
http://avanimation.avsupport.com

Your only internet source for spiral staircase plans.
http://jself.com/stair/Stair.htm

Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA) #140897
Technical Counselor #4562
 
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peter

With the money your saving by discontinuing that 2nd phone line you should
be able to afford DSL or Cable Broadband.
Quicker..................only one line needed...no line needed if
cable............just a network card....which cost about as much as that
thing

peter
 
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PA20Pilot

Hi Peter,

I'm so far out in the boonies the only option I have for faster hookup
is satelite, and it's not cost effective. The best I ever hook up at is
26.4, and that's a good day.

Thanks Peter!


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Jim Self

AVIATION ANIMATION, the internet's largest depository.
http://avanimation.avsupport.com

Your only internet source for spiral staircase plans.
http://jself.com/stair/Stair.htm

Experimental Aircraft Association #140897
EAA Technical Counselor #4562
 
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Vanguard

PA20Pilot said:
Hi,

I'm looking into giving up my second phone line here at home and would
like to learn an easy/inexpensive way to accomplish it. I'm not sure if I
can use software that allows the phone to interrupt the internet
connection, or if I need a piece of hardware like shown at
http://www.catchacallonline.com/catchacall-internet-call-waiting-manager.html

I'm running a single computer, not networked or anything like that. Might
any of you be using something that you would suggest I look into?

Thanks!


---==X={}=X==---

Jim Self
AVIATION ANIMATION, the internet's largest depository.
http://avanimation.avsupport.com

Your only internet source for spiral staircase plans.
http://jself.com/stair/Stair.htm

Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA) #140897
Technical Counselor #4562


You don't mention a budget. If you want to go really cheap, you could add
forward-on-busy to your telephone service. If you have another phone, this
works. If you have a cell phone, forward incoming calls to it. If you have
a work phone with voicemail, forward to it and then periodically call in to
check for new messages (or get them when you next go back into work).

There is usually a one-time setup fee to get the service added by your telco
(it cost me $6). Thereafter it cost 60 cents per month. You have to tell
the telco to which number you want incoming calls forward when your line is
busy. This is NOT the same as call forwarding which is much pricier.
Unlike call forwarding where you can change the forward number at any time,
forward-on-busy requires you call your telco to have them update their
database. If you are on the line (for dial-up access to the Internet) when
someone calls in, they are automatically forwarded to the other number.

Callwave used to have a free version of their service. You would use
forward-on-busy and callers would get forwarded to Callwave's answering
service where callers could leave a message of up to 1 minute long.
Software that ran on your computer would check Callwave's service when you
were connected (which is why the line was busy) to tell you if you had
incoming calls. You could then choose to disconnect your dial-up session
and pickup the phone or let it take a message. The free version, when they
had it, was bannerware (ads would show up in their program's window) and it
forced itself on top of other windows (would could lead to flashing between
it and another program wanting always on top, like when setting Task Manager
to always be on top). 1 minute was a bit short and, as I recall, you didn't
get to record your own outgoing message for callers to hear.

Callwave isn't free anymore ($3.95/month), and there are other similar
services, like BuzMe ($3.99/month, or $14.99/yr just for the notification
service). When Callwave discontinued their free service, I simply called
the telco to change the number to my work phone which has voicemail where
callers could leave a message. My telco has a similar service but is much
more pricey ($7.95/mo), so I just used their dirt cheap forward-on-busy
service, was using Callwave until they discontinued the free accounts, moved
to BuzMe, and dropped that when I got broadband cable access.

Callwave also has their fax service but, alas, they also dropped their free
accounts. So I went to eFax where *receiving* faxes is free. I have a fax
modem so I'll use it for sending faxes (I send maybe 6 faxes per year, and
that's being very generous in the estimate) but I don't want to waste the
memory to have it monitor and pickup calls on my phone line, nor did I want
the expense of a dedicated phone line just for faxes. Faxes sent to my eFax
number are sent to me via e-mail which gives me a lot more flexibility. So
I send using my own fax modem and I receive at a free eFax number that
e-mails me the fax. Unfortunately, eFax uses their own proprietary file
format which requires installing their highly bloated software. I threw
part in about faxes just in case you want a way of receiving faxes without
having to tie up or use your phone line.
 
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Richard Urban

High speed DSL ??

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
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V Green

Richard:

You really should read previous posts
in a particular post before shooting
yourself in the foot like this...
 
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Richard Urban

I answer the main post, and then go back after a while to see if there is a
response. The main post says nothing about not being able to get DSL or
cable. If a person wants good help, the first time - he has to post ALL the
details.

Some threads have dozens of replys. I haven't got time to read them all to
see where others have been able to extract further information from a person
who posted poorly to begin with!

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
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V Green

Pretty arrogant attitude.

Do you conduct face-to-face conversations
the same way?

If you don't have the time to read all the posts
to make sure your response is relevant, then don't reply.
 
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Richard Urban

Thanks for you comment. I will file it !

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
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PA20Pilot

Thanks Vanguard!

You've given me a lot more to look into. I didn't know the phone company
offered any services worth looking into. Since my online time is mostly
early in the morning and late at night I'm sure I can come up with
something that's unobtrusive.


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Jim Self

AVIATION ANIMATION, the internet's largest depository.
http://avanimation.avsupport.com

Your only internet source for spiral staircase plans.
http://jself.com/stair/Stair.htm

Experimental Aircraft Association #140897
EAA Technical Counselor #4562
 
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PA20Pilot

Hi Richard,

.........The main post says nothing about not being able to get DSL or
cable.

Thanks for taking the time to offer a suggestion, I do appreciate it
although as you've seen, my options are limited.


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Jim Self

AVIATION ANIMATION, the internet's largest depository.
http://avanimation.avsupport.com

Your only internet source for spiral staircase plans.
http://jself.com/stair/Stair.htm

Experimental Aircraft Association #140897
EAA Technical Counselor #4562
 
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Vanguard

V Green said:
Pretty arrogant attitude.

Do you conduct face-to-face conversations
the same way?

Actually that is exactly how YOU and everyone else would conduct
face-to-face conversations when there are large number of people in the room
with whom you will be having those face-to-face conversations. You talking
to all of them at once is not a conversation but an oration. You would have
to walk up to person A, have your face-to-face conversation, move to person
B and have another, then on to person C, and so on. While you were talking
to person B, then person C, and so on, someone else has been talking to
person A while you were busy with the other persons.

I do NOT configure my NNTP client to continually poll for new messages while
I am reading or answering the posts in a particular newsgroup. I select the
newsgroup, the header list get refreshed once, and then I go looking at the
threads to see which ones in which I will participate. Then I move onto the
next subscribed newsgroup. That means any replies that are made since the
last refresh will not be seen by me until my next visit to the newsgroup. I
could be working a long time on resolving one problem before I get to the
next post but in the meantime there have been replies sitting on the server
to those same posts but from other participants. Doesn't matter if I happen
to duplicate a response since it may be worded differently, provide a
different viewpoint, or supply additional information. I don't have the
luxury of the time to go checking that my reply doesn't happen to duplicate
someone else's.

Due to propagation delays, it is always possible that a respondent won't see
posts submitted earlier by other respondents because those replies haven't
yet been propagated to their NNTP server. However, it is unlikely that
Richard couldn't see Pilot's 2nd post since they are using the same NNTP
server and Richard answered 9 hours later, but I have seen synchronization
problems with Microsoft's NNTP servers (where usually selecting a post says
it is no longer on the server but it is on another in their NNTP host farm).
If you don't have the time to read all the posts
to make sure your response is relevant, then don't reply.

In this case, the number of replies and the depth of the subthreads was not
that great. However, your advice would mean that everyone would have to
wander off wasting time delving into all the subthreads, even those that go
off-topic from the OP. Most of those that regularly participate in the
newsgroups to help others don't have the luxury of wasting all that time to
make a reply. We are reviewing LOTS of posts within a newsgroup and are
likely to be visiting dozens of other newsgroups, too!

You have a luxury that is simply not available to others. Not everyone will
waste their time drilling down through all the subthreads. How do YOU know
the NNTP or webnews-for-dummies server wasn't super slow at the time so that
reading all those replies would take in inordinate amount of time? Answer,
move on, help many instead of just a few. I'd rather provide duplicated
help than waste my time figuring out if I was allowed to help at all
according to your rules. Following your rules, Richard and I would have to
waste our time reading every post in every subthread, even those that
diverge into off-topic subthreads - just like this one!

Remember that the OP said that their host was not network which was
obviously a blatant non-truth. Dial-up *is* being networked, but it was a
best guess that the OP was using analog dial-up for an Internet connection
based only on the mention of losing a telephone line that was dedicated for
that purpose.
 

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