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[Frank]

I can read you like a book. You've very transparent. You come waltzing
in here bragging about some marketing company you're support to run,
then nearly every post you make you add a snort or smirk or some other
childish remark, then call others liars or drunks. Doesn't sound like
you're much of a business owner to me... or anybody else if you can't
keep you cool and the only skill you seem to have is endless boasting
and pretending to be some expert on computers after you admit it took
you half a year to get up to speed.

Like I said, this "issue" really irritates your stupid as* doesn't it!
All you do is make snide & insulting remarks about MS, Vista, MVP's and
anyone or anything else you don't like, understand, or agree with.
You dish it out to everyone yet whine like a little baby when someone
else gives it back to you.
What in the world are you so afraid or jealous of, huh?
Grow the fu*k up!
Frank

 

[Adam Albright]

Like I said, this "issue" really irritates your stupid as* doesn't it!
All you do is make snide & insulting remarks about MS, Vista, MVP's and
anyone or anything else you don't like, understand, or agree with.
You dish it out to everyone yet whine like a little baby when someone
else gives it back to you.
What in the world are you so afraid or jealous of, huh?
Grow the fu*k up!
Frank

Further confirmation little Frankie is full of himself...as usual.

 

[The Old Bloke]

No I won't. If you really were a system administrator you would realise
how stupid it is to download an unknown zip file and run whatever is
inside of it.

Oh my goodness. There are safe ways to look into a zip file. Surely you
know how.

Here is the readme file

TakeOwn.reg adds a Take Ownership Context Menu Item to all files and
folders.
It opens an Elevated Command Prompt which recovers full access to the
selected file /
directory, sub directories and their content.
You can access the Context Menu Item by holding down Shift + right-click on
a file or folder.
If you want to access the Take Ownership Context Menu Item on an exe file,
you must merge
"RunAsAdmin_Exe-.reg"; this reg file removes the "Run as Administrator"
Context Menu Item
from all exe files (they both use the runas key).
Merge "RunAsAdmin_Exe+.reg" if you want to restore the "Run as
Administrator" Context Menu Item.

Install: Merge TakeOwn+.reg
Uninstall Merge TakeOwn-.reg

=====================

And here is one of the .reg files

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

;Take Ownership Context Menu Item (for Windows Vista) by Herby -
herby.virtualplastic.net

;This reg file adds a Take Ownership Context Menu Item to all files and
folders.
;It recovers full access to the selected file / directory, sub directories
and their content.
;You can access the Context Menu Item by holding down Shift + right-click on
a file or folder.

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\runas]
@="Take Ownership"
"Extended"=""
"NoWorkingDirectory"=""

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\runas\command]
@="cmd.exe /c takeown /f \"%1\" && icacls \"%1\" /grant administrators:F"
"IsolatedCommand"="cmd.exe /c takeown /f \"%1\" && icacls \"%1\" /grant
administrators:F"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\runas]
@="Take Ownership"
"Extended"=""
"NoWorkingDirectory"=""

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\runas\command]
@="cmd.exe /c takeown /f \"%1\" /r /d y && icacls \"%1\" /grant
administrators:F /t"
"IsolatedCommand"="cmd.exe /c takeown /f \"%1\" /r /d y && icacls \"%1\"
/grant administrators:F /t"

==============================

It's not hard Kerry.

 

[Kerry Brown]

It's not hard Kerry.

Of course it's not hard if you have the knowledge. That wasn't my point. My
point was the vast majority of people reading this newsgroup have no idea
what a .reg file is let alone can figure out what it does. This hack could
seriously compromise the built in security in Vista. This may be fine for
someone who knows what they are doing. Most people don't have this level of
skill. When this hack breaks something they will have no idea what caused
the problem or how to fix it. My main concern in even answering your post
was to point out to people finding your post by a search engine that there
may be unforeseen consequences in following your, in my opinion, very poor
advice.

 

[The Old Bloke]

Of course it's not hard if you have the knowledge. That wasn't my point.
My point was the vast majority of people reading this newsgroup have no
idea what a .reg file is let alone can figure out what it does. This hack
could seriously compromise the built in security in Vista. This may be
fine for someone who knows what they are doing. Most people don't have
this level of skill. When this hack breaks something they will have no
idea what caused the problem or how to fix it. My main concern in even
answering your post was to point out to people finding your post by a
search engine that there may be unforeseen consequences in following your,
in my opinion, very poor advice.

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. I did check the .zip thoroughly before I
posted it. It is safe, I challenge you to find anything sinister in it.
I wish you luck in keeping this NG to the lowest common denominator. That
is not the way I work

First you asked me what was in the file. I told you to look. You told me
it was too dangerous. So I told you what was in it. Then you say you knew
how to look safely into it. Do you understand the script? You seem to be
oblivious to what your problem is.

That could be your next question to me. I'll answer it in a very colourful
Aussie way lol

If your participation in this thread is well meaning, surely you could have
simply warned all inexperienced people not to use it.

 

[KristleBawl]

I don't think how much you know really matters. It's how much the rest of
the newsgroup readers know.

I'm sure it's safe, too. But that doesn't make it right.

A fairly larger percentage of people looking for help find these newsgroups,
either through the MS website or a search engine, and none of them
understand the potential dangers *in general* of downloading and running
something a stranger posted.

We don't know you, we never worked with you, we only know you as a nickname
and email address. You're asking total strangers to completely trust you.

Asking people to trust your automatic download of an undocumented file sets
a very bad example to the inexperienced users. If they get something that
works once then they will blindly download and run the next homemade file
that they come across.

*That* is how hackers and virus spreaders get away with it, by taking
advantage of the simple fact that experienced and intelligent people like
you just don't see the potential harm to other people that know any better.
All they have to do is pretend to be you and duplicate your file name.

KB

 

[The Old Bloke]

I don't think how much you know really matters. It's how much the rest of
the newsgroup readers know.

I'm sure it's safe, too. But that doesn't make it right.

A fairly larger percentage of people looking for help find these
newsgroups, either through the MS website or a search engine, and none of
them understand the potential dangers *in general* of downloading and
running something a stranger posted.

We don't know you, we never worked with you, we only know you as a
nickname and email address. You're asking total strangers to completely
trust you.

Asking people to trust your automatic download of an undocumented file
sets a very bad example to the inexperienced users. If they get something
that works once then they will blindly download and run the next homemade
file that they come across.

*That* is how hackers and virus spreaders get away with it, by taking
advantage of the simple fact that experienced and intelligent people like
you just don't see the potential harm to other people that know any
better. All they have to do is pretend to be you and duplicate your file
name.

KB

Hi KB, You present an acceptable case. I do know my stuff. Very well. I
asked a question on this NG and was told bluntly that I can't access these
folders in Vista. I was told, "get used to it". Well, I retired 10 years
ago, but it was plain that "restricted" could be accessed. In fact my
software installations get access. This response upset and angered me. So
I studied it. I am sufficently educated to not post venormous code. The
codes impact is very minor. It changes nothing deep down till someone right
clicks in the right place. All this is forgotten on reboot. I did my
homework thoroughly, before I posted.

I am upset with MS. XP and now Vista, use permissons that companies want.
Hence I was hurt by the reponnse to my first posting "Get used to it!" I
could have done it better, Kristle, but I was clear that the posting was not
harmful.

Regards fromk Aus
Doug

 

[Adam Albright]

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. I did check the .zip thoroughly before I
posted it. It is safe, I challenge you to find anything sinister in it.
I wish you luck in keeping this NG to the lowest common denominator. That
is not the way I work

You committed a major sin. All the up tight MVPs not only expect, they
demand everybody's respect and you never, ever challenge anything they
claim (even when they're dead wrong which is frequently the case) or
that causes their shorts to get all bunched up. There is also an army
of clueless fanboys that hang out here represented by morons like
Frank that get off pretending they know absolutely everything there is
to know about Windows while demonstrating they know next to nothing.

To participate in this newsgroups there are a few guidelines:

1. Obtain a prayer rug and a 8 x 10 glossy photo of Billy Gates.
2. Before posting, kneel on rug, head bowed, facing Redmond
Washington.
3. Softly chant wow, wow, wow, Vista is wonderful.
4. Reporting bugs is frowned on, these are just undocumented features.
5. Repeat the following useless excuses as much as possible:

a. all software has bugs
b. Vista will be "fixed" after SPI is released
c. XP was broke too when it first came out.

Anyone following groups like this quickly discover that MVPs and the
fanboys love to pretend they know more than everybody else. So when
you show them up (and you did) you automatically get added to their
enemy list.

Most anti-virus programs automatically scan the CONTENTS of zip files.
Even if they don't, a zip file is simply a container and no harm comes
from downloading one. Only after you decompress the contents and
actually install what's inside could they then remotely become a risk.
So as usual Kerry is blowing smoke and of course needed to throw in
some reference that oh of course he's smarter than the average poster.
That always makes me chuckle when any MVP implies that and most do,
constantly. The goal of the MVPs and fanboys club IS to dumb down
everybody so THEY can get to act superior. That's their game. I don't
play. I make them look dumb instead.

 

[KristleBawl]

Don't let those turkeys get to you. Some people with far less patience have
been telling everyone to "get used to it because it can't be changed" or to
"switch to" something else. I don't believe in that. When I spend my limited
funds, that take several months to save, I'm going to take the time to get
to know how to use it.

I've picked up some tips and helpful links in these newsgroups many times
over the years. If you can ignore the finger-pointing, name-calling and
other childish nonsense, you'll find it, too. Sometimes I forget to ignore
them, too.

I'm a disabled home user with a lot of free time. You're a "retired Old
Bloke" with more free time than those impatient young clock-punchers with
all the negative replies.

I kept Win98SE very stable and useable for 8 years without needing any of
that fast and expensive gaming or video junk. I'm planning to make my Vista
just as stable,with as few minor issues as possible for the 8 or 9 years.

There is a lot to get use to, but not all of it is "get used to it because
it can't be changed." There are also ways to tweak it, and bugs need to be
fixed, and so on, that haven't even been discovered yet. If you can put up
with the "lowest common denominator", maybe you could be one of those few
independent problem solvers, too. Just pretend you're a teacher and your
students need to have the steps explained to them, and make them do the
actual assignment themselves, or they'll never learn.

KB

 

[Kerry Brown]

Hi KB, You present an acceptable case. I do know my stuff. Very well.
I asked a question on this NG and was told bluntly that I can't access
these folders in Vista. I was told, "get used to it". Well, I retired 10
years ago, but it was plain that "restricted" could be accessed. In fact
my software installations get access. This response upset and angered me.
So I studied it. I am sufficently educated to not post venormous code.
The codes impact is very minor. It changes nothing deep down till someone
right clicks in the right place. All this is forgotten on reboot. I did
my homework thoroughly, before I posted.

I am upset with MS. XP and now Vista, use permissons that companies want.
Hence I was hurt by the reponnse to my first posting "Get used to it!" I
could have done it better, Kristle, but I was clear that the posting was
not harmful.

The fact is if someone ran the .reg file then right clicked on the Windows
folder, Program Files, the compatibility junctions, or the root of the
system drive and changed the permissions they have seriously compromised the
security of their system. If the ACLs on the junctions are changed this may
cause data corruption in the hands of an inexperienced user. For someone
like yourself this may be fine. For the vast majority of computer users it
isn't. The file is not safe for most people. It is creates an advanced tool
that could be useful to a knowledgeable user. In inexperienced hands it
could be dangerous.

 

[cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)]

I did check the .zip thoroughly before I posted it. It is safe

That's not the point.

The point is that if I read a post that has not much descriptive text
and points to a .ZIP, I have no colateral information to assess how
trustworthy the link and target may be.

OTOH, if you point to a page that has the link on it, I have the page
to read and check.

IOW, we're not debating your judgement in assessing the file. The
point of failure is that we have no wway of knowing (even in the least
rigorous sense) that whatever posted the link was "you", or that the
target "you" pointed to was whetever it was claimed to be.

We've had malware posting to newsgroups, and we've had exploits
delivered via .ZIP (so that by the time you poke around in the .ZIP,
it may have already "opened" through such exploits).

Hence, etc.

-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

Trsut me, I won't make a mistake!

 

[Bob Eyster]

Frank & Adam,

Take your personal attacks to email and lets get on with the business at
hand

 

[Guest]

Hi Bob,

Well said, I was about to say more or less the same thing myself.

While I don't like the idea of 'censorship' or even the idea of the presence
of a 'big brother' it seems to me that when postings degenerate into the kind
of personal tit for tat slanging match conducted by Frank and Adam against
each other, that it would be a good idea if Microsoft (or whoever the
'webmasters' of the newsgroup are) would have some 'responsible' people
'observing' the content of postings to 'warn' people about their literary
conduct regarding personal attacks etc like some other forums or 'message
boards' that I have registered with and made use of.

Peace!

Bob

 

[Adam Albright]

Hi Bob,

Well said, I was about to say more or less the same thing myself.

While I don't like the idea of 'censorship' or even the idea of the presence
of a 'big brother' it seems to me that when postings degenerate into the kind
of personal tit for tat slanging match conducted by Frank and Adam against
each other, that it would be a good idea if Microsoft (or whoever the
'webmasters' of the newsgroup are) would have some 'responsible' people
'observing' the content of postings to 'warn' people about their literary
conduct regarding personal attacks etc like some other forums or 'message
boards' that I have registered with and made use of.

You should understand this is a newsgroup regardless how you come upon
it. It isn't a forum, it isn't a list or message board and there are
no webmasters since it isn't web based either and nobody is or could
be "in charge" though many try to act like they are, typically fanboys
and MVPs, the two groups that ironically make the most noise and
engage in the most off topic whining and endless bellyaching about
other posters.

As far as Frank, he's obvious a troll. He routinely gets his ass
kicked because his constant bad conduct calls for it. Anything else
you need cleared up, just ask.

 

[Guest]

Assuming (though I dont like to 'assume' anything for obvious reasons) that
you are correct about the difference between this (and possibly even other)
newsgroup(s) and forums and message boards etc, then I stand corrected, as I
was unaware of there being any material difference. As I thought everybody
who posts has to register and every poster can reply, ask questions and start
new threads as well as search for old ones, then again I could not see why
this newsgroup was any different. But like I said I was unaware of any
difference but now I 'know', I won't be making that mistake again, as I would
only make an ass out of (anyone else not just 'U' and) me! ha ha.

Peace

Bob

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Bob;
Microsoft does occasionally delete inappropriate posts from the
Microsoft newsgroup servers.
Since the Microsoft newsgroup servers are the property and controlled
by Microsoft, they have every right to delete whatever the deem
inappropriate.

Some call it censorship and it may be.
But on privately owned servers, the owner is free to do what they
want.
This applies to every owner, not just Microsoft.
Is it really censorship an owner controlling what is done on the
owners property?

While these newsgroups are not moderated, they are not completely free
with anything goes either.

 

[Adam Albright]

Assuming (though I dont like to 'assume' anything for obvious reasons) that
you are correct about the difference between this (and possibly even other)
newsgroup(s) and forums and message boards etc, then I stand corrected, as I
was unaware of there being any material difference.

The important difference is any newsgroup (except for the handful of
moderated ones) is they are self-regulating in that anybody can decide
on their own which posts to read, respond to or ignore. Ditto for
posters. Heck, if somebody don't like what I'm saying or what somebody
else said, just don't read those posters. Won't bother me in the
least.

Accordingly NOBODY could be or is in charge. So having posted to
groups like these for decades, I resent the always present control
freaks, net cop, nannies and assorted other characters that try to
assume some kind of control which is almost always based on some
agenda. Here, it is obvious a certain element don't like to hear
anything even remotely critical of Vista or Microsoft and try to
restrict that. They even try to pretend this group and others like it
are "owned" and/or controlled by Microsoft which again is baloney. The
irony is all the self-anointed guardians make way more noise than the
people they quickly label trolls or worse.

As I thought everybody
who posts has to register and every poster can reply, ask questions and start
new threads as well as search for old ones, then again I could not see why
this newsgroup was any different. But like I said I was unaware of any
difference but now I 'know', I won't be making that mistake again, as I would
only make an ass out of (anyone else not just 'U' and) me! ha ha.

It's a common mistake. ;-) While often confused with the "Web" and
associated with the "Internet" this is actually USENET, a separate
network which predates both, getting started in late 1979 at Duke
University. Learn more here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

 

[Frank]

Adam Albright wrote:



He routinely gets his ass

kicked because his constant bad conduct calls for it.

 

[Frank]

The important difference is any newsgroup (except for the handful of
moderated ones) is they are self-regulating in that anybody can decide
on their own which posts to read, respond to or ignore. Ditto for
posters. Heck, if somebody don't like what I'm saying or what somebody
else said, just don't read those posters. Won't bother me in the
least.

Accordingly NOBODY could be or is in charge. So having posted to
groups like these for decades, I resent the always present control
freaks, net cop, nannies and assorted other characters that try to
assume some kind of control which is almost always based on some
agenda. Here, it is obvious a certain element don't like to hear
anything even remotely critical of Vista or Microsoft and try to
restrict that. They even try to pretend this group and others like it
are "owned" and/or controlled by Microsoft which again is baloney. The
irony is all the self-anointed guardians make way more noise than the
people they quickly label trolls or worse.




It's a common mistake. ;-) While often confused with the "Web" and
associated with the "Internet" this is actually USENET, a separate
network which predates both, getting started in late 1979 at Duke
University. Learn more here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

Yeah, you tell'em mr lush...lol!
Sober up you loser.
Frank

 

[Adam Albright]

Bob;
Microsoft does occasionally delete inappropriate posts from the
Microsoft newsgroup servers.

Reality check: The majority of people posting here and reading
articles here do NOT access the articles on Microsoft's news servers.
So for anybody to claim they can censor or in any way can or try to
control content is just baloney.

While these newsgroups are not moderated, they are not completely free
with anything goes either.

Sadly most newsgroups that have higher traffic also have control
freaks or net cops that just got it in their heads THEY get to police
the group. That seems to be your hobby. Just once in awhile
contribute something useful instead of your constant whining over
trivial things like that post shouldn't be posted here, post it in a
more appropriate group or your shameless undying defense of Microsoft.
What you do get out of it?